Dorfnutter

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Maybe it's been discussed before, but with the confirmation that the Founder didn't "create" Eternum, how the heck did Nova get access to Ogyia through server access? Ignoring the fact that there are even servers period considering the implication, how would having admin access to said server get you anywhere, especially to a place that doesn't have a link to the implant network?
Could be that Idriel planned it or gave Nova a helping hand when she saw what she was doing, making the latter think that she was the one breaking into Ogygia when it was the former who was actually giving them that small window to redirect themselves into the server.

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No offense, but you already mentioned on the thread about the mod, you don't need to spam it. If you want, use the report button for the mods to put a link on the first page.
Bud, I don't need a lecture and I certainly haven't spammed anything here. That's the first post I made about it since I released the update although there's no need for me to justify any post I make as a site member. No offense.
 

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Could be that Idriel planned it or gave Nova a helping hand when she saw what she was doing, making the latter think that she was the one breaking into Ogygia when it was the former who was actually giving them that small window to redirect themselves into the server.

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I don't hate that theory, but I'm under the impression what Idriel can do is pretty freaking limited by her enslavement. She can only interact with Orion when he bleeds so to speak.
 

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You're perfectly entitled to your own opinion but some of us enjoy various games, including Pale Carnations.

There's great stories and they're not for everyone so let's just hold off on dogpiling one game or another in a thread for ONE game in particular.
 
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Dorfnutter

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Honestly it feels like you are grasping at straws with all the earlier examples, it's like throwing a handful of sand at the beach and saying look how much worse that makes it. There is such a thing as a healthy amount of arrogance which I think Orion was showing up until the end of the last chapter, and even then it was mostly self hype in his own head which easily could change when confronted with the real thing. To put it bluntly until Orion starts showing Axel circa ep 1 levels of arrogance then what he got in the alley is not justified. Hell call it 1/10 the arrogance Axel had in ep 1 and I'd let it slide but Orion was nowhere near that.

On the flip side it almost seems like you want Orion to be a Jedi, that unless he has exactly 0 arrogance pride or cockiness then he is deserving of a bullet to the gut. Should the girls be shot in alleys? Because they show similar or higher levels of arrogance than Orion all the time yet they receive no backlash. Is Orion held to a higher standard because he is the chosen hero? The thing he has known about for all of a day or two? The thing he never set out to be but still accepted when it was basically forced onto him. Should Orion be dropped off a building next time he wins a fight and gets excited? Should he get run over by a truck next time he brags about a certain victory? Should he get drawn and quartered next time he shows even the tiniest amount of pride that he overcame a challenge? So far you have brought up every instance that could ever be called arrogance no matter how tiny and insignificant, instances so small that drops of water thrown at the ocean would be orders of magnitude more impactful.

But you know what I just thought of something fun. Lets assume you are right and that everything you said were unacceptable levels of arrogance. That would then mean that moving forward Orion would never be able to brag, would never be allowed to be cocky, or prideful. It would mean that everything he does moving forward needs to be completely stone faced and without any emotion at all. It means he would only ever get to feel pride when someone else does something cool because everyone else in this universe is allowed to be cocky and arrogant just not Orion. Did he just save hundreds of people from death? The only reaction he would be allowed is "I did nothing the credit goes to everyone else" when everyone else is celebrating he would have to excuse himself because if he starts taking pride in his accomplishments well now that's getting close to arrogance and he might as well put the gun in his own mouth and pull the trigger just to save someone else the time. If he starts getting excited over a fight because it's fun and challenging should he immediately give up and let the other guy kill him because enjoying himself is too arrogant? If he talks down to a bad guy who is clearly weaker than he is and absolutely deserves it should he just surrender now or wait for the inevitable backlash in another alley with another bs scolding later? If he gets into a fight and thinks even for a second that he has a good chance of winning should he immediately be set on fire?

I guarantee you that everything you mentioned as being a bad thing will continue to happen after Orion 'learns his lesson' because I know Cari is only having Orion punished for what he did in the alley and maybe 1 or 2 other things he did in the last chapter. I know this because if you were to remove all those other parts of him you mentioned Orion would no longer have a personality, he would be a blank slate, a piece of wood, he would be a shell of the man named Orion who looks the same but is completely empty inside.



By giving himself a title do you mean the fake name he gave to keep his real identity low key/have fun at the bad guys expense? I'm asking seriously because I don't remember all of the Wagner fight since it was mostly played for laughs and badassery. Also I don't remember Orion being any worse than the girls who were with him, not by a meaningful amount anyways.

I don't know what you mean about the chop chop thing. Did you mean to say when he yelled AT chop chop because he was being goddamn infuriating and not shutting the hell up and letting him talk? If so that makes no sense because he was doing all of that and the only other option he had was to simply walk away and that would have just been rude. If that's not what you meant then I honestly have no idea.

True him thinking he could steamroll Thanatos while walking through the alley WAS arrogant, the bad kind. But it was far too little to justify the backlash he got specially when you consider that was mostly self hype and likely would have disappeared the moment he confronted Thanatos again. I never said Orion wasn't being arrogant, I said that he wasn't being arrogant enough to justify what happened to him. Also I said that entire scene just didn't really make sense, like if the junkies were replaced with proper gang members it would make a lot more sense. You know those junkies would have sold that gun just to get more smack.


You are absolutely right I did say bum, and bums can be muggers just like anyone else. Remember a mugger isn't a type of person like a bum or junkie, a mugger is anyone who demands your goods under the threat of violence so I honestly could have said 'if a nun demands you hand over your money you punch them in the face' and I would also be correct. The key point of what I said was them DEMANDING money not who was doing it.
I think "Doomguide" is more accurate than "Jedi," considering the main responsibility involved (which is freeing the dead from their current state).

Also, the story's been setting him up for that role since day one, right by the time he experiences his first dream. You may not like the idea of him becoming a bit more stoic than his current self, but I don't think that'll be the case at all (nor do I think that's the kind of development Cari would go for). I think he just needs to understand what really is at stake because as it stands he is on a path where he is likely to let his growing unknown power and his wins and his sexual conquests completely get to his head.

So no, I'm not advocating for Orion to change his personality to an overly humbled stoic brute. I'm advocating that he understands the responsibility that Idriel and the dead are placing on his shoulders so he doesn't do anything later on that would compromise that. And also maybe in the process make him come to terms with what he really feels for his harem instead of just skirting around the issue and dealing with the consequences later.

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I think I am a bit late with theories so let me just add mine.
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Idk if anyone already said some of this in the Thread so...
 

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Many theories here about fate of mc, i got two, but all we can do is wait for the next update :
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Gonna put my two cents here, but high chance is it'll be somewhere in between the two.
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Course this is all still just spitballing. No knowing where the winds will blow for sure, but rough estimate regardless

Edit: Slipped my mind when I was curating this but now that I've had my coffee I just realized this would basically be a rehash of one of Dorf's theories at the end of 0.6, kinda funny how it holds more weight now
 
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Dorfnutter

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I don't hate that theory, but I'm under the impression what Idriel can do is pretty freaking limited by her enslavement. She can only interact with Orion when he bleeds so to speak.
She can redirect people who are in the process of porting through servers (as is the case of her redirecting Orion to the Nexus when he was in transit back to the real world after doing the Heist). If she could do that, then she can pretty much do what Nova thought she did do herself.

Also no, she can pretty much interact with Orion in the Nexus and be just as cryptic and annoying as she was in Limbo. No bleeding needed. The only thing she likely can't do is leave the Nexus.

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Anyone else dealing with "fragmented" or "broken" downloads lately?
Had to redownload a lot of files because there was a random "data error" during extracting/unzipping.
And no, extracting a second time doesn't work, requires a fresh download.
 

ArDZer

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I so no how Penny feels. I get DMs like this all the fucking time! :rolleyes:
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It was the whale bit that made me laugh the most though. I don't know why... :unsure:
Must be the outrageousness of it. Poor Penny has some really mentally questionable "gentlemen" going after her affections (that handsy guy from the café competition also sent her messages), but all of them lost their chance (and they didn't even knew about). At least she found a better suitor, and one she fell for hard. :giggle::giggle:
 
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Draugo

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People acting like the fingering is the worst consent problem there is in the story is hilarious.
 

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I know it's a choice given game and all and that your decisions shape the story etc etc

...but what is the more "canon" choice between the vampires and werewolves?

Cause from my POV, after playing both paths, the one that makes the most sense is the Luna one?

Why? Orion basically told either Luna or Penny to go ahead while he tries to sus out whoever the stalker is. Now regardless of the option, Penelope is always standing outside of the building and Luna just recently left the forest and entering the town. So... from a logical standpoint, it would make more sense that the werewolf choice is more canon based on that fact?
 
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