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/takes a nap for a bit

/wakes up

Brain: .

Me: ...Are we really going to do this? I just woke up.

Brain: The current working theory we have is that the letter is going to be used at some point by Orion to avoid a disastrous event that's looming on the horizon or to protect him from the after effects-

Me (sighs): Yes, we basically theorycrafted that - assuming that the "Orion will be excommunicated in the future" scenario comes to pass, that would be his ace in the hole to prevent him from becoming brainwashed. That's assuming though that excommunication automatically transfers the consciousness to a facility where they are to be processed into becoming an NPC. Or the Praetorians haul his dead ass to said facility and he wakes up, doesn't recall his memories, possibly sees symbol of the Syndicate in the facility or something similar, recalls the event prior to the Garrington heist, opens the letter, then gets his memory restored and be protected from whatever the facility is slowly doing to him and thus transforming him into an NPC.

Brain: Like an antimemetic tool.

Me (preparing coffee): Yeah, pretty much. I'm guessing you're starting to have doubts if you're bringing this up, though.

Brain: ...

Me (blows smoke from coffee and sips it): OsirianObsidian's words regarding the Ephisia Grammata's connection to the Qliphoth?

Brain: ...What if the letter isn't just a letter of protection but also an invitation?

Me (stops sipping coffee): ...I don't follow.

Brain: Recall the Yggdrassil theory. The one we came up with which could serve as a theoretical map of Eternum but then discarded before we could post it because we accepted that Eternum exists in a metaphysical space and likely can't be mapped by normal means.

Me: The one that's ripped from MCU Thor lore? The one that states that the Yggdrassil isn't so much as a literal tree but rather the representation of the cosmos?

Brain: Assuming that the Gems are the Sefirot then that means they make up a Tree of Life, yes? Well what if Eternum as a whole is represented by that tree? Not a 1:1 mapping but just a representation in a metaphorical sense?

Me: ...Okay? And?

Brain: ..."Shadows are cast on the Earth by the light of the Sun."

Me (gears start turning on head, and then): ...Planeshift.

Brain (finger snaps): Heads and Tails, baby. Flipping the damn thing and moving to the side that exists in parallel.

Me: And you think this other side is-

Brain: Qliphoth, yes. Or Sitra Achra ("The Other Side," as termed by the Kabbalah), if we're being literal about it.

Me: So you think the letter is possibly a key, a way for Orion and co to access Qliphoth/Sitra Achra, the realm that exists in parallel to Eternum? The side that Orion sees when he uses his power but can't interact with? The side where the dead untouched by Ulysses and is the source of the voices can likely be seen?

Brain: A realm that also requires anyone who shifts over to be protected by something, yes. Protection could also mean a pass of sorts, like how people who are given certain items grant them safe passage or allow them to move freely in lands without risk of being shot, that sort of thing.

Me: That still doesn't explain the cryptic words of the Syndicate Member who gave the letter, though...

Brain: Single use scroll, likely usable only at the right place at the right time. Remember that our current stance is that the letter could've come from the Lady in Black (who we have theorized to be Idriel, or at least an aspect of her that shows up...maybe that's what she looks like when she shifts to the Qliphoth/Sitra Achra realm?) And we're also theorizing that Idriel has a gift of prophecy (because blind prophetess trope), so it's on brand for someone like her to have sent that letter and have it only be usable once the conditions are met.

Me: Mhm.

Brain: It also doesn't erase the possibility that it could've been sent to avert an incoming threat and the Syndicate can't give that letter in the future because of factors they have foreseen and/or because the meeting prior to the Garrington heist is the only time they can interact with Orion undisturbed. Maybe the Praetorians jump on Orion and co when they start digging too much on the truth about the NPCs, and maybe they track down Benjie's NPC self in a place where the symbol scrawled in the letter is seen, indicating that Orion IS at the right place at the right time, and he and the girls use that letter to shift to Qliphoth/Sitra Achra and thus evade capture or excommunication.

Me: Thus initiating the fated meeting between the Lady in Black and/or the Syndicate and Orion, and the revelation of certain facts about the Gems and Eternum and everything?

Brain: Yeap.

Me (leans back on chair and sips coffee, lost in thought): ...

Brain: Still unconvinced?

Me: Well...it's definitely a plausible theory. We could just...place it on the theory board for the time being and see if it plays out as you say.

Brain: Aight.
 
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...Yeah, but those gas prices though. :KEK:
So I know this is an old topic, but a lightbulb went off in my brain and I wanted to share it with everybody. If someone already pointed this out and I missed it then apologies for bringing it up again.

There's been comments made on this thread (didn't feel it was necessary to go hunting them all down as reference) about how ridiculously low the gas prices in Eternum are. I'm here to claim they're not as ridiculous as some have been lead to believe.

So for starters, let's agree that these are NOT the gas prices in Kredon. I think that's fair to say based on what's discussed during the car ride prior to arriving at the gas station.

Then we get into the pieces that are negotiable. So the first criteria to make these prices plausible would be the unit of measurement. I think a large bulk of people thinking the price was low thought that the price was in dollars per gallon. But what if I told you it was in dollars per Liter! Assuming this, the conversion is roughly 3.8 liters per gallon. This values the dollars per gallon relative to the gas station in the game as ~ $4 per gallon for regular gas. I'd consider this to be a relatively plausible cost.

"But Lilybelle, why would you use liters? That's absurd!"

Well, the thought crossed my mind because with Luna's family being Mexican, I remembered that Mexican Gas Stations present their gas prices by the Liter. However, they also express the cost in pesos, which actually results in much Larger numbers and thus makes the gas prices listed even Less believable. But they didn't say they're going to Mexico... they said they're going to another state. So now the question becomes: Why would a gas station in the USA be using Liters instead of Gallons? The answer: Mexican Gas stations in Texas!

With a little digging, I found what appeared to be Gas stations that had US Dollars as the currency (because you use the country's currency), but Liters as the units for quantity (I imagine there's some corporate reason I don't understand related to it being a Mexican Company). So if you're willing to believe that they drove all the way to Texas to celebrate Dia de los Muertos and happened to refill at one of those special gas stations then these gas costs don't feel Too crazy.


TL;DR The gas prices are normal.

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Completely forgot that this is literally in the same universe as OIAL and about that scene with Oliver - that was funny as fuck!
I'm kinda grateful that it was during the Nova event when that wine got reintroduced (though I did say "Oh gods they're fucked" out loud when I saw the name of the wine). Because I don't think I'd wanna know what would've happened had that wine popped up during, say, Penny's event. Especially with Charlotte there.

Then again, if I was horny as hell and had to choose between fucking an Ivory Elephant or Charlotte...I'd probably choose the Ivory Elephant.
 

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I'm kinda grateful that it was during the Nova event when that wine got reintroduced (though I did say "Oh gods they're fucked" out loud when I saw the name of the wine). Because I don't think I'd wanna know what would've happened had that wine popped up during, say, Penny's event. Especially with Charlotte there.

Then again, if I was horny as hell and had to choose between fucking an Ivory Elephant or Charlotte...I'd probably choose the Ivory Elephant.
Then imagine you ate it with the magic mushrooms and get high as fuck...
Then the next day you wake up in Professor Connors house...
Like whaat in fucking hell??
 

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Guys i found sth thats not canon. Im very sure it is not intended but im curious what you think about this:

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What ya guys think?
 
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Guys i found sth thats not canon. Im very sure it is not intended but im curious what you think about this:

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i’m guessing carib probably used a default model and didn’t notice, or did notice and made it darker so that we can’t see. Don’t think its canon tho
 

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Almost binged this game in a single session, so fun to play. The story is engaging, the comedy is just wonderful, I LOVE the really somber scenes. Caribdis is so creative and I can't wait to see where else this all goes.

Oh yeah and the scenes are sexy.
 

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i’m guessing carib probably used a default model and didn’t notice, or did notice and made it darker so that we can’t see. Don’t think its canon tho
actually it wasnt that dark in my scene so you could read it pretty clearly, must have been... the wind.. (sry xD). I assume that its a preset and just got in release unnoticed as well. But i like to play with the thought it was intentionally, so some people like me can get a burnout over it ^^
 
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So I know this is an old topic, but a lightbulb went off in my brain and I wanted to share it with everybody. If someone already pointed this out and I missed it then apologies for bringing it up again.

There's been comments made on this thread (didn't feel it was necessary to go hunting them all down as reference) about how ridiculously low the gas prices in Eternum are. I'm here to claim they're not as ridiculous as some have been lead to believe.

So for starters, let's agree that these are NOT the gas prices in Kredon. I think that's fair to say based on what's discussed during the car ride prior to arriving at the gas station.

Then we get into the pieces that are negotiable. So the first criteria to make these prices plausible would be the unit of measurement. I think a large bulk of people thinking the price was low thought that the price was in dollars per gallon. But what if I told you it was in dollars per Liter! Assuming this, the conversion is roughly 3.8 liters per gallon. This values the dollars per gallon relative to the gas station in the game as ~ $4 per gallon for regular gas. I'd consider this to be a relatively plausible cost.

"But Lilybelle, why would you use liters? That's absurd!"

Well, the thought crossed my mind because with Luna's family being Mexican, I remembered that Mexican Gas Stations present their gas prices by the Liter. However, they also express the cost in pesos, which actually results in much Larger numbers and thus makes the gas prices listed even Less believable. But they didn't say they're going to Mexico... they said they're going to another state. So now the question becomes: Why would a gas station in the USA be using Liters instead of Gallons? The answer: Mexican Gas stations in Texas!

With a little digging, I found what appeared to be Gas stations that had US Dollars as the currency (because you use the country's currency), but Liters as the units for quantity (I imagine there's some corporate reason I don't understand related to it being a Mexican Company). So if you're willing to believe that they drove all the way to Texas to celebrate Dia de los Muertos and happened to refill at one of those special gas stations then these gas costs don't feel Too crazy.


TL;DR The gas prices are normal.

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Where in Texas? And, as someone who lives in Texas, I can guarantee you there are very few destinations between CA and TX that you can get to in 10 hours or less (not that you'd have to for the proposed trip, but you can't even cross Texas in 10 hours or less without travelling at about 100mph the whole way, and that would be if you tried it in a straight line). Yes, you can do San Diego to El Paso, maybe, but I get the impression (maybe it was stated?) that Kredon is more "Northern California" - Bay Area or further north, possibly as far as Eureka area. And, wasn't the place they were going to search for Thanatos in Oregon? For that to be about a three hour drive (as it is stated in the AVN), you'd have to start not much further south than Eureka, and not go much further north than Brookings, OR. Granted, you could adjust that "bracket", moving north getting you further into Oregon , but Brookings is the closest "bigger" city near the southern border of OR.

More likely they went to some place in Nevada or Arizona for the Dios de las Muerta celebration, and the gas station was somewhere about the halfway point, meaning closer to the NV/CA border if a NV destination, or somewhere in CA if an AZ destination - some place like the Berkley/Bay area to Lake Havasu is about the right time frame, and could have the mountainous area in the back yard of the Uncle's home. If the starting point is closer to Eureka, then AZ is completely out of the question and we're looking at NV exclusively. Finally, as a Jeep owner, I can tell you that the longer wheel-based and heavier 4-door has trouble going above 100mph and starts to get a little squirrelly at that speed; the 2-door with the shorter wheel base (and the removeable hard top, especially) has too high of a center of gravity and too short of a wheel base for stable sustained travel at 100mph, and is unlikely to go that fast if you heavily modify it to bring the center of gravity down to increase stability - the V-6 just won't get you there with the extra weight.

Maybe in the future (for the Jeep to be older than Luna, we're talking about 2026 or later), the US will start using liters on a broader basis, but I really doubt it. ;)
 
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