Fake reviews are now a thing on F95?

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anne O'nymous

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I look at the composition of each of the reviews.
What isn't necessarily a valid criteria here.

If you take the last review in date among those three, the member said good things about the game prior to the review. Then she(?) came back few days later, and took a look at the reviews (she liked one) before writing her own one. Is it that surprising then that the two reviews tend to look alike ?

Plus, "fake review", okay, why not... But with a 2017, Mai 2019 and Nov 2020 account that for two never wrote a review before ? Between 3 and 6 years before the fake account is used for something ? And with two of them being faked deeply enough to looks human (posts, accurate answer to questions, and consistent reactions), but not the third one ?
Or the three have been pirated. But then, only used once in two months ? Over doing it would be suspicious, but here it's under doing it.



Going further, accordingly to your criteria, a third of the reviews are fake ones. Because there's really a lot of reviews that follow the same, "that game isn't like the other, visually good, really promising, will follow" structure. A structure that just show that the reviewer had absolutely nothing to say and just wanted to give a 5 stars to a game (s)he loved.

It's the pitfall with the minimal content rule for the reviews. Most members will review over a feeling, what mean that they have nothing to say about the game except "I like it". From my point of view, what you point out is more a lack of imagination than a review manipulation ; they chains platitude until they reach the limits, and there isn't many possible platitude when it come to games here.
 
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Chill bro, it's just a pirate adult game forum's rating section. :rolleyes::ROFLMAO:
Dude, I'm not angry. I'm not full of angst about it. I was simply showing similarities. You're the one reading into it. Again, I don't care about reviews, in general, and especially on here. I was simply replying to and agreeing with OP that the it wouldn't be out of line to report the reviews for review based upon the similarities, on first blush. When AON responded to my reply, I continued the conversation. It's called a...

discussion.
What isn't necessarily a valid criteria here.

If you take the last review in date among those three, the member said good things about the game prior to the review. Then she(?) came back few days later, and took a look at the reviews (she liked one) before writing her own one. Is it that surprising then that the two reviews tend to look alike ?

Plus, "fake review", okay, why not... But with a 2017, Mai 2019 and Nov 2020 account that for two never wrote a review before ? Between 3 and 6 years before the fake account is used for something ? And with two of them being faked deeply enough to looks human (posts, accurate answer to questions, and consistent reactions), but not the third one ?
Or the three have been pirated. But then, only used once in two months ? Over doing it would be suspicious, but here it's under doing it.

Going further, accordingly to your criteria, a third of the reviews are fake ones. Because there's really a lot of reviews that follow the same, "that game isn't like the other, visually good, really promising, will follow" structure. A structure that just show that the reviewer had absolutely nothing to say and just wanted to give a 5 stars to a game (s)he loved.

It's the pitfall with the minimal content rule for the reviews. Most members will review over a feeling, what mean that they have nothing to say about the game except "I like it". From my point of view, what you point out is more a lack of imagination than a review manipulation ; they chains platitude until they reach the limits, and there isn't many possible platitude when it come to games here.
AON, you know that looking at phrasing, idioms, terminology, grammar, and structure are all valid criteria when evaluating writing. It's criteria I use daily in my endeavors with others' writings to consider whether they are original works or not, as well as the quality of their writing. Also, yes, reviews must have similar aspects in order to be called reviews, otherwise the different writings would be categorized differently (as essays, personal narratives, flash fiction, poetry, lyrics, whatever). But your retort about "accordingly... a third of the reviews are fake" is oversimplifying nearly to the point of hyperbole to attempt to make a point, no?

The older two are strikingly similar - though, yes, the newest is much less so. Your research showing the newest reviewer of the three said good things previously and then came back, posting a review on the same day as the second reviewer is noted. When I looked into what you said about the activity, I see that the day the newest reviewer made that comment in the thread is the only time they ever commented in the thread and was the same day as the first review. Coincidental and not fully expository, but interesting.

Your points about the pitfalls around reviews on this site (as well as, I would say, reviews made by the general public in any forum) I fully agree with. It's one of the many reasons I disregard reviews, as a rule.

But again, the thrust of my first comment and subsequent ones are that reporting them for a moderator to check into wouldn't be out of line based upon what is shown. You've stated "need a moderator to confirm." We are both saying the same thing in the end - although we have differing perspectives of authenticity/veracity.
 
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AON, you know that looking at phrasing, idioms, terminology, grammar, and structure are all valid criteria when evaluating writing. It's criteria I use daily in my endeavors with others' writings to consider whether they are original works or not, as well as the quality of their writing.
I'm not saying that your analyze is wrong. It's the accuracy of your conclusion that I'm questioning, as well as the validity of the method in that particular case.
There's apparently at least one reader that will need the emphasis.

Since you use this daily, you know better than me about it's main limitation. Below a reasonable length for the text it's not reliable enough. And here, we are face to reviews that are all below the 300 characters (space and punctuation included).
The possibility that it's pure coincidence, or that the last (in date) reviewer just copied the previous review, are as high than the possibility that it's wrote by the same person, or following the same template. Too short for the difference to effectively appear.
There's also at least one inconstancy, the use of two paragraphs in one of the review. This already tend to point to at least two different natives languages, or two different education level.

In such context (suspicion of opinion manipulation), the behavior is more significant than the, hmmm, let's say "writing logic" to stay simple ; at least unless there's clear evidence that an AI is behind the text.
I'll not give names, but there's a dev who's famous in his game thread for his attempt to praise his game by making fake account and talking with himself about how good his game his ; once Sam removed ~30 accounts in one go. You wouldn't have been able to effectively tell apart the legit members and fake ones just by their text. He was dumb when it come to hide his trace, but smart enough to write effective different posts.
Regulars just know when it's him because he's the only one to praise his below average (but not necessarily uninteresting) game as if it was a Nobel Price awarded works ; what was an improvement with the, "oh thanks you a lot for the love you show for my game", he used to answer to everyone at first, even those saying that it's pure shit... :rolleyes:


But your retort about "accordingly... a third of the reviews are fake" is oversimplifying nearly to the point of hyperbole to attempt to make a point, no?
Yes and no. I guess you know that it's a habit I have, I draw big fat lines to make the whole figure more discernible.
But it's not far from the reality. If you pick one game with at least a tenth reviews, and look at those reviews, there's really more chance that you find at least one that will looks like a copy/past of the three you pointed, than chance to not find one.
After, yes, of course, 1 over 10 is not a third. But when you look at games with pages and pages of reviews, you'll see tons of them, sometimes a full page ; mostly because people don't find something new to say about a game already over praised. And this compensate, leading, in the end, more or less to a third.
Side note, knowing you: Don't looks at games with pages and pages of reviews, you've surely better use for your time.


When I looked into what you said about the activity, I see that the day the newest reviewer made that comment in the thread is the only time they ever commented in the thread and was the same day as the first review. Coincidental and not fully expository, but interesting.
I know, I noticed it too. But it's pure coincidence.
If you want to write fake reviews, you'll not starts with the most suspicious of your accounts (no visible activities in 6 years, knowing that there's possibly a reset around late 2019). Especially if you are already connected with a way more legit account ; account that you'll later use to write a review for the game after the next update.


This being said, I must admit that, despite all the flaw the game can have, and therefore despite how legit and objective the bad reviews are, those three are rights. The arts is amazing AI work. from my point of view it's not enough to give 5 starts, but I understand why someone could want to do that.
 
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AON, you know that looking at phrasing, idioms, terminology, grammar, and structure are all valid criteria when evaluating writing. It's criteria I use daily in my endeavors with others' writings to consider whether they are original works or not, as well as the quality of their writing. Also, yes, reviews must have similar aspects in order to be called reviews, otherwise the different writings would be categorized differently (as essays, personal narratives, flash fiction, poetry, lyrics, whatever). But your retort about "accordingly... a third of the reviews are fake" is oversimplifying nearly to the point of hyperbole to attempt to make a point, no?

The older two are strikingly similar - though, yes, the newest is much less so. Your research showing the newest reviewer of the three said good things previously and then came back, posting a review on the same day as the second reviewer is noted. When I looked into what you said about the activity, I see that the day the newest reviewer made that comment in the thread is the only time they ever commented in the thread and was the same day as the first review. Coincidental and not fully expository, but interesting.

Your points about the pitfalls around reviews on this site (as well as, I would say, reviews made by the general public in any forum) I fully agree with. It's one of the many reasons I disregard reviews, as a rule.

But again, the thrust of my first comment and subsequent ones are that reporting them for a moderator to check into wouldn't be out of line based upon what is shown. You've stated "need a moderator to confirm." We are both saying the same thing in the end - although we have differing perspectives of authenticity/veracity.
first of all, i agree with you that the mods should look into it, because it is suspicious enough to warrant a look.

that said, if the three accounts had been created very recently, i would consider them fake without a doubt, but you can't ignore the strongest evidence that they are not fake... the account history of the three accounts. sure it's possible someone had an account sitting since 2017, as an example, but it raises a lot of doubt.

also, your point of evaluating writing to determine originality is only relevant as far as raising suspicions that 2 or more reviews are written by the same person. but that's the opposite to how it's usually done, like in education and academia. then the evaluator only has one work, and he wants to see if that work is original or copies someone else's work... meaning you have two different people writing a similar piece of work. so opposite to having two similar reviews being written by the same person. you can accuse f95 users of not writing original reviews, but that's not the same as the reviews being fake

High raters tend to praise the novelty, seen as a breath of fresh air the fact that, for once, an HTML game do not rely on stolen pictures and videos. This while the low raters tend to focus on a detestation for AI generated CGs.
the game relies on real porn though. it's been modified with ai.
and ai:s are trained with stuff used without permission... so if "stolen" art is a concern, you can say that this game does it twice over.
 

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the game relies on real porn though. it's been modified with ai.
and ai:s are trained with stuff used without permission... so if "stolen" art is a concern, you can say that this game does it twice over.
From my point of view, art inconstancy is more a concern when it come to use of real porn as CGs.
And there's also that strange feeling that something is wrong, that come for the obvious real life quality of the CGs coupled to the cheap looks of HTML games. What is probably the reason why those reviewer praised the game. I haven't tried it, but I get why it can looks amazing since the obviously AI processed CGs fit way more with the context.
It's like someone normally dressed, but put in a crowd of harlequins. He would strongly stand out, and looks way more well dressed than he effectively is.
 
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Fake reviews? wow that is wrong on some levels. People should be discrete and honest about what they think about another person's game honestly. if what people said in this thread is true that some people are giving fake reviews, people really should be more honest about making a review for a game.
 

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I think some of you may look too much into something that was used as an example. If I have not mentioned it before I will mention it now: I have seen this for other games, really bad to mediocre honest reviews and then you see a good bunch of short, "lazy", highly appreciative reviews giving 5* ratings, only for the bad to mediocre reviews to come back again and continue that trend. I see that as an effort to "balance" the reviews/rating on someone's part. I mean if 2-3 people find the game 1-3* and 2-3 people find the game 5* there isn't much to talk about, but when you have 1-2 pages of 1-3* reviews then a bunch of "lazy" 5* reviews all one after the other in a relatively short timeframe then the ratings go back to the previous 1-3* you must admit it looks rather suspicious... and that even if you haven't touched the game itself.

I think we are making this thing a bit too big for what it is. This is nowhere near as bad as google play store or apple's app store. Still, I do filter games by ratings and sometimes likes. The overall numbers do not affect the results so far. It's just annoying, and I wanted to see what other people think. Was not expecting people to go that deep into it :)
 

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I think some of you may look too much into something that was used as an example. If I have not mentioned it before I will mention it now: I have seen this for other games, really bad to mediocre honest reviews and then you see a good bunch of short, "lazy", highly appreciative reviews giving 5* ratings, only for the bad to mediocre reviews to come back again and continue that trend. I see that as an effort to "balance" the reviews/rating on someone's part. I mean if 2-3 people find the game 1-3* and 2-3 people find the game 5* there isn't much to talk about, but when you have 1-2 pages of 1-3* reviews then a bunch of "lazy" 5* reviews all one after the other in a relatively short timeframe then the ratings go back to the previous 1-3* you must admit it looks rather suspicious... and that even if you haven't touched the game itself.

I think we are making this thing a bit too big for what it is. This is nowhere near as bad as google play store or apple's app store. Still, I do filter games by ratings and sometimes likes. The overall numbers do not affect the results so far. It's just annoying, and I wanted to see what other people think. Was not expecting people to go that deep into it :)
we care about the reviews in your example being fake or not (written by the same guy(s) with alt accounts) because that's the one thing that gives some credence to your claim of fake reviews. aside from that, for all we know, you could be seeing patterns when it's just randomness.

if sometimes it happens that different people are giving 5 star reviews to balance out the score, what's the mods gonna do about that if they're legit reviews?

if the reviews are not fake, you could still be on to something that is more than just pure randomness. just as an example, perhaps sometimes a dev gets sad about all the 1-2* reviews so he asks people to give positive reviews if they like his game and a few fans do it. but unless someone is breaking some rule about review manipulation, it is what it is. either way, doesn't feel like a big concern even if what you're saying is true. a few 5* reviews in a sea of 1-3* reviews won't do much to change the overall score anyway.
 

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Agree 100%.
That is why I started this thread, to see if I am the only one seeing what's not there or if there is something more to it. It's just a discussion from which I have learned a few things.
 

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You just noticed it? XD
Sure, there are fake reviews, and I see it quite often were "people" publish their reviews almost instantly after the game got published, or describe things that aren't even accurate.
But still, I believe that most reviews that seem strange, come from a place of being biased and/or they have low expectations.
You see that very often with games that have certain fetishes, and/or good render quality, and 5* are pretty much guaranteed.
It can also be, that the reviewer has invested money in to the project, and therefore has a bias, or just wants to kiss ass, gives 5* and "offers" his ideas, like that would make the Dev listen.
 
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like that would make the Dev listen
Some devs are ridiculously easy to influence tho. Particularly the inexperienced ones.
Many even sell ways to influence themselves on patreon, like that content voting bs.
So yeah, not that hard in general. A bit of ass-kissing may just end up being sufficient lmao. :whistle::coffee:
 

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So I have seen this on a few games now. The reviews start as bad to mediocre and then you see a bunch of 3-4 lines of review saying it's the best game in the history of games and they all have 5* ratings without fail.

What is the point of having ratings if you're just going to "balance" the real ratings with 5* fake ratings?

I am curious to see if other people found ratings like these and what are your thoughts?
Yep, the f95 mods are favoring certain games like Blurring the Walls by allowing endless fake reviews to inflate the ratings. Thank god I don't donate to f95 or I'd be pissed.
 
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Oh, my God. There was such a heated discussion, and I missed it. Optimelle By the way, I made a couple updates here, maybe you want to change the game review?) :giggle:
 
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The best review for a game is looking at the number of times it was downloaded/viewed and the rating. I never read reviews, as I personally am horrible at writing them.

The search filters are amazing to help you find what you like best from here. The comments after an update also helps a ton, for me maybe more than a review.

Thus said, GL to all developers here: I hope you gather traction in any way shape of form ;). Some of you are amazing!
 
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