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Did Doc also had a week or two to comply with the CnD and replace 50+ songs with ones that are thematically appropriate to the scenes tied to them?

Also just to reiterate: it was members of Cari's Discord community that volunteered to find and replace those tracks with the AI ones being used now. And just to note, the community there isn't exactly shy when it comes to AI usage, be it in fan art, fan AMVs, shitposts, etc. Hell, they even ended up getting a dedicated channel for it.

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And considering how close Cari is to his Discord community, well...it's a no-brainer why he let them help him in that particular issue (and why he was probably keen in having them help him again for this particular update).
I'm jumping in here, but what are the chances that the music distributor will change its ToS again and Cari will be able to use the old tracks again?

(Whether for Eternum or future games)

To be honest, I didn't notice any huge difference between the update and the previous music. The new tracks are also good/great, but somehow I miss one or two songs that made some scenes truly outstanding and unforgettable.

PS: These prudish exclusions and bans on “porn” in recent years are really sad and can make you really afraid of what's to come...
 

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I'd like to try it myself, but I don't know how to translate a Ren'Py game
Pretty sure there are a lot of guides on youtube :unsure: Never tried it,but think you'll need renpy sdk,then you unpack Eternum with unren,open it with renpy sdk,and then, there is an option "generate translations" that creates translation files you need to manually translate,and then you can share it(Not sure about switching the language inside of the game without touching preferences screen) :unsure:
 
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I'm jumping in here, but what are the chances that the music distributor will change its ToS again and Cari will be able to use the old tracks again?

(Whether for Eternum or future games)

To be honest, I didn't notice any huge difference between the update and the previous music. The new tracks are also good/great, but somehow I miss one or two songs that made some scenes truly outstanding and unforgettable.

PS: These prudish exclusions and bans on “porn” in recent years are really sad and can make you really afraid of what's to come...
From his POV, why would he go back and risk them changing their mind again? I imagine the reason of going AI with his tracks is to avoid any kind of risk in the future.
 
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From his POV, why would he go back and risk them changing their mind again? I imagine the reason of going AI with his tracks is to avoid any kind of risk in the future.
Yes, that's true. It would be risky.
But if the opportunity arises, well, I don't think Caribdis is happy with the whole thing and that he had to swap out the songs.
He chose them for good reason and really put his heart and soul into them.
I don't know if he would just let the opportunity pass him by. Even if there are good reasons for it.
 

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Can I just say, love Carbdis and love Eternum. OIAL is one of my top AVN's of all time, and Eternum is up there as well. But, the use of generative AI art and images in this latest chapter was a huge let down. I hate everything AI Art, and AI Generative, especially coming from a creative like Carbdis, even if that creation is smut.

I could understand this more from an AVN developer that was less known, and didn't have the patreon/subscribestar or whatever financial backing to afford the odd commission for in game art, but Carbdis is definitely not one of those developers, and could easily afford to pay for a couple of commissions for the art used in game, or even the licensing fees for certain images. I dunno, might get flack for it, but it just felt like a letdown from a Developer who usually focuses so much time and effort into making something actually quality in the space. Otherwise this update was amazing, like the rest of them. Just had to say something about the AI art, as I noticed it right away and it took a bit out of the update for me. Fuck AI "art."
Support real artists. It has no soul. Its always an ugly ass art style. You can instantly tell AI "art" from something a real artist has made. Theres no such thing as using ai well. If you cant create the art yourself, get a real person who can. Not a plagiarization machine thats killing the planet for literally no good reason what so ever. Its lazy, and stupid. Carbdis can afford real art made from real people. Fuck AI. Fuck AI art.
The Anti-AI position will always be hilarious to me. AI is a creative tool, just like every other technological advancement in any creative field that came before it - people will complain about it being soulless or lazy or subpar, but as the technology grows and people begin to understand how it works, it will become the accepted norm in the given industry.
There is nothing wrong with AI. It is a tool - aside from technological limitations, there are only bad uses and good uses of it. It is an incredibly efficient and cost-effective way to create art, and it allows people who would otherwise be unable to express their creativity to do so.
Define a "real" artist. There are plenty of artistic liberties in generative AI. Take a look at any of the stuff Corridor Crew is making if you want proof of it.
I completely support Cari using AI, especially when he is in trouble with time frames, like he was with the music debacle 6 months ago. What if Cari can't find an artist who can create exactly what he is looking for? Would you rather have an inferior product that Cari isn't happy with, or an AI product that is as Cari envisioned? As long as he continues to make high quality AVNs (which he does), then I am all for it.
 

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The Anti-AI position will always be hilarious to me. AI is a creative tool, just like every other technological advancement in any creative field that came before it - people will complain about it being soulless or lazy or subpar, but as the technology grows and people begin to understand how it works, it will become the accepted norm in the given industry.

ai is a creative tool untill it isn't


i don't think ai is necessarily bad, i think it has a lot of bad use cases. personally, i don't like going into a store and seeing notebooks with objectively shitty ai slop on the covers, i don't like what's going on on twitter right now, and I'm not a fan of games with ai cg.

though agree that in this case the use of ai is justified to some extent, it is indeed simpler and more far-sighted, but I also understand why people are not happy with it
 

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AI is both a useful tool and a terrible problem. It all depends on who is using it, how and for what.

AI can newer replace the work of an actual master. Someone who has precise knowledge of their craft and tools will always be able to outperform AI generated content no matter what field we are talking about. And for people like that AI is indeed just another useful tool in our tool belt. I should know, having spent decades in the software industry that is what it is for me.

I can honestly say that, as a software engineer, having AI at my disposal is like having a junior dev to do the boring parts for me while I do the stuff that is actually important.

The problem with AI and why is is so damaging is what it grants to those that are not power users.

Basically, no matter what you pick up the early stages of your work are always going to be slop. Plain and simple. Practicing your craft is how you learn and get better so that eventually you can go on to make things that are good. And you have to start from somewhere.

And the thing is, slop, or rather the sort of semi-slop you can create when you are just starting out but not a complete beginner can be good enough for a lot of situations. Random profile pictures for a forum, showelware smut for a flash game or code for a wordpress page does not have to be top notch senior grade engineering. Good enough is, after all, good enough. And some times that bar can be low.

And this is where AI becomes problematic.

AI allows people with very little skill to create large amounts of the sort of useful but not actually good semi-slop that is good enough for entry level tasks without having to work for it. In doing so, it harms both the individual and the overall profession they are in as well as the rest of the world.

The individual is harmed because, by relying on AI as opposed to practicing their craft, they are newer going to learn and advance. Making cheap sowelware smut or wordpress sites might pay the bills when you need some extra cash to get drunk in college but you really want to be able to do slightly more advanced things by the time you have to start paying for your mortgage. And if you only use AI and do not actually practice your craft you will get stuck in that bracket forever because you are doing without doing and therefore without learning.

For the general profession the problem is that the ease with which AI allows people to do these entry level tasks without any skill means that those who actually want to do things the right way and learn and advance by practicing their craft get drowned out of the market by the newer ending tide of forever-juniors and can't actually make a living while trying to advance to the next stage.

And for the rest of us. Well, frankly as much as I'd like to live forever we seniors are going to have to retire one day. And when that happens you better pray that there are enough true juniors out there that have not been getting by on AI alone to replace us.
 

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Pretty sure there are a lot of guides on youtube :unsure: Never tried it,but think you'll need renpy sdk,then you unpack Eternum with unren,open it with renpy sdk,and then, there is an option "generate translations" that creates translation files you need to manually translate,and then you can share it(Not sure about switching the language inside of the game without touching preferences screen) :unsure:
Yes, from what I've seen, you need to add a command line to add the language to the menu, that's what I'd like to do.
 

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AI is both a useful tool and a terrible problem. It all depends on who is using it, how and for what.

AI can newer replace the work of an actual master. Someone who has precise knowledge of their craft and tools will always be able to outperform AI generated content no matter what field we are talking about. And for people like that AI is indeed just another useful tool in our tool belt. I should know, having spent decades in the software industry that is what it is for me.

I can honestly say that, as a software engineer, having AI at my disposal is like having a junior dev to do the boring parts for me while I do the stuff that is actually important.

The problem with AI and why is is so damaging is what it grants to those that are not power users.

Basically, no matter what you pick up the early stages of your work are always going to be slop. Plain and simple. Practicing your craft is how you learn and get better so that eventually you can go on to make things that are good. And you have to start from somewhere.

And the thing is, slop, or rather the sort of semi-slop you can create when you are just starting out but not a complete beginner can be good enough for a lot of situations. Random profile pictures for a forum, showelware smut for a flash game or code for a wordpress page does not have to be top notch senior grade engineering. Good enough is, after all, good enough. And some times that bar can be low.

And this is where AI becomes problematic.

AI allows people with very little skill to create large amounts of the sort of useful but not actually good semi-slop that is good enough for entry level tasks without having to work for it. In doing so, it harms both the individual and the overall profession they are in as well as the rest of the world.

The individual is harmed because, by relying on AI as opposed to practicing their craft, they are newer going to learn and advance. Making cheap sowelware smut or wordpress sites might pay the bills when you need some extra cash to get drunk in college but you really want to be able to do slightly more advanced things by the time you have to start paying for your mortgage. And if you only use AI and do not actually practice your craft you will get stuck in that bracket forever because you are doing without doing and therefore without learning.

For the general profession the problem is that the ease with which AI allows people to do these entry level tasks without any skill means that those who actually want to do things the right way and learn and advance by practicing their craft get drowned out of the market by the newer ending tide of forever-juniors and can't actually make a living while trying to advance to the next stage.

And for the rest of us. Well, frankly as much as I'd like to live forever we seniors are going to have to retire one day. And when that happens you better pray that there are enough true juniors out there that have not been getting by on AI alone to replace us.
100% agree




I can honestly say that, as a software engineer, having AI at my disposal is like having a junior dev to do the boring parts for me while I do the stuff that is actually important.
microsoft would argue with that btw lol
 

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The Anti-AI position will always be hilarious to me. AI is a creative tool, just like every other technological advancement in any creative field that came before it - people will complain about it being soulless or lazy or subpar, but as the technology grows and people begin to understand how it works, it will become the accepted norm in the given industry.
There is nothing wrong with AI. It is a tool - aside from technological limitations, there are only bad uses and good uses of it. It is an incredibly efficient and cost-effective way to create art, and it allows people who would otherwise be unable to express their creativity to do so.
Define a "real" artist. There are plenty of artistic liberties in generative AI. Take a look at any of the stuff Corridor Crew is making if you want proof of it.
I completely support Cari using AI, especially when he is in trouble with time frames, like he was with the music debacle 6 months ago. What if Cari can't find an artist who can create exactly what he is looking for? Would you rather have an inferior product that Cari isn't happy with, or an AI product that is as Cari envisioned? As long as he continues to make high quality AVNs (which he does), then I am all for it.
Yeah, but why do that when you can pay $200 for a commission and then wait 3 months for an initial sketch any time you want art made for your game?
 
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microsoft would argue with that btw lol
Well I will admit that I can't yet get it to fetch me coffee. So it's definitively not a direct equivalent. But its really useful for dull and dirty tasks or just busywork. Like the other day I had it collect all the enums in our codebase and generate a translation file for them using google translate. Stuff like that.

Yeah, but why do that when you can pay $200 for a commission and then wait 3 months for an initial sketch any time you want art made for your game?
Because that is the price you pay now so that tomorrow that artist can grow up to become an actual master of their craft that can deliver content far beyond that sketch. It's an investment.
 

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Well I will admit that I can't yet get it to fetch me coffee. So it's definitively not a direct equivalent. But its really useful for dull and dirty tasks or just busywork. Like the other day I had it collect all the enums in our codebase and generate a translation file for them using google translate. Stuff like that.


Because that is the price you pay now so that tomorrow that artist can grow up to become an actual master of their craft that can deliver content far beyond that sketch. It's an investment.
i was talking about how they tried to use ai to rewrite fucking Windows in rust, lol. but i understand what you mean, i use it for the same purposes



Can we please for the love of god keep the AI sperging somewhere that is NOT here? As in NOT in the game's discussion?

uhh yes we probably should go somewhere else lol
 

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I bet money on he's an artist of no particularly great skill and AI will put him out of business. That's what 99.9% of bitching about AI boils down to. Same thing happens every time there's a large technological advancement. Miners and workers bitched during industrial revolution, scribes bitched after the invention of printing press etc etc. That's all.
a lot of technological advancement is a necessity generative AI isn't its just to fuck people over, AI should also be used to do boring taks why the fuck would i want it to do the fun things
 
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The thread moderators are probably going to sweep all comments regarding AI
yeahh, probably gonna tell them to move it to the offtopic or sumn, which is fair. Personally I think the use of AI here isn't egregious by any accounts, you can feel the difference it makes music wise for sure, personally I don't feel strongly about it but I wouldn't call it a positive. Otherwise, I don't have that trained of an eye to spot the AI CG, or Cari is jus damn good at hiding it.

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