Fake reviews are now a thing on F95?

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Optimelle

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So I have seen this on a few games now. The reviews start as bad to mediocre and then you see a bunch of 3-4 lines of review saying it's the best game in the history of games and they all have 5* ratings without fail.

What is the point of having ratings if you're just going to "balance" the real ratings with 5* fake ratings?

I am curious to see if other people found ratings like these and what are your thoughts?
 

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I am curious to see if other people found ratings like these and what are your thoughts?
Well, fake reviews exist, saying the contrary would be naive. But does it really mean that all 3-4 lines 5 stars reviews are fake ?

Whatever how bad a game can be to the eyes of some members, there will always be members who'll like it for their own reasons. And with more than 6 millions members, it's not surprising to see that there's enough people with a bad taste (accordingly to your own standard) to praise a game that have previously be reviewed as being bad by people who don't have the same taste.

Regulars are the first ones to review a game, because they are also the first one to see it and try it. Having tried hundreds games, they have more point of comparison, and will judge a game more harshly. When you've played and liked Desert Stalker, by example, it's obvious that the last, in date, game telling the story of a college idiot wanting to bang his family, will looks cheap in comparison.
And like it need time for a game to find its public through the lambda members, because they log-in once in a while, it's also not surprising that the members who will like that game, despite its possible defaults, will only write their review after weeks, if not months. And they'll do it more or less at the same time, during the few days after an update.
Plus, must not be forgot that creation is a constant learning process. It happen, more often that it can seem, that a dev, and therefore its game, improve with the time. And then, a game that started as average, or perhaps even bad, finally become something interesting.


This being said, it doesn't mean that there isn't fake reviews. But well, when you find a suspicious succession of praising review, for a game that on average have a really bad rating, just report the first one, saying that there's a series of review as surprisingly praising than this one. Moderators and staff members will do their job, and if it's another case of rating manipulation, they'll act.
 

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While personal opinions are always the most importent factor in all reviews (only few people can give a more or less truly objective assessment), of course there are an abundance of "fake reviews" that are brimming with biased feelings about certain game content without any regard of other parts (game is crap but one of the girls is exactly the type reviewer loves -> 5 stars; game is good but contains a hated tag -> 0 stars).

However not all unreasonably biased reviewes can easily be recognized as "fake reviews". Because the shallow ones are quickly reported and deleted, some users hide their real opinions and write some generic stuff so they won't violate the review rules.

That's why there are two types of "fake reviews": those that want to activly manipulate the review score (as in a dev using alt-accounts, which is against rule 1.9) or those that give an extremly biased assessment (which is against the review rules).

So, if you suspect any review manipulation, you can always report it. ;)
 

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The best fem game here "it could be worse" have rate 3.5 stars, because dev not know his game here placed.
 

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So I have seen this on a few games now. The reviews start as bad to mediocre and then you see a bunch of 3-4 lines of review saying it's the best game in the history of games and they all have 5* ratings without fail.

What is the point of having ratings if you're just going to "balance" the real ratings with 5* fake ratings?

I am curious to see if other people found ratings like these and what are your thoughts?
TLDR version: 1 and 5 star ratings with 3 lines of text have their place, for me, but they aren't that useful.





I have stumbled through my share of reviews for games that were nothing but 'Wow, this is the bestest, bestest game of all time. Go play it now'. I have also stumbled upon a rash of 1 star reviews where they are nothing but 'Poor graphics, I can't do X, so it sucks'.
Neither one of them are very useful by themselves and neither of them do a single thing to tell me WHY they 1-star or 5-star a game.

'It sucks' and 'It's great', doesn't tell me anything other than the fact that the reviewer was passionate about it one way or the other.
I don't give them as much weight as I would a 2 or 4 star review that actually states what they liked, what they disliked and most importantly WHY they rated the game how they did (You know, an actual review of the game in question).

All of the ratings have SOME value to me when I look at a game, but it is only after I have been attracted to the game by the tags that it is sporting. If I am not sure I want to waste the bandwidth to download a game, I will check out the reviews. If there is nothing that jumps out at me, like tons of buggy content, constant crashing, or pay walled content, I will probably give it a go even if it is a 'limp' 1-2 star game.
 

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I very rarely (considering the number of games flowing through this site) stop and give a game a fair review. Some of them are not my thing, so I don't rate them, some of them are so worthless I ignore them, and most of them I don't give them enough attention to actually be able to give a fair review for many a reason.

I have been around this site and others to know a fake review when I see one. I just didn't see these for the games I touched until recently and I was sad to see them pop up.

True, most are unable to give an objective rating because we're human, with our own different backgrounds which dictate our different likes and dislikes. That is why I usually try to touch graphics (no matter if it's ai cg, real porn, DAZ3D renders or similar, Unity or UE), writing, and then game mechanics.

As I said before, it's sad to see this kind of tactic taint this site too, and it is so because other players, take the time to play the games, and then take the time to write an honest review, while stinky cash-grabbing devs will go to crappy tactics to try to fish for gullible supporters.
 

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It'd be great if they managed to implement a setting that allowed automatic filtering of reviews you see. Like "hide reviews made by accs with less than X posts". Would cut most of those russian alpha 0,1s with perfect scores.
 

anne O'nymous

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It'd be great if they managed to implement a setting that allowed automatic filtering of reviews you see. Like "hide reviews made by accs with less than X posts".
There's members who only write reviews, and they aren't necessarily bad at doing it.

The two elements that could improve the review system, from a reader point of view, are:
1) The possibility to order by like (then to order the result by date).
2) The possibility for each user to built his personal list of trustworthy reviewers, their review being shown in top.
 
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Well, fake ins't the word i would have used for that you know. Contraditory may have fitted better, looking at what you meant.

People on that specific case of your example, may have despite pointing the flaws, liked the game. That's a chance.
Another would be that they had it reviewed but haven't polished the text and it would end up being confuse. Happens, after all none here are professional at doing reviews, we're all just a big bunch of porn game liking perverts. Usually the blood flow is going to the head down below on these lands.

When everyone can do something without any quality control, it can happen to be of bad quality, and so happens with reviews being unable to express the authors true opinion.
Although there's a report button on the reviews, so i guess it can be reported if it just happens to be a fake review meaning to bump a game.
 

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I am curious to see if other people found ratings like these and what are your thoughts?
Old news.
Nobody is really establishing any 'official' review standards here, so nobody moderates the quality of a review.
Anyone can boot their VPN, create a ton of accounts, and start writing any bullshit they like anywhere on the site.
Plus F95 staff is rather lazy so they will use any excuse to shirk on work, and since creating real review system means lots of extra work, it won't be happening. They can barely be arsed to take a look if someone reports something, forget actively policing shit. :ROFLMAO::coffee:

Plus:
people's expectation is pretty low in general
Is true.
Many simps here will be satisfied if you show them a couple boobie pics which they can mindlessly wank to, so that's an easy 5 star earned right then and there. :sneaky::coffee:

My recommendation as a fairly prolific reviewer would be to find people like myself who can be arsed to write decent reviews, and only read their reviews while ignoring the rest.
 
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Count Morado

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Ok then, let's talk specifics:
Take this game's reviews:
https://f95zone.to/threads/family-business-v0-11-familydev.162898/br-reviews#review-182965
I only returned to it because someone liked my review and I forgot which one it was. Then I looked above to see if it improved. What I saw is... well... you decide.
I see what you see -
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These three are very likely the same person. You wouldn't be out of place reporting them, if you desired. I don't honestly pay attention to reviews on here because far too many are shit - so I don't care enough to report them.

It is more fruitful for me to skim the last few pages of a thread to get a better picture of the quality of a game than to read the reviews on this site.
 
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Althrough 4-5 stars reviews may be helpful, being honest here, i don't pay much attention to them. I rather take a look at those 1-2 stars reviews and see what people who are madly pissed with that game has to say.

So instead of looking reasons to play a game i generally seek reasons not to play it. I mean, if i came to the point to look at the reviews im already interested in it, so, a look at the cons suits me better.

Also, people are curiously better and more factual while explaining why they hated something.

Just saying
 

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It'd be great if they managed to implement a setting that allowed automatic filtering of reviews you see. Like "hide reviews made by accs with less than X posts". Would cut most of those russian alpha 0,1s with perfect scores.
Some of the best reviewers on this site do not post a lot of forum comments. Which is just a good practice for one's sanity.

I am curious to see if other people found ratings like these and what are your thoughts?
Here's my (hot?) take. These are mostly real people. They just have garbage taste. I mean, someone is giving the game you linked money on patreon. Someone liked this game enough to give money. Surely, if that is true, then there are some people willing to give it at least 30 seconds to give it 5 stars and a minimum review. With one exception, their prophiles seem organic enough.

Oh, and another thing. Personally I have found it's much harder to write 5 star reviews than any other. Dunking on game's flaws is just easier.
 

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Althrough 4-5 stars reviews may be helpful, being honest here, i don't pay much attention to them. I rather take a look at those 1-2 stars reviews and see what people who are madly pissed with that game has to say.

So instead of looking reasons to play a game i generally seek reasons not to play it. I mean, if i came to the point to look at the reviews im already interested in it, so, a look at the cons suits me better.

Also, people are curiously better and more factual while explaining why they hated something.

Just saying
In all honesty, I look at all the reviews when I am interested in a game, it's not like all the games have dozens upon dozens of reviews, and this is especially true for games that I tried long ago and want to see what people think before committing the bandwidth (not a huge sacrifice but still...). Even so, sometimes I end up downloading them (if they don't get the abandoned tag) just because I am curious to see if the new reviews are right. It's also quite easy to see who just passed puberty (not always literally) and who's more mature so those reviews I usually ignore :)
 

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Some of the best reviewers on this site do not post a lot of forum comments. Which is just a good practice for one's sanity.

Here's my (hot?) take. These are mostly real people. They just have garbage taste. I mean, someone is giving the game you linked money on patreon. Someone liked this game enough to give money. Surely, if that is true, then there are some people willing to give it at least 30 seconds to give it 5 stars and a minimum review. With one exception, their prophiles seem organic enough.

Oh, and another thing. Personally I have found it's much harder to write 5 star reviews than any other. Dunking on game's flaws is just easier.
I agree, as a human being it's almost impossible to be objective and give a 5* rating unless you stick to some sort of system like I like to do (not always sticking to it). There's always something that will take that 0.5 stars away, be it bugs, optimisation, graphics, lack of content or poor mechanics and that's without going into one's kinks.

I would like to thank all of you who took the time to engage in this topic, I have learned a few things thanks to you.
 

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I see what you see -
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These three are very likely the same person.
Hmm, need a moderator to confirm, but I have doubts.
The last one can be suspicious since it's its first interaction since he created his account in 2017. But the two others have interactions that really feel humans, but do not intersect much.

They aren't really verbose, and shouldn't limits to the appearance, but is it really unusual for a review ?
It seem clear for me that the main difference between the high and low rating is purely subjective. High raters tend to praise the novelty, seen as a breath of fresh air the fact that, for once, an HTML game do not rely on stolen pictures and videos. This while the low raters tend to focus on a detestation for AI generated CGs.

But isn't it, in the end, what public reviews are for ? A way to let everyone express his subjective opinion accordingly to his own criteria, while highlight what they see as a positive point ?
What matter is the overall rating, it's the individual reviews. You read them, and you make your own opinion.
 

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Hmm, need a moderator to confirm, but I have doubts.
The last one can be suspicious since it's its first interaction since he created his account in 2017. But the two others have interactions that really feel humans, but do not intersect much.

They aren't really verbose, and shouldn't limits to the appearance, but is it really unusual for a review ?
It seem clear for me that the main difference between the high and low rating is purely subjective. High raters tend to praise the novelty, seen as a breath of fresh air the fact that, for once, an HTML game do not rely on stolen pictures and videos. This while the low raters tend to focus on a detestation for AI generated CGs.

But isn't it, in the end, what public reviews are for ? A way to let everyone express his subjective opinion accordingly to his own criteria, while highlight what they see as a positive point ?
What matter is the overall rating, it's the individual reviews. You read them, and you make your own opinion.
I agree that a moderator should confirm - that's the point of filing a report, right? I look at the composition of each of the reviews.

First sentence/thought:
  • "different from many other games"
  • "different than others"
  • "an unusual game" ... "different from similar games"
Second sentence/thought:
  • cool plot
  • "AI based images and videos, not simply copied from the internet"
  • "did not simply insert porn videos from the Internet, but worked on them using neural networks"
Third sentence/thought:
  • keep up the work, wishing the best
  • "I will definitely follow the updates"
  • "I will follow the updates"
The latest of the three doesn't quite copy/paraphrase/patchwrite the other two but the timeliness in comparison the second and using the same first sentence/thought as the second, as well as reacting to the second, raises doubts about individuality and person subjectivity. Simply doubts.

It could be that at least the latter two of the three are members where English is not their native language and decided to use a translator to read and compose similar messages. It could be the use of an online paraphrase tool to rewrite (I've actually seen students poorly do this, they've used the tool in classroom online discussion forums to plagiarize their own peer's discussion posts to pass off as their own).

Again, I don't read the reviews here (and take other public reviews for merchandise, etc with a grain of salt) because they are usually simply opinions rather than actual contextual critiques.
 
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