VN Ren'Py Eternum [v0.8.0] [Caribdis]

[HiP1]

...I did.

never saw it. told you I was out of the thread and only came back for this update. you should have just sent it in our private messages

Wdym by explicity? What more do you expect him to say? He just said "ALL THE GIRLS IN HAREM!".

I mean, I know you Calypso haters don't wanna see her in harem, and I can understand that. But you can't change the facts.

Yes, she isn't shown in the main menu with the other harem girls yet. But she'll be there eventually. After the events of EP9, her romance path will be opened. If you don't wanna see her in harem just ignore her, skip her scenes, etc.

and...

You got completely wrong Thanatos and his motivation. He does NOT fear of Caly's magics. He does NOT fear of anything.

He just didn't want to let Orion slip away from him again. Because Caly can open a portal anytime and anywhere she wants. So he used that special chains to not let that happen. But he underestimated Caly, not Orion!

Besides it so obvious that NO ONE can harm Thanatos in any way. Not even Caly. I mean, if the whole team attack him altogether they can't even touch him. He's like a GOD at this point.

Also him being with the Syndicate? You're kidding, right?

Caribdis stays intentionally ambivalent and ambiguous about Calypso's spot in the harem.
in one patreon post, he says implicitly shows her as part of the harem without saying it directly. and in a discord answer, he says she is not really part of it and it's up to the player's opinion. that level of trolling to generate discussion and hype only lets the matter still up in the air, though.

and I'm not a Calypso hater at all. I like her character, her story is interesting, and I'm eager to find out how her backstory will unfold. the evolution of her relationship to MC is also a hot topic, though it's really only crumbs we are getting

Caribdis redid the whole UI, and especially the whole bios screen. He didn't change anything for Calypso. We already know next update will be Calypso's update. so why redo the whole UI and the bios screens if he knew he would have to do it all again for 0.9 ? seems weird if she is to be in the harem

I'm pretty sure, like you, that she will have a full romance path. but her ending might not be compatible with the harem. so, either she will die, or be absorbed, or sacrificed in some way (stuck in limbo?). or she could just feel her duty is with her people and she would have to go back to her realm and not have a life with MC and the girls. Caribdis is not big on that kind of heavy drama, so I wonder if he will pull it off or chicken out midway

No, I'm not kidding. I just threw the most logical idea for now. he said "we". who is "we" ? he is not with the founder. he is not with ulysses or bardot. he is not with MC. he is not with calypso. the next logical guess would be the syndicate. but it could just mean the npcs or the immortals that are not with the founder though we never got any hint that there were any involved with the story.
what's your take on him saying "we" ?

i mean that IS the scarriest thing i can imagine. As far parents in fiction go Nancy is S tier. Most characters either dont have kids or in case of younger characters they dont have parents. Parents are either dead or left etc. Nancy always being there for Dalia and Penny is so wholesome and endearing to read. Now yes granted it gets freaky with her wanting to test the boyfriend material to see if it is up to her standard etc. but its an AVN ofc it will be freaky. that does not take away from how great mother Nancy is. Seriously as far as her character as a parent goes Nancy is some of the best written characters. Forget Orion, its my personal biggest fear to see cari pull of a twist and make Nancy abandon her kids for real. I think not seeing Nancy in the dream and only hearing from the dalia and penny how nancy is out of the picture only adds to experience. Out of all the "fears" showcased in the dream, luna and nancy hit me the hardest.

yeah, she is portrayed as the model mother for sure.
but the fact she doesn't appear in the dream at all is weird. even Penny tried to call and has her interview.
while Nancy and Nova get to have MC in their nightmare in some form or another.
Though Annie doesn't appear in a bad way in MC's nightmare. MC would obviously have some fears about her, so there is no real consistency.
maybe just the fact that he lost complete contact with them is part of his fears?

Thats cool, i think i did not connect those things but yeah true they do spend lot of time together off screen.

and they are both shy while growing in confidence. their common scene should be very interesting.

Also the fact that she went through most of her life without being able to touch people without gloves, i am sure she will get really "handsy" with orion.
Also a cool twist would be if she actually gets vision from orion during sex. like post nut clarity

I also thought about her losing control on her gift like MC did when Alex at the end of her latest sex scene. but it would make MC lose his specialness to her then
but what if it unlocked her visions for herself ? that's something that has been dodged in the story.

When they get transfered into colliseum and Alex loses her leverage she is in shock and asks Orion to stop but he ignores her words because "new pose feels too good".

she doesn't say to stop because she doesn't want to anymore. she says it because she is shocked by the situation and wanted to get a bit of her bearing back.
and MC didn't really push her. it's more chaos and confusion. he asked if she really wanted to stop... she replies like pretty much all the other girls : "but it does feel good". and they carry on.

maybe you just want to see some form of douchebag behavior in the MC and tries to look for it a bit more.
it's text, so we are lacking the voice tone in which it was all said, so a lot of it is just our interpretation.
in the heat of the moment, pretty sure vast majority of guys would ask if she really wants to stop while saying they didn't want to stop themselves. the problematic behavior would come after that if they continue even though she clearly says she wants to stop.

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the discord reply and the patreon post are from around the same time. but the discord reply happens after the patreon post. does it overwrite it then ?
He is just trolling us.
a lot could have changed since then. maybe it'd be worth it to revisit the topic and ask the question again now that 0.9 is in his mind.

- I just saw one person mention Nancy's look at Orion during Nova's confession. It's a shame imo 'cause Nova talks but Nancy tells it with her eyes (amongst other lewd thoughts).
I was kinda disappointed with the threesome overall but this single image just before was clearly the best moment.

Nancy does say it herself afterwards, though.
but that look was indeed intense, just as Nova's words hit home.

- Nancy confirmed boss of the Harem. Such a queen. Can't wait to see her next interactions with the girls.

Well, she is the first one that noticed the feelings of all the girls towards MC, out loud.

- A last random thinking : Do you think that it means something that when you leave the game with the new UI you have an image of the founder for Yes and Idriel for No ?

might just be to keep you in the game universe and immersion for a little bit more.
the game in the game has the same name as our game. so if the founder represents IRL and Idriel represents Eternum. then saying yes means returning to reality, while saying no means staying in Eternum (the VR game) for the player

- I found it weird that Orion just went with Dalia's idea to take her in the same way he took nova especially because he realized by that point already that nova was in real danger so many times and its scary and dumb to take girls this way. The sirens, the gnome, the traps, the kraken... And not even that, its already bad that he takes Dalia to server this way he willingly goes with samir's plan of separating the party even though 1st and biggest rule of dnd adventuring party is "NEVER SPLIT THE PARTY" so maybe i am just harsh meta gaming critic but i really hated how they dont even address the risk of her going alone considering their real bodies are at risk.

yeah can't move on from how dumb that whole set of decisions was. MC knows he is her only way out of the game and he lets her go her separate ways to be sold as a f-ing slave... there was no real reason for them to not try getting in from the market together. Samir even needed his lieutenant for the diversion, and that guy never came. so having Dalia there would have been helpful for the diversion. Samir + Jerry for the diversion, MC + Dalia for infiltration. so if they get caught, MC can just jump back to Earth with her without delay. it reduces the chance for information as Dalia would not get alone with the Sultran. but honestly, what actual bad guy would reveal his current scheme to a random girl that he happens to try to rape ?

Anne - Channels her inner Megumin

that reference is so spot on!

 

[lawquinn4]

When will the Android update be?

 

[cayseron]

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[cayseron]

yeah can't move on from how dumb that whole set of decisions was. MC knows he is her only way out of the game and he lets her go her separate ways to be sold as a f-ing slave... there was real reason for them to not try getting in from the market together. Samir even needed his lieutenant for the diversion, and that guy never came. so having Dalia there would have been helpful for the diversion. Samir + Jerry for the diversion, MC + Dalia for infiltration. so if they get caught, MC can just jump back to Earth with her without delay. it reduces the chance for information as Dalia would not get alone with the Sultran. but honestly, what actual bad guy would reveal his current scheme to a random girl that he happens to try to rape ?

ok in cari's defense, the way eternum works you need to go to exit portal in order to exit so its not like the fact dalia cant exit without orion by her side would change much. or rather what i am trying to say is that the fact she is there in real body and not in her game character would not matter much in that decision making. She would not be able to exit via exit portal just as much as she was not able to exit because she is there with real body. I do agree that your idea is much better than plan we got although samir only learns about lieutenant not coming after dalia is already gone

 

[cayseron]

yeah, she is portrayed as the model mother for sure.
but the fact she doesn't appear in the dream at all is weird. even Penny tried to call and has her interview.
while Nancy and Nova get to have MC in their nightmare in some form or another.
Though Annie doesn't appear in a bad way in MC's nightmare. MC would obviously have some fears about her, so there is no real consistency.
maybe just the fact that he lost complete contact with them is part of his fears?

well thats the thing, no? his biggest fear is that Nancy abandons them. How else are you going to show the fear of abandonment while simultaneously have nancy show up in the dream. I mean i understand that she can be in the dream and they can have argument over why she left etc. but eerie lack of presense showcase the fear of abandonment much more than any dialogue would in my opinion. "show, dont tell". i think showing your biggest fear of losing someone by literally losing said someone and have no clue where they are is great storytelling

 

[cayseron]

oh wow, im watching lucifer for first time and am at season 4 now. i just saw a scene from eternum that is clearly inspired by lucifer lmao

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[HiP1]

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[The.World.According.To.Me]

yeah but if we are bringing the topic to this angle the question is not whether calypso is 1/2 full or 1/2 empty, question is "whats in the damn glass"
glass full of tomato juice is hardly worthy sitting on the top shelf in the 5* hotel bar

Ahhh ! I get it now... Calypso is bottom shelf for you personally then. Argument / discussion over if that's all it is

Tho think the Caly fans are going to come hunting for you after saying she is not top shelf lol.

 

[HiP1]

ok in cari's defense, the way eternum works you need to go to exit portal in order to exit so its not like the fact dalia cant exit without orion by her side would change much. or rather what i am trying to say is that the fact she is there in real body and not in her game character would not matter much in that decision making. She would not be able to exit via exit portal just as much as she was not able to exit because she is there with real body. I do agree that your idea is much better than plan we got although samir only learns about lieutenant not coming after dalia is already gone

but as long as she is close to MC they can leave anytime. that's the point. they don't need any exit portal as long as MC is there. that's a huge advantage for infiltration missions.
though now, we could ask if it would work if MC enters the game using the implant ? would he be able to teleport ?
in Caribdis' defense, as you say, MC has been dumb from the start, so it's one of his traits

well thats the thing, no? his biggest fear is that Nancy abandons them. How else are you going to show the fear of abandonment while simultaneously have nancy show up in the dream. I mean i understand that she can be in the dream and they can have argument over why she left etc. but eerie lack of presense showcase the fear of abandonment much more than any dialogue would in my opinion. "show, dont tell". i think showing your biggest fear of losing someone by literally losing said someone and have no clue where they are is great storytelling

they could just mention that even MC doesn't get new from MC at all, just like Penny worried about not getting news from her. Penny calling MC to get in touch with her mom means there is still a chance MC is in contact.

 

[cayseron]

actually, she doesn't look into MC's mind there. she chose to trust him instead. that was a big moment for them.

hmm i read it as her reading the mind first time and letting him go. then when he asked second time she decides to trust him. i could be wrong and maybe she did not read the mind first time either but i know there is two instances Orion asks for mind reading to gain trust and i personally felt like first time she did it.

Actually, she married the boss of the company where MC works. so it's implied she got a higher position with nepotism, which she should have despised a whole lot if she was the real Alex.

Yeah did not think of the nepotism angle but i definitely like your POV, it makes for better narrative.

the stanley parable part happens before the threesome. they fall asleep on the beach.
you can say that the nightmares actually contributes to the threesome happening as they both get confirmation about what MC is to them and how they feel, as well as how they feel about the other girls.

guess i misplaced the two in my timeline

no, it's Nancy that threw a spear first. Nova uses Dione as a handgun afterwards.

this i would have to go back and double check but i already deleted the game. I think we see nancy hold a spear as we look at them so unless she already pulled out next one (which is fairly easy and plausible) i'd think holding a spear would indicate not taking a shot. But i think you are right because narratively now that i think about it would make no sense for Nova to randomly picks a harpoon gun form and then switch to handgun and yes i do remember the handgun thing now that you reminded me

you forgot the huge romantic scene with Alex, with a massive drop of a tiny details there
mutual love confessions and a pregnancy scare xD

i forgot a lot as i was trying to keep it short but i kept adding stuff as i have hard time choosing what is not important. i did state that orion goes and confess love to everyone (or i hope i did) while typing about the threesome and nancy stuff so confessing to alex, annie and dalia should have been implied but yes admitedly i forgot to mention it and i also completely forgot about pregnancy scare to be honest. And to be fair if there is any girl at this point of time aka 0.8 it would be Alex because that night they shared was crazy

not really, he boasted that he oneshotted the strongest of them.

ok correct he did boast to others but he does have inner monologue about how it isnt as simple as it looks. The damage he took is not trivial and he was surpised with how quickly jackal reacted and manage to counter attack him. (remember, Orion is quick enough to block thanatos yet jackal landed the hit on him). the rest i think is semantics, i either mostly agree with things you pointed out or changes you made are trivial enough that i dont think needs to be addressed.

 

[cayseron]

Ahhh ! I get it now... Calypso is bottom shelf for you personally then. Argument / discussion over if that's all it is

Tho think the Caly fans are going to come hunting for you after saying she is not top shelf lol.

i dont think calypso is bottom shelf, she is really good stuff but not the top shelf kind. Obviously we are talking in metaphor but what we really are talking here is whether Calypso is main girl, will be part of harem, will get her own picture next to other 7 with her own bio and option to see if you are still on her path like its the case with other 7 aka actually main girls.
to go back to metaphor i would not say Calypso is bottom shelf or cheap stuff, id say she is the secret menu item. Its special stuff that only special guests can order but in reality she is not even on the menu.

but as long as she is close to MC they can leave anytime. that's the point. they don't need any exit portal as long as MC is there. that's a huge advantage for infiltration missions.

i mean yes that part is obvious but it comes with its own problems. Samir already has the plan and we must follow it if we want ishari's help and its not like Orion and Dalia can just casually go around server telling people "oh wait btw we came here with our real bodies so we prefer to stick together so that we can just exit and run away if we get in the trouble".

 

[taihen_addict]

So I decided to replay 0.8 from the very beginning. Apparently, even if you choose Alex's bagels instead of Dalia's brownies, the game still flags daliabrownieyes as true. Game breaking? No. Immersion breaking? Yes.

 

[cayseron]

So I decided to replay 0.8 from the very beginning. Apparently, even if you choose Alex's bagels instead of Dalia's brownies, the game still flags daliabrownieyes as true. Game breaking? No. Immersion breaking? Yes.

yeah those bugs happen sometimes. in 0.7 i had nova mention maat during her scene and how she wish it was her that orion pins to the floor yet i never fuck maat (only time i do is on the playthrough where i make orion fucks everything, if i am doing solo playthroughts or experiment with just few main girls i never bother interacting with "others") at least when they do happen it only affect one or two lines of dialogue and not completely change the scene so its just as you said, not game breaking but does break immersion

 

[HiP1]

hmm i read it as her reading the mind first time and letting him go. then when he asked second time she decides to trust him. i could be wrong and maybe she did not read the mind first time either but i know there is two instances Orion asks for mind reading to gain trust and i personally felt like first time she did it.

are we done with spoiler tags now ?
MC tells her to read his thoughts. she thinks about it and the situation, and then she decides not to. He offers again after she steps back, and she replies she doesn't need to as she trusts him.

this i would have to go back and double check but i already deleted the game. I think we see nancy hold a spear as we look at them so unless she already pulled out next one (which is fairly easy and plausible) i'd think holding a spear would indicate not taking a shot. But i think you are right because narratively now that i think about it would make no sense for Nova to randomly picks a harpoon gun form and then switch to handgun and yes i do remember the handgun thing now that you reminded me

Nancy holds 2 or 3 spears when the camera shifts to her. and it makes it obvious it's her because we see the kill and then the very next image is Nancy holding spears

it would be Alex because that night they shared was crazy

that scene is still a candidate for best sex scene in the game. it was the first where the new level of animation was evident

i mean yes that part is obvious but it comes with its own problems. Samir already has the plan and we must follow it if we want ishari's help and its not like Orion and Dalia can just casually go around server telling people "oh wait btw we came here with our real bodies so we prefer to stick together so that we can just exit and run away if we get in the trouble".

they don't need to reveal anything. they can just insist the team stay together, as it's a basic strategy. and splitting with strangers that you can't completely trust is very risky.
the Ishari need the Empire more than the Empire needs them, so Samir would accept the change. and he is not stubborn as we learn about what kind of coward he really is at the end. he would defer to MC and Dalia if they insisted.

 

[cayseron]

are we done with spoiler tags now ?

oops
i'd say i dont feel like going back to edit every quote unless forced but i think we should stick to it if we can XD

 

[cayseron]

the Ishari need the Empire more than the Empire needs them, so Samir would accept the change. and he is not stubborn as we learn about what kind of coward he really is at the end. he would defer to MC and Dalia if they insisted.

yeah but that is just hindsight. we dont know that until we already finish the update and that is now how reading/writing should work

 

[Steuan]

Can't forget Alex and Calypso too
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[HiP1]

yeah but that is just hindsight. we dont know that until we already finish the update and that is now how reading/writing should work

Dalia and Jerry knows why we partner with the Ishari and Samir, and Jerry mentions it in the market. it's just MC that is oblivious to it all the player can make an educated guess early on.
but yeah, it's not really important. it's just coping with an impossibly stupid decision

 

[cayseron]

Dalia and Jerry knows why we partner with the Ishari and Samir, and Jerry mentions it in the market. it's just MC that is oblivious to it all the player can make an educated guess early on.
but yeah, it's not really important. it's just coping with an impossibly stupid decision

yeah and it is admitedly very stupid. as i mentioned before. first rule of DND adventuring party. NEVER SPLIT THE PARTY XD
i dont think people understand what i am saying

NEVER.SPLIT.THE.PARTY

 

[thatsme1]

Great game, easily the best animation and models of any avn I've played, interesting story as well. I'm very excited about the new patch.