Others Fall of Haven [v0.7.6] [indyc]

[kkl]

missing ai tag

 

[indyc]

Please add the 'ai cg' tag, so I can filter it out and never see it again.

missing ai tag

I went through great lengths over the last 2 years to make the most detailed hand drawn paper doll system I've seen. It's not AI and I honestly don't know how someone could do all this with even today's tech.

Would either of you mind stating why you think it's AI? (Outside of the OP being mislabeled)

 

[rontremalo]

I went through great lengths over the last 2 years to make the most detailed hand drawn paper doll system I've seen. It's not AI and I honestly don't know how someone could do all this with even today's tech.

Would either of you mind stating why you think it's AI? (Outside of the OP being mislabeled)

The style, expressions, in particular how the eyes look is extremely ai. This sort of debate isn't very helpful because you'll just vehemently deny it. I think the best way forward for your reputation here is either to just honestly acknowledge it (plenty of people don't care, hell I even play certain games that use AI assets, like Mindware) or 2) just to do a couple of streaming sessions where you produce the art for your game. Artists do this all the time and people definitely watch, esp other aspiring artists. This would definitively establish that you're on the up and up, and I would absolutely apologize to you here in thread.

The thing is, your game mechanics and plot/story could be absolutely killer. But because it looks aigen and its not tagged as such, I conclude immediately that those other aspects won't be any good.

 

[Ashbest2000]

The style, expressions, in particular how the eyes look is extremely ai. This sort of debate isn't very helpful because you'll just vehemently deny it. I think the best way forward for your reputation here is either to just honestly acknowledge it (plenty of people don't care, hell I even play certain games that use AI assets, like Mindware) or 2) just to do a couple of streaming sessions where you produce the art for your game. Artists do this all the time and people definitely watch, esp other aspiring artists. This would definitively establish that you're on the up and up, and I would absolutely apologize to you here in thread.

The thing is, your game mechanics and plot/story could be absolutely killer. But because it looks aigen and its not tagged as such, I conclude immediately that those other aspects won't be any good.

It may look ai generated but its not

 

[Cucumburra]

It may look ai generated but its not

AI with shitty overpaints is still ai.

 

[SaintHusky]

I went through great lengths over the last 2 years to make the most detailed hand drawn paper doll system I've seen. It's not AI and I honestly don't know how someone could do all this with even today's tech.

Would either of you mind stating why you think it's AI? (Outside of the OP being mislabeled)

That's the thing. You don't owe a random nerd claiming "AI" an explanation. It's not like he's your livelihood. Just ignore and move on if it really isn't AI~. This isn't a good chunk of your patreon asking for an explanation. Also the Dude asking for a stream as proof. Lmao. The Audacity and Self-Entitlement. Bro's not owed anything.

 

[SaintHusky]

what the fk with flat breast fetishes D: like seriously that sounds like a very very dark fetish anyone with a decent mind would stay clear of : ( that borders line on something dark : (

That's a bit of a silly comment isn't it? Anyone can see what you're hinting at. And rn you're sounding like the twitter mob that's on a vendetta against flat women. Like... They exist? They get harassed online for exactly what you just said. Idk what else to tell you.

Like sure I prefer huge badonkers of the unrealistic variety, but that doesn't mean I can't acknowledge the opposite exists :v.

 

[Doragonx]

The end of this demo is at Tribe 2 map? There is a big wood gate at top of map, but I can't destroy it.

 

[NyanCatNyan]

In the graveyard area ghosts and evil spirits can possess you, giving you visions of sex and raising your lust. I think they can screw with your controls too but that I'm not sure about.

It can be pretty hard to get possessed without being knocked down first though, as ghost girls who get too close just get whacked by your sword.

My game usually gets too bugged for me to advance past level 2 so i never reached the graveyard xD

 

[NyanCatNyan]

The end of this demo is at Tribe 2 map? There is a big wood gate at top of map, but I can't destroy it.

you need to defeat the enemies in the level in order to open the gate

 

[Sorter]

This is the first issue I've heard with windows. (But honestly my sample size was low)

What is it saying? I can export a few other ways but it would be a far newer version.

It's not saying anything. The game just doesn't launch.

 

[Doragonx]

you need to defeat the enemies in the level in order to open the gate

I've tried this, but some goblins over watchtowers are unreachable, even clibing in woodwalls before. Maybe it's buggy here too.

 

[stewpudasso]

The reason it "Looks AI" is because it's a paperdoll system. The face and the expressions are drawn separately and layered onto the face. As are several other things. This may cause you to feel it's AI as you get just that touch of uncanny valley AI does since the facial features were added in post.

That and I've been following the development of this game for a while now. If it was AI there would be way more progress. (Not a dig Indyc, you do good work it just takes time.) 2 years in dev and two characters have most of their art? The whole thing about AI is being able to unload design after design. I get it, AI sucks. But you gotta be careful about witch hunting people doing the right thing as well.

TL;DR It's not AI.

 

[nightsight]

The reason it "Looks AI" is because it's a paperdoll system. The face and the expressions are drawn separately and layered onto the face. As are several other things. This may cause you to feel it's AI as you get just that touch of uncanny valley AI does since the facial features were added in post.

That and I've been following the development of this game for a while now. If it was AI there would be way more progress. (Not a dig Indyc, you do good work it just takes time.) 2 years in dev and two characters have most of their art? The whole thing about AI is being able to unload design after design. I get it, AI sucks. But you gotta be careful about witch hunting people doing the right thing as well.

TL;DR It's not AI.

what i been trying to tell them, they wont listen! why im starting to get annoyed. im sorry for the treatment thier getting.

 

[indyc]

The style, expressions, in particular how the eyes look is extremely ai. This sort of debate isn't very helpful because you'll just vehemently deny it. I think the best way forward for your reputation here is either to just honestly acknowledge it (plenty of people don't care, hell I even play certain games that use AI assets, like Mindware) or 2) just to do a couple of streaming sessions where you produce the art for your game. Artists do this all the time and people definitely watch, esp other aspiring artists. This would definitively establish that you're on the up and up, and I would absolutely apologize to you here in thread.

The thing is, your game mechanics and plot/story could be absolutely killer. But because it looks aigen and its not tagged as such, I conclude immediately that those other aspects won't be any good.

AI with shitty overpaints is still ai.

The hand drawn art is sourced from a Brazillian team and now I'm mostly working with a single member of it. While it's true that I don't have complete control of whatever they do, I am asking for revisions on a nearly daily basis and they are spot on with even the most minor of changes.

I think most of the AI comments are coming from that stupid smile photo that was taken as WIP art that I was showing people on my Patreon back in September. Honestly the smile expressions were the toughest ones to get right.


I'm not the artist (though I've learned to do much of the pixel art myself) but here area few pictures I was able to find going back through discussions and revisions for this or that. I have literal years of these revisions and how the back and forth went every day.

Do their smiles have the uncanny valley? I actually agree!

We almost gave up on smiles because we didn't think we could pull them off. The initial pose was not drawn to ever expect those expression changes and that was part of my scope creep. I think my artists are incredibly skilled and an amazing value but giving them that smile may have been beyond the ability of anyone I could find or afford.





Even if I was tempted to go the AI route I don't even think it is advanced enough to do this many paperdoll overlays. I'm also not technically savvy. I have over a thousand hand drawn assets in the game already that are all layered together in a coding nightmare. Please enjoy it if it sounds like something you would like and ignore it if it doesn't.

EDIT: I just noticed that main uncanny valley photo of the thread IS even a work in progress smile. This is what the one in game looks more like (still not amazing but hopefully a bit more canny):


I know I don't owe anyone evidence and I bet whatever I could trawl up isn't enough for everyone. Just know that lose money every month to pay into this game as a gamble for the future. Please don't burn any witches without solid evidence when my livelihood is counting on this gamble paying off one day.

 

[indyc]

That's a bit of a silly comment isn't it? Anyone can see what you're hinting at. And rn you're sounding like the twitter mob that's on a vendetta against flat women. Like... They exist? They get harassed online for exactly what you just said. Idk what else to tell you.

Like sure I prefer huge badonkers of the unrealistic variety, but that doesn't mean I can't acknowledge the opposite exists :v.

Yeah let's not kink shame anyone who is into flatter chests and not assume that anyone is into that sort of thing. I have art for chest, clothing, and everything else that is with flat, to a cup, to b, and to the default you see in some of those "screenshots" but those are not and will not be implemented for many months.

The end of this demo is at Tribe 2 map? There is a big wood gate at top of map, but I can't destroy it.

My game usually gets too bugged for me to advance past level 2 so i never reached the graveyard xD

you need to defeat the enemies in the level in order to open the gate

I've tried this, but some goblins over watchtowers are unreachable, even clibing in woodwalls before. Maybe it's buggy here too.

You do not need to defeat all of the enemies on that map to proceed. (the game will tell you when you need to kill x enemies)

This was an older bugged build that probably is not tracking damage that the gate takes as a bug.

It's not saying anything. The game just doesn't launch.

That's really strange, are you sure you are finding the correct exe? What is the file name you are trying to launch?

The reason it "Looks AI" is because it's a paperdoll system. The face and the expressions are drawn separately and layered onto the face. As are several other things. This may cause you to feel it's AI as you get just that touch of uncanny valley AI does since the facial features were added in post.

That and I've been following the development of this game for a while now. If it was AI there would be way more progress. (Not a dig Indyc, you do good work it just takes time.) 2 years in dev and two characters have most of their art? The whole thing about AI is being able to unload design after design. I get it, AI sucks. But you gotta be careful about witch hunting people doing the right thing as well.

TL;DR It's not AI.

This was also my assumption as well by why so many people are calling it AI.

I so wish I could have gone back and gone for a lower detail, more stylized look knowing how large of a scope it now has and will have. It would have saved me tons of money and given me art far faster. The credits already even have all of the artist names and companies btw...

 

[nightsight]

wasn't trying to kink shame or anything just those that prefure women with small to none breasts on purpose tends to rub a wrong way with me. . . my appoligizes