VN Ren'Py Eternum [v0.9.2] [Caribdis]

[Sum Gi]

I'm honestly surprised this game hasn't run into any legal trouble yet given the amount of stolen assets.

Yeah, man really loves the HS aesthetic so much that he went with the sequel version instead of switching to Daz (not that I'm complaining tho).

Daz is an abomination that has singlehandedly ruined half the games on this site with its total inability to render human facial expression without transforming every model into an uncanny valley atrocity.

 

[TeeEight]

Yeah, man really loves the HS aesthetic so much that he went with the sequel version instead of switching to Daz (not that I'm complaining tho).

Man given the existence of Luna (plus the Chinese dude), I kinda just assumed the Dev was like a White American. I'm admittedly surprised.

 

[Machete]

So we have a Spanish dev, making a game with Asian-ish characters (yes, I know that's a limitation of HS), in English.....

...that's kind of like the movie

You must be registered to see the links

where you had a Scotsman playing a Spaniard and a Frenchman playing a Scotsman both of whom used a Japanese Katana.

And the american dude plays the russian big guy with a german zweihander.

It's kinda a big deal to see a spanish dude using english this proficently. Which coming from me with my Danny Trejo and my sucking at English is kinda lame. And i'm even italian and speaking english is still sadly rare for way too many italians.

 

[Dorfnutter]

I'm honestly surprised this game hasn't run into any legal trouble yet given the amount of stolen assets.

Those assets are made by the HS2 modding community and are distributed for free, though. And with how limited said assets there are in HS2 when compared to Daz (with some assets just straight ports from Daz itself), devs just use what they can get. /shrugs

 

[Sum Gi]

Those assets are made by the HS2 modding community and are distributed for free, though. And with how limited said assets there are in HS2 when compared to Daz (with some assets just straight ports from Daz itself), devs just use what they can get. /shrugs

Hey it's not like igaf about digital theft. Most companies are usually cool with it so long as money isn't involved, which a casual glance at the patreon page will tell you is NOT the case here. They'll probably be fine. In the same way that unexploded ordinance probably won't repaint the asphalt with your brains when you pick it up. Even if it's likely a dud, they're still sitting on a ticking time bomb made out of microsoft lawyers until they rip that stuff out. I don't imagine the game benefits much from its presence anyway. But hey, who doesn't like playing with fire?

 

[Dorfnutter]

Most companies are usually cool with it so long as money isn't involved, which a casual glance at the patreon page will tell you is NOT the case here.

Patreon exists in a legal grey area in that you are essentially supporting the dev to keep doing what they're doing. The product itself is free, with the early access period mainly being used by Cari as a way to playtest for bugs and typos and fix scenes and all the stuff he might've missed during the dev period. It's also why he's genuinely pissed whenever it leaks early (as he often views the beta releases as an unfinished product not meant for public consumption), but has since come to grudgingly live with it (attributing the early leaks as an unfortunate side effect of his AVN's popularity).

I don't imagine the game benefits much from its presence anyway. But hey, who doesn't like playing with fire?

It's outright implied in the Andromeda tapes that the "assets" floating around are the OG concepts and ideas that writers/artists/creators who've dreamnt of Eternum (note: before the existence of the nerve implant) have seen and became the inspiration for the various media that we see in the real. It's a somewhat clever subversion of "Ready Player One" where instead of various IP being brought into this one melting pot of the game, it's the other way around where this higher plane of existence that the average person sometimes find themselves visiting in dreams is the source/inspiration for all of the IP that we see in the real.

So in a way, Cari has managed to weave those said assets in the narrative, thus benefitting it. Not to mention it's a lot easier to put that idea across with existing IP instead of in-universe IP that might fly over the reader's head until the William infodump early in this update.

Edit: Then again, even if you remove the assets and go with in-universe IP he's still playing with fire given that making an AVN using HS2 is already a legal quagmire in of itself, so in case it's more of a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation.

 

[Sum Gi]

Patreon exists in a legal grey area in that you are essentially supporting the dev to keep doing what they're doing.

I'm afraid there is no legal grey area whatsoever. Even if you are producing a free product, using ip without permission is still 100% illegal. Most companies just don't care enough to pursue action, but they absolutely could if they wanted to and the law would be entirely on their side. Honestly in my assessment there is very little risk of any repercussions, but it might be worth removing the content anyways. Better safe than sorry as they say. No one thinks much of a small risk before it happens, but they'd likely regret it if indeed some passing corpo's eyes made contact and their entire career went down the drain with a single dmca.

On an unrelated note, anyone know where this is from:

Is it just base hs? Someone's oc mod? Content from some other property? I vaguely feel like I've seen it before and it's bugging me, but my mind is hardly a bastion of reliability these days (or days past, for that matter).

 

[Dorfnutter]

I'm afraid there is no legal grey area whatsoever. Even if you are producing a free product, using ip without permission is still 100% illegal. Most companies just don't care enough to pursue action, but they absolutely could if they wanted to and the law would be entirely on their side. Honestly in my assessment there is very little risk of any repercussions, but it might be worth removing the content anyways. Better safe than sorry as they say. No one thinks much of a small risk before it happens, but they'd likely regret it if indeed some passing corpo's eyes made contact and their entire career went down the drain with a single dmca.

Again, hardly matters when making an AVN out of HS2 and "profiting" from it, as you say, is already technically illegal as it's not designed for that kind of purpose and goes against the HS2 ToS. Same with the existing mod community of said game ripping various assets (recent ones include hairstyles from Baldur's Gate 3, for instance) and putting it in said game for scenes and the like.

Point being, if companies go after Cari, they'd have to go after the entire Honey Select community as well since that's where he gets those assets to begin with and that said modders are the ones allowing the assets to be built in with the repack copies (which AVN devs use since they have a lot of features/mods built in from the get go that help greatly in getting shots/animations for AVNs). /shrugs

Edit: Also forgot, the "legal grey area" I'm referring to is the same legal grey area that allows machinima creators (i.e. Mans1ayer) and paid modders like

You must be registered to see the links

to exist on Patreon. Like, they obviously utilize existing IP yet I don't see them being taken down by some legal team or whatnot...so they must be doing something right or companies just don't give a shit.

 

[Pitrik]

 

[Dorfnutter]

View attachment 3642800

Spoiler: Can't wait for the sneaks...

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

 

[Satou Pendragon]

Spoiler: Can't wait for the sneaks...

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

 

[imzahai]

On an unrelated note, anyone know where this is from:
View attachment 3642651
Is it just base hs? Someone's oc mod? Content from some other property? I vaguely feel like I've seen it before and it's bugging me, but my mind is hardly a bastion of reliability these days (or days past, for that matter).

isn't that one of the in-game cops (praetorian)? looks like he made it with in game [HS2] assets

 

[Blueray]

do u think part 8 might come out be for dec?

 

[Sum Gi]

isn't that one of the in-game cops (praetorian)? looks like he made it with in game [HS2] assets

Yeah I'm just curious who made the outfit, whether it was the game maker or someone else and whether it's based on anything. Could be tripping.

 

[Tulrek]

View attachment 3642800

 

[Dorfnutter]

Yeah I'm just curious who made the outfit, whether it was the game maker or someone else and whether it's based on anything. Could be tripping.

You must be registered to see the links

.

 

[sexypeanut]

do u think part 8 might come out be for dec?

I'm pretty sure it will. Cari has said he doesn't want to take so long to release updates like he took for 0.7. I'd shoot for October-November

 

[PurpleToyMonster]

I am hoping the in 0.8, we learn that things between Chang and Michaela are moving forward. Chang has been very helpful for moving the story along and he needs a little love. Think of the matching T shirts they can wear on a date!!!

 

[Das_Peanut]

Patreon exists in a legal grey area in that you are essentially supporting the dev to keep doing what they're doing. The product itself is free, with the early access period mainly being used by Cari as a way to playtest for bugs and typos and fix scenes and all the stuff he might've missed during the dev period. It's also why he's genuinely pissed whenever it leaks early (as he often views the beta releases as an unfinished product not meant for public consumption), but has since come to grudgingly live with it (attributing the early leaks as an unfortunate side effect of his AVN's popularity).



It's outright implied in the Andromeda tapes that the "assets" floating around are the OG concepts and ideas that writers/artists/creators who've dreamnt of Eternum (note: before the existence of the nerve implant) have seen and became the inspiration for the various media that we see in the real. It's a somewhat clever subversion of "Ready Player One" where instead of various IP being brought into this one melting pot of the game, it's the other way around where this higher plane of existence that the average person sometimes find themselves visiting in dreams is the source/inspiration for all of the IP that we see in the real.

So in a way, Cari has managed to weave those said assets in the narrative, thus benefitting it. Not to mention it's a lot easier to put that idea across with existing IP instead of in-universe IP that might fly over the reader's head until the William infodump early in this update.

Edit: Then again, even if you remove the assets and go with in-universe IP he's still playing with fire given that making an AVN using HS2 is already a legal quagmire in of itself, so in case it's more of a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation.

Yeah, it's become increasingly clear that Eternum is supposed to exist in a world of a Platonic realism of sorts, in which the different servers are the metaphorical cave walls upon which different groups of archetypes cast their shadows. The fact that those things also appear in our world, and have appeared before Eternum, implies that the archetypes exist somewhere partially accessible to the mind. I suppose the mystery lies in figuring out when/how one can access this 'realm' (i.e., death under certain circumstances; high compatibility etc.) and how one can 'cast a shadow', so to speak. I love this sort of stuff. And boobs. So, yeah, I'm all for it.

 

[Dorfnutter]

Yeah, it's become increasingly clear that Eternum is supposed to exist in a world of a Platonic realism of sorts, in which the different servers are the metaphorical cave walls upon which different groups of archetypes cast their shadows. The fact that those things also appear in our world, and have appeared before Eternum, implies that the archetypes exist somewhere partially accessible to the mind. I suppose the mystery lies in figuring out when/how one can access this 'realm' (i.e., death under certain circumstances; high compatibility etc.) and how one can 'cast a shadow', so to speak. I love this sort of stuff. And boobs. So, yeah, I'm all for it.

I mean based from William's infodump and the shit that happened to Orion so far it sounds like the textbook definition of this: