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Why would Dalia and Penny go live with Nancy if they had their own parents? They are FROM Kredon - they wouldn't need to live with her. Orion and Annie are living at Nancy's because they don't have family there.
Caribdis wouldn't retcon the story like that just to make the characters being able to fuck together. You can wait for when he releases the character cards and then use HS2 to make them do whatever you want.
Why would Axel be blonde and not have black hair ? Why Kredon is called Kredon ? Why this, why that. You're just fishing for details. Dalia and Penny going to live with Nancy is very easy to justify: their own parents leave, maybe they're shitty parents, maybe it's just closer to the school and the university, maybe they just know each other well so they want to live together. There's tons of possible explanation.
I mean, that's well and good. Just one tiny problem tho...

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Yeah, good luck trying to convince the guy to do a rewrite just to accomodate those scenes, especially this far into the story.
I know, I'm not expecting Cari to change anything. Although like I said a few dialogue tweaks with those changes made into the "official" version would just be enough. There's literally just two names to change and some dialogues, but it has to be done by the dev for it to be official.

I'm just saying, this is a shame.
 

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But it is broken.
Cari wanted to make scenes with them. It is teased numerous times. People would love to have scenes between them.
Patreon's shitty policy broke it.
And it could literally be fixed with some little dialogue tweaks and two name changes. It's not ideal, but it would be the only good solution.

Anyway, I'm just ranting. Pretty sure Cari won't listen to me anyway and that's just too bad.

Just getting tired of people shrugging it off because "it is what it is" like it's normal. Come on people, be a little more rebellious than that. Get a little angry about shitty policies ruining creative freedom at least, sheesh.
Why would Axel be blonde and not have black hair ? Why Kredon is called Kredon ? Why this, why that. You're just fishing for details. Dalia and Penny going to live with Nancy is very easy to justify: their own parents leave, maybe they're shitty parents, maybe it's just closer to the school and the university, maybe they just know each other well so they want to live together. There's tons of possible explanation.

I know, I'm not expecting Cari to change anything. Although like I said a few dialogue tweaks with those changes made into the "official" version would just be enough. There's literally just two names to change and some dialogues, but it has to be done by the dev for it to be official.

I'm just saying, this is a shame.
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Is there no workarounds he could do? Have the scene in the game, but disabled, download a file from his actual website that activates it? or are patreon THAT strict?
 
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e6mill

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Is there no workarounds he could do? Have the scene in the game, but disabled, download a file from his actual website that activates it? or are patreon THAT strict?
Why? You are aware that not everyone on Earth has an incest kink, right? (I'm personally not especially against it, but I don't get people who insist it needs to be built into every story & VN.)
 

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Why? You are aware that not everyone on Earth has an incest kink, right? (I'm personally not especially against it, but I don't get people who insist it needs to be built into every story & VN.)
Well aware. I don't like it when it's related to the MC but sisters or whatever are fine to me. Only one of my top 10 VNs have incest and even then it's not known at the time of the scene.

That's why i suggested a completely optional file that reactivates the scene, im hardly sat here saying a VN that i love, sucks because it doesn't have incest
 

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Exquisite ending for this update, this is of course the best game in the entire site so it is expected, but Eternum has once again proven to be the sky above the sky, the peerless one, the honored one, the greatest game.

What an amazing cliffhanger!
 
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5th episode (0.5). We discovered Thanny was a dead man (still) walking in the 5th episode.

Also, a little directionless how? Going through with the gem hunt is pretty much the only thing they could do that would give some sort of progress to one of their goals which is to stop the Founder from doing whatever he's doing in Eternum.

As for other issues, well...they can't do jack shit with the Syndicate since they only pop whenever they feel like it, same with Wyatt who seems to only pop whenever there's a gem close by and he seems to always be a step too late when it comes to Orion unless the latter is not on the move. Caly is way too focused in getting back to her home and there's likely very little the team could do to help her on that other than just letting her do her thing (plus prior to the end of 0.8 Orion was under the impression that she was similar to the other NPCs that were under Ulysses' control and had false memories, hence why he's prolly just humoring her and letting her do her thing).

So yeah, other than gathering the gems, investigating incidents when they pop up like the rogue NPCs in Ekabar, training, and spending downtime with the girls there's little much Orion could do to move forward really.
Chang's Nine got 2 new gems after the Wyatt revelation; new allies in the form of El Coyote, the Vampires, and the Werewolves; Idriel had that Limbo infodump which will likely come into play later on to explain her and the Syndicate's prescience; Orion's powers advanced and he sort of got humbled; Plus Caly's backstory got revealed and as of the end of 0.8 is finally getting somewhere.

If all that's considered as the plot not moving forward then I'd rather have all of that than the first four updates of OIAL (like I still enjoyed that game but JFC are those early eps really, REAAAAALLY slow as far as the cult plot was concerned).
Episode 5, sorry. It has been a while since I have played the earlier chapters.

I haven't played OIAL, so I am unsure how much slower it is than Eternum. I am not saying that Eternum is bad, but your explanation bolsters my point by asking "What else can they do?". If you have to ask that, something has been written wrong.

Cali keeps adding plot points but does not resolve any of them. It looks like we are heading to a point where everything will just come together too quickly at the end, and he might have to make it a double episode because there is far too much to wrap up neatly in a single update, as pointed out by someone else here and here.

As my example earlier, we spent all this time learning that NPCs are dead humans, we tracked down Wyatt's family and discovered that he is alive in Eternum. Excellent setup. I have been waiting for the next encounter with Thanatos to see where this would lead. He finally shows up at the end of the last episode, Orion attempts to explain the situation to him, and Thanatos shrugs, says "Who cares?" and does whatever he wants anyway. 2 years for this and nothing.

Yes, we are gathering Gems, but they are just MacGuffins which, on their own, do not accomplish anything - the only advancement of the plot will come from acquiring all ten. We have all these awesome new allies which were fun to acquire, but they have not paid off or come to aid in any way yet. We have been getting mysterious hints from Idriel since the start but still have no answers. Orion has new powers but all it gives him is the ability to reach Eternum, something he could already do, from a different path - big deal.

This "line up all your plot points and knock them down at the end" works for a 2-hour movie with three Acts, but it tends to drag on when it is stretched over 13 updates in six years. A steady flow of questions and answers would better suit this medium, but that is just me.

I am excited to finally visit Caly's homeworld because I can see us getting some good lore and answers there. Not only to learn information either but for our heroes to do something with it. Have it change the way they approach problems or existing issues.

Again, before you get all hot under the collar, I am not saying that Eternum is poorly written. It is the best AVN I have played. The characters are fun and gorgeous, and the setting is awesomely interesting! I feel like we are just in a lull right now where nothing is happening. We keep adding questions but receive no answers.
 

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Cali keeps adding plot points but does not resolve any of them.
We have 5 episodes and the game's not over. They're going to be resolved eventually.

As my example earlier, we spent all this time learning that NPCs are dead humans, we tracked down Wyatt's family and discovered that he is alive in Eternum. Excellent setup. I have been waiting for the next encounter with Thanatos to see where this would lead. He finally shows up at the end of the last episode, Orion attempts to explain the situation to him, and Thanatos shrugs, says "Who cares?" and does whatever he wants anyway. 2 years for this and nothing.
Wyatt has been characterized as someone who will stop at nothing to collect those gems so talk-no-jutsu isn't gonna work with him. Also I feel like the resolution of Wyatt's plot thread isn't connected to his remaining family in the real but rather in finding out WHY he is so obsessed in getting the gems (which at this point is still a mystery).

This "line up all your plot points and knock them down at the end" works for a 2-hour movie with three Acts, but it tends to drag on when it is stretched over 13 updates in six years. A steady flow of questions and answers would better suit this medium, but that is just me.
Current storytelling is warranted considering that the finished game is going to eventually play like a "2-hour movie with three acts" instead of being released like OIAL where Cari just made things up on the fly as he went (resulting in a story that feels like it'll be fun if viewed in an episodic manner, but feels somewhat repetitive when viewed as a full arc).
 

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But it is broken.
Cari wanted to make scenes with them. It is teased numerous times. People would love to have scenes between them.
Patreon's shitty policy broke it.
And it could literally be fixed with some little dialogue tweaks and two name changes. It's not ideal, but it would be the only good solution.

Anyway, I'm just ranting. Pretty sure Cari won't listen to me anyway and that's just too bad.

Just getting tired of people shrugging it off because "it is what it is" like it's normal. Come on people, be a little more rebellious than that. Get a little angry about shitty policies ruining creative freedom at least, sheesh.
Eh.. you just want a scene where they fuck... making them unrelated would straight up make the story worse... And in a porn game whose main hook is the fact it has actual characters rather then fuck toys it wouldn't make sense... I know I probably would've forgotten about Eternum long time ago if that were the case... Not every option needs to happen...
 

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Why? You are aware that not everyone on Earth has an incest kink, right? (I'm personally not especially against it, but I don't get people who insist it needs to be built into every story & VN.)
Indeed. Since Orion can have sex scenes with each of Nancy, Penny and Dalia individually (and his scenes with them will feel almost like incest), I'm not too worried that he can't have a sex scene with them all at once. If that depresses him too much, later in the game he'll probably be able to have an orgy with all of Annie, Alex, Nova and Luna simultaneously (and that orgy could also include any one of Nancy, Penny and Dalia as well).
 
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Indeed. Since Orion can have sex scenes with each of Nancy, Penny and Dalia individually (and his scenes with them will feel almost like incest), I'm not too worried that he can't have a sex scene with them all at once. If that depresses him too much, later in the game he'll probably be able to have an orgy with all of Annie, Alex, Nova and Luna simultaneously (and that orgy could also include any one of Nancy, Penny and Dalia as well).
I'm not sure Nancy will have scenes with her daughters due to Patreon’s ToS, right ? But honestly, whether Orion has scenes with several of them or individually doesn’t bother me much. I highly doubt he could do it with all of them at once ! x)



the story is so good and fun to watch :D somehow i really think Annie is Thanatos, that would be wild
Wait, whaaaaat ? :LOL: The twist could be fun, but it wouldn’t make any sense plot-wise. Plus, I don’t really see anything that would suggest that’s going to happen.
 
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Why? You are aware that not everyone on Earth has an incest kink, right? (I'm personally not especially against it, but I don't get people who insist it needs to be built into every story & VN.)
In this case it makes sense why people are asking for it because the dev himself wanted to add a foursome scene with nancy, penny and dalia. It has been hinted towards in earlier updates (yoga scene, penny/nancy sharing underwear, complimenting dalia's ass when penny shares that photo etc). Additionally there's a message in the spoilers/early access channel on the developer's discord that the dev made when the earlier versions were out saying he wanted to add the scene - if you are a patron you can find his message there. So its not just shoehorning a kink for the sake of it like people here are making it seem.

It was after this update (or was it the previous one?) that he said that he unfortunately cannot add it because of patreon's rules. Which I can understand... it is his livelihood and it would be dumb to risk his main source of income just to add one scene in a porn game.
 
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Rooh, don't argue about this matter of incest in the game. The game is already quite satisfying with what it offers, even without incest or an I-patch.

We all know that with Patreon's ToS, there won't be this kind of content in the end, it was pretty predictable. It's a bit of a shame for some scenarios we might have imagined, but it's not really a big deal.

Everyone is free to enjoy whatever they want, but don't turn it into a topic of bickering between you that goes in circles and monopolizes the discussions, thanks.
 
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