VN Ren'Py Eternum [v0.8.5 Public] [Caribdis]

[xXwankerXx]

Ok bois, ow do y'all think the MC's gonna escape his seemingly inevitable fate after the cliffhanger in this update ?? And daaaamnn, what crawled up Idriel's supernatural ass for to act so bitchy out of the blue ?? She sounds pretty jelly all the other girls got and are getting a piece of the magical D except her, when all she has to do about it is just ask and wait for her turn.

Maybe this was already debated quite a lot or is a simple speculation on my part, but am I the only one who thinks the mysterious, shady Founder is in reality the MC's bio dad or something that'd make for an epic plot twist like that ?? This would explain his 100% compatibility with the implant and why he's considered the hero, MC privileges aside.

I played this game a while ago, and while I was enjoying the story, I snap stopped after Caribdis changed Nancy's hairstyle. I understand girls experiment with fashion, but as I really liked her original looks, the abrupt change really jolted my immersion.

It's understandable. I personally was pretty disappointed he changed Dalia's appearance a few updates back too and considered she was more attractive and cuter in the first few versions than after her 'improved' new look. Can't complain about her famous, fit backside tho. It looks better than ever. Ass to grass, Dalia. Make daddy proud, babygirl.

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They're both absolute trash, as human beings and parents, so it shouldn't really matter anyway.

Hope both of them will die a very slow and painful death while watching their daughter finally making something for herself and ending up happily married with the MC, being parents to at least two lil brats that will never meet their disgusting grandparents.

There's overbearing parents, pretentious parents, trashy, neglectful parents or irresponsible idiots who straight up abandon their kids for 'reasons' that only make sense to them, and then there's Alex's 'wonderful' parents I wouldn't wish my worst enemy had them as his parents. Alex shouldn't waste a tear cuz of those braindead, arrogant cunts anymore. Karma's a vengeful bitch, and she'll come knocking on their front door real soon.

 

[Steuan]

They're both absolute trash, as human beings and parents, so it shouldn't really matter anyway.

Hope both of them will die a very slow and painful death while watching their daughter finally making something for herself and ending up happily married with the MC, being parents to at least two lil brats that will never meet their disgusting grandparents.

There's overbearing parents, pretentious parents, trashy, neglectful parents or irresponsible idiots who straight up abandon their kids for 'reasons' that only make sense to them, and then there's Alex's 'wonderful' parents I wouldn't wish my worst enemy had them as his parents. Alex shouldn't waste a tear cuz of those braindead, arrogant cunts anymore. Karma's a vengeful bitch, and she'll come knocking on their front real soon.

William is an absolute a**hole yeah but why do you hate Priscilla? I think that whole "disowning Alex" situation is 100% Will's plan. I'm not saying Cilla is a perfect mom but why would she want to disown her one and only daughter? It doesn't make any sense. She is just another puppet of Will's like Axel.

 

[ArDZer]

William is an absolute a**hole yeah but why do you hate Priscilla? I think that whole "disowning Alex" situation is 100% Will's plan. I'm not saying Cilla is a perfect mom but why would she want to disown her one and only daughter? It doesn't make any sense. She is just another puppet of Will's like Axel.

Alex herself has said her mother couldn't have care less about her, and she was being squarely blamed of the divorce by Priscilla (even as a little girl Alex was made aware of the behaviour of her parents in that flashback with her grandmother). And I sort of wonder if her "beloved" twin brother might end up sharing the same fate as that Benjamin lapdog, for snooping into Eternum's dark dealings. Baldy Billy won't hesitate for a millisecond if that meant getting rid of his own son. I've heard somewhere of the phrase "Every child deserves a parent, but not every parent deserves a child". Alex really drew a short stick in that regard.

 

[e6mill]

William is an absolute a**hole yeah but why do you hate Priscilla? I think that whole "disowning Alex" situation is 100% Will's plan. I'm not saying Cilla is a perfect mom but why would she want to disown her one and only daughter? It doesn't make any sense. She is just another puppet of Will's like Axel.

Willie says it was her idea. You wouldn't doubt him, right?

 

[Dorfnutter]

And daaaamnn, what crawled up Idriel's supernatural ass for to act so bitchy out of the blue ?? She sounds pretty jelly all the other girls got and are getting a piece of the magical D except her, when all she has to do about it is just ask and wait for her turn.

If you've been trapped in perpetual limbo (heh) for gods know how long and the only person destined to save you and every other dead person trapped with you is instead living his best life and starting to stray far from what he was destined to do...wouldn't you be pissed?

Maybe this was already debated quite a lot or is a simple speculation on my part, but am I the only one who thinks the mysterious, shady Founder is in reality the MC's bio dad or something that'd make for an epic plot twist like that ?? This would explain his 100% compatibility with the implant and why he's considered the hero, MC privileges aside.

It would be a rethread of OIAL if that were the case, and I doubt Cari would want to recycle plot threads when he has the means to write something new (especially since he's establishing a lot of unique stuff like Caly's tale likely integrating itself into the story later on and all the stuff about out of body projections and a higher plane of existence being masqueraded as a high tech VRMMO).

William is an absolute a**hole yeah but why do you hate Priscilla? I think that whole "disowning Alex" situation is 100% Will's plan. I'm not saying Cilla is a perfect mom but why would she want to disown her one and only daughter? It doesn't make any sense. She is just another puppet of Will's like Axel.

A plausible reason would be that since they're undergoing a divorce then she might want to wash her hands on Alex and start anew, remarry herself into another rich family with no baggage. And given that Alex had been nothing but trouble to the family, then all the better that Cilla doesn't end up having to deal with her in the future (as the former getting into trouble might ruin the latter's future prospects or such).

 

[Steuan]

Alex herself has said her mother couldn't have care less about her, and she was being squarely blamed of the divorce by Priscilla (even as a little girl Alex was made aware of the behaviour of her parents in that flashback with her grandmother). And I sort of wonder if her "beloved" twin brother might end up sharing the same fate as that Benjamin lapdog, for snooping into Eternum's dark dealings. Baldy Billy won't hesitate for a millisecond if that meant getting rid of his own son. I've heard somewhere of the phrase "Every child deserves a parent, but not every parent deserves a child". Alex really drew a short stick in that regard.

Maybe... But disowning her child is the most evil thing a mother can do... and I don't think Cilla is that evil. I mean there's actually no reason for Cilla to disown her daughter. Blaming Alex for her divorce shouldn't be that reason.

Will is the evil here and he lied to Alex. He said that it was Cilla's idea. His main goal was to make his daughter hate her mother. Thus, he wants to completely cut off all her ties with the Bardot family.

 

[MagnusTempestus6]

and I don't think Cilla is that evil

Could you elaborate on what behavior in the game makes you think that? Because my impression of her even in scenes without William's presence was the total opposite. Also do not see any reason for William to lie about disowning Alex being her idea. My impression was that she is just that evil. Who else could have been married to William that long and have that staple "family" with that asshole? She never really struck me as a victim of some ploy or circumstance.

 

[xXwankerXx]

I'm not saying Cilla is a perfect mom but why would she want to disown her one and only daughter? It doesn't make any sense. She is just another puppet of Will's like Axel.

Willie says it was her idea. You wouldn't doubt him, right?

Nope, I don't think he'd lie about that. We can all agree the guy is scum beyond any redemption, even his own stupid son is starting to see what an 'amazing' person his dad really is, but I personally suspect that old bitch was forced to accept disowning her own daughter so she could still benefit from Supreme Dickhead William's money, influence and power, a thing that obviously doesn't excuse her choice and still makes her scum too, but Willie takes the cake. This fool is completely insane and wouldn't hesitate to kill even his own damn children for his ambitions. Anyone else suspect this crazy fucker is in reality Thanatos ??

Alex herself has said her mother couldn't have care less about her, and she was being squarely blamed of the divorce by Priscilla

Yep, the old cunt is irredeemable trash too. Fuck her !!

I sort of wonder if her "beloved" twin brother might end up sharing the same fate as that Benjamin lapdog, for snooping into Eternum's dark dealings.

Since the beginning of the story when they first met, Axel acted like an entitled, spoiled lil dickhead abusing his daddy's boy privileges a lot, but he seemed to finally come around and be willing to help the MC expose Ulysses' shady deals and dirty, disturbing secrets. I'd also expect to see him to get offed for this soon, as it's usually the case in action movies, whether it's by Big Baldy Willie himself or some random ass kisser he pays off to deal with him. Kinda sad about this, but everyone has their own role to play in the story.

I've heard somewhere of the phrase "Every child deserves a parent, but not every parent deserves a child". Alex really drew a short stick in that regard.

Lol, poor girl has only drawn short straws her whole life, not just with her stupid parents, but MC's finally giving her the big/long one to enjoy as much as she needs and wants to.

 

[Steuan]

Could you elaborate on what behavior in the game makes you think that? Because my impression of her even in scenes without William's presence was the total opposite. Also do not see any reason for William to lie about disowning Alex being her idea. My impression was that she is just that evil. Who else could have been married to William that long and have that staple "family" with that asshole? She never really struck me as a victim of some ploy or circumstance.

We don't know much about Cilla, yet. IIRC we've seen her just one time in the whole game, and there she was drunk af. Maybe you guys right... Maybe she is pure evil just like Will. But even though she was drunk she didn't say any bad thing about her daughter and Orion. If she was that evil, she would have demolished both of them while they were in Bardot's house.

I think Cilla as an alcoholic old miserable mother. This is the impression I've gotten from her so far. As I said before I think Will lied to Alex about whose idea it was. His main goal is to make his daughter hate her mother. Thus, he wants to completely cut off all Alex's ties with the Bardot family.

 

[MagnusTempestus6]

His main goal is to make his daughter hate her mother. Thus, he wants to completely cut off all Alex's ties with the Bardot family.

That is a good point. Maybe it isn't as bad as I am thinking and Cilla could help against William in the future. And true she was quite drunk that one time. I just got the impression she did spite her daughter for not being obedient and presentable like her. Maybe Alex's disobedience is the root problem of at least some of the quarrels and conflicts between the two parents.
So I am kinda seeing two options here. One is that Cilla could either be more rebellious against William through Alex's behavior and she is more envious of her freedom (which would be more towards your take I guess). Number two (more my take) that she blames Alex for failing to be the way her mother wants to and that Cilla resents her for causing more troubles than she's worth.

But with the import of Alex and William as characters I guess there might be a resolution to that conflict in future updates. Would be too important to leave out. Then we might get enlightened about the mothers roll in the conflict.

 

[Dorfnutter]

We don't know much about Cilla, yet. IIRC we've seen her just one time in the whole game, and there she was drunk af. Maybe you guys right... Maybe she is pure evil just like Will. But even though she was drunk she didn't say any bad thing about her daughter and Orion. If she was that evil, she would have demolished both of them while they were in Bardot's house.

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His main goal is to make his daughter hate her mother. Thus, he wants to completely cut off all Alex's ties with the Bardot family.

Wouldn't surprise me if she's cutting Alex so she can have the apartment to herself so that she could invite a bunch of potential rich husbands to her flat, seduce them, and thus remarry to a rich household AGAIN.

 

[Steuan]

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I still think disowning Alex is not Cilla's idea. I'm not saying she is the mother of the year but she is not that evil in my opinion. Anyways... lets wait and see her role in Alex's journey. Maybe we won't see her again lol

 

[KanyeT]

If you've been trapped in perpetual limbo (heh) for gods know how long and the only person destined to save you and every other dead person trapped with you is instead living his best life and starting to stray far from what he was destined to do...wouldn't you be pissed?

She has only herself to blame for being so cryptic and not just giving him the straight dope.

 

[Dorfnutter]

She has only herself to blame for being so cryptic and not just giving him the straight dope.

It's also possible that her restraints are preventing her from being direct with Orion and giving him the information he needs. Like, she keeps mentioning that he's not asking the right questions. To me, that sounds like she's forbidden from providing any more information other than the broad strokes and that the right question might allow her to provide better information without triggering her restraints.

 

[Opa Wants]

Interesting thought on that one Dorfnutter, I think you may be onto something with that theory.

 

[xXwankerXx]

If you've been trapped in perpetual limbo (heh) for gods know how long and the only person destined to save you and every other dead person trapped with you is instead living his best life and starting to stray far from what he was destined to do...wouldn't you be pissed?

Like anyone else, I'd definitely be, it's a logical sentiment, but I also wouldn't be a massive dick about it. Her being trapped in there and condescendingly pointing out how it's useless to explain that to a mere "mortal" doesn't help her cause, just like randomly appearing completely naked in front of that same "mere mortal" after the moral lesson she gave him doesn't and it only makes it harder for the MC to focus on his mission.

There's a big difference between explaining something to someone, a young 20yo brat, of all ppl, IIRC, whose help you desperately need, and talking down to him like he was an idiot unable to comprehend to seriousness of the shit he found himself into. And the MC does get his dick wet on a few occasions, BUT he doesn't forget what his purpose is in the game and how he needs to help all those NPCs and her escape from that parallel dimension or whatever the fuck it's supposed to be.

A plausible reason would be that since they're undergoing a divorce then she might want to wash her hands on Alex and start anew, remarry herself into another rich family with no baggage. And given that Alex had been nothing but trouble to the family, then all the better that Cilla doesn't end up having to deal with her in the future (as the former getting into trouble might ruin the latter's future prospects or such).

Likely scenario right there. Well said. Trash like that only deserves the worst possible Karma and not an ounce of sympathy.

We don't know much about Cilla, yet. IIRC we've seen her just one time in the whole game, and there she was drunk af. Maybe you guys right... Maybe she is pure evil just like Will. But even though she was drunk she didn't say any bad thing about her daughter and Orion. If she was that evil, she would have demolished both of them while they were in Bardot's house.

Maybe it isn't as bad as I am thinking and Cilla could help against William in the future. And true she was quite drunk that one time. I just got the impression she did spite her daughter for not being obedient and presentable like her. Maybe Alex's disobedience is the root problem of at least some of the quarrels and conflicts between the two parents.

I am kinda seeing two options here. One is that Cilla could either be more rebellious against William through Alex's behavior and she is more envious of her freedom (which would be more towards your take I guess). Number two (more my take) that she blames Alex for failing to be the way her mother wants to and that Cilla resents her for causing more troubles than she's worth.

Lol, the amount of excuses some of you guys are trying to make to justify that cunt's lack of responsibility and not even half-decent parenting making her seem like a good person and mother, when Alex herself and basically a lot of other hints and things specifically stated in the story about her tell you it's the complete opposite of what you think is hilarious.

Is she worse that Baldy Willie ?? We don't know... most likely not, BUT any actual, responsible mother, who respects herself and deserves to be called one, would've taken her and her brother and run off to fuck knows where to get away from that toxic environment filled with rich, arrogant snakes and backstabbing, envious idiots, not stay there for the good life victimizing herself and blaming William and the 'high society' for her mistakes and her being a shitty excuse of a mother decades afterward. THAT is what a real mother would've done, not what that drunk cunt did, who's only interested in the Bardot $$$ and privileges that come with it. As a comparison, just pay attention to Nancy's character, a single mom of two with two other strangers, Annie and the MC, to feed and put a roof over their heads, and this 'misunderstood' amazing human being called Priscilla with two kids of her own.

There's a difference of cosmic proportions between them, where Priscilla is the Andromeda Galaxy and Nancy's our beautiful Milky Way, and science teaches us it's not the Milky Way chasing after Andromed to do some freaky ass galactical Rated R hanky panky, it's the other way around, just like it is in our case.

Ironically, the presumption of innocence doesn't apply in this case, where the exact opposite needs to be proven, and only future updates can do that and either redeem or completely shit on her character.

 

[quorkboy]

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[xXwankerXx]

An alternative to the "gold digger who never cared about her children" explanation for her behaviour: She married young, seduced by a charming man who knew how to hide what he really was. He got her pregnant as soon as possible to have her and her child dependent on him so that leaving him would be difficult. Then he revealed his true personality. Stuck in a horrible situation, Priscilla fell into alcoholism.

Sound logic, according to RL feminists, gold diggers and dumb hoes that have a history of screwing shit up and spreading their legs for 'manly' assholes and abusive idiots, completely wrong assumption, according to actual logic and reality tho.

Let's be honest, some women and self-accountability don't belong in the same sentence. They'll always find someone else to blame for their stupidity, even their own kids, like this dumb bitch does by blaming Alex for her mistakes, and when that doesn't work, they'll blame men in general. That's their usual go-to excuse. Priscilla is a perfect example of a dumb gold digger thinking she won her big meal ticket and already stroke it rich by marrying into money no matter what. Sadly for her, Big Bad Baldy ain't no dumb simp with no self-esteem, which got her fucked literally and figuratively. Can't believe I'm saying this, but this is the only thing I respect his character for.

Blaming him for not forcing himself on her or blackmailing her into having sex with him is absurd. She should've known better, but let's pretend she really was too young, naive and with no life experience to do better... ok, I get that, ppl screw up a lot IRL. What's her excuse for being a shitty, neglectful mother turned into an alcoholic bitch then ?? Let me guess, it's the kids' fault for not being able to take care of themselves without crying and bitching about stuff, not hers, who should've known healthy kids need and deserve unconditional love, support and understanding just as much as they need money to become normal, responsible adults their parents would be proud of.

Look at her face in that scene. She looks sad. Contrast to William, who looks cruel.

Now that Alex is being completely disowned and won't even have the apartment to live in (not that she wanted it) William could be lying about it being her mother's idea, but he could also easily have bullied her mother into backing him, even making her think that it was her idea.

Lol, you grasping for straws here trying to make a point that it's easily debunked by the story. We can pretend all we want she was sooo innocent, sooo naive and sooo abused that she was forced to live the good life as a rich, snobby bitch, but we can't pretend she was even close to deserving to be called a mother, when her own daughter specifically mentions she wasn't one that gave a shit about her and Axel to begin with.

This does not excuse Priscilla leaving the children in the care of nannies while she got drunk. It doesn't excuse her blaming Alex for what happened. If she was the one who suggested disowning Alex (perhaps hoping it would appease William), it also does not excuse that.

But it makes her a damaged woman who was mentally and emotionally crushed by her husband. Someone with potential for redemption, not someone evil like William.

Please tell us again who FORCED her to stay in an evidently abusive relationship without giving a shit about her kids' mental health, and for which reasons ?? Something other than her greed, ambitions and laziness, ofc, cuz I don't think Willie would've given a shit if she asked him for a divorce right after she found out about his constant cheating.

 

[Dorfnutter]

There's a big difference between explaining something to someone, a young 20yo brat, of all ppl, IIRC, whose help you desperately need, and talking down to him like he was an idiot unable to comprehend to seriousness of the shit he found himself into. And the MC does get his dick wet on a few occasions, BUT he doesn't forget what his purpose is in the game and how he needs to help all those NPCs and her escape from that parallel dimension or whatever the fuck it's supposed to be.

I think the implication is that Orion's behavior this patch made Idriel think that he wasn't taking things seriously. Taking things seriously means that he doesn't take risks that would get him killed (i.e. taking the sketchy alley shortcut to the pizza place, escalating the situation with the junkies by talking down on them from a position of arrogance) or establishing trust with his warbandImean harem by coming clean with his feelings for them and making those bonds stronger.

Like, with that mindset of his it's more likely that he ends up thinking that it's his destiny to become ruler of Eternum and consider taking the gems for himself (on the pretext that he would "use them wisely as he rules over the dead") instead of using them for what Idriel and the dead want him to do (that being "breaking the chains" and liberating them, which could likely result in the gems using up all of their power and becoming of no use to anyone).

 

[Redd23]

It's also possible that her restraints are preventing her from being direct with Orion and giving him the information he needs. Like, she keeps mentioning that he's not asking the right questions. To me, that sounds like she's forbidden from providing any more information other than the broad strokes and that the right question might allow her to provide better information without triggering her restraints.

There was a similar arc in a movie "I, robot", where Will Smith was talking with a hologram of a dead scientist - the hologram could hold a normal conversation as long as it was "on the topic", and the purpose of the whole conversation was to guide Will Smith to ask a question that would set his though process in the correct direction.
So while Calypso migth no be able to provide Orion with any knowledge and useful answers, she can confirm once he's onto something, that it's indeed a lead that he should follow, as this would be a "right question".

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