VN Ren'Py Falling Undercover: Nox Syndicate [v0.06.0] [Azienda]

[NTRforLife]

there is zero way for you to reasonably prove that the people complaining are in any way not a minority with out seen a major drop in sub counts. in fact graphs show that they had a drop before the update came out and it has gone back up since the update. so you seem to be even more wrong about the people commenting not being a minority


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They make the updates longers 40days so membership may have gone down and then they renew it when episode 6 came out and at the same time episode 1-5 are really good that is why they also get new members So you have to wait and see after episode 7 is released and see what it looks like just before they release episode 8 because many are waiting for episode 7 right now and after that decide if they should continue to support them and since it is a 40 days update the membership will expire just before episode 8 comes out

They make good 2d ntr games you cant take that away from them but people are just shocked what happend with episode 6 so now a group of supporter are waiting for episode 7 to make a decision after that

At the same time that episode 6 will do so they get many new fans suppporters who like Aiden POV so then they expect more POV from Aiden and would be angry if everything just become Luna POV they have to make a distribution 2 Aiden POV and 3 Luna POV and then the next episode you take 3 Aiden POV and 2 Luna POV and that is exactly how they should have done the scene in episode 6 that Luna POV was 3 scenes where she does all the new things and 2 scenes where from Aiden POV no one would have complanied like this

It makes me think of a suggestion some wrote in here for episode 7 that Luna have sex and blowjob to Aiden and through that she gets thoughts about the scene with Vargas so we get to see the deepthroat and the importan parts from that scene That she compares everything she does with Aiden to what she did with Vargas in episode 6 I personally am against a scene like this Because I think it is an easy way out and i want Luna whole POV scene But if they manage to make such scene well people will probably be satisfied and I can neither file a report nor get my full POV scene with Luna and then they win over me and I simply have accept it But i dont think they would be able to do such a good scene as they have never done it before that would give such a strong feeling regarding how Luna compares Aiden and Vargas in the same scene And if they dont make it really good people wont like it

 

[Miracle.]

My dumb ahh thinking this is a master class strategy of Azienda

To think that 2 CGs are wasted on foreplay stuff, instead of it being 2 things in the silhouette scenes.

It's ok that there was foreplay for the buildup because the truck foreplay with Vargas and Luna was extremely erotic and makes the anticipation of the sex scene even higher. I think that it's ok if the release of Episode 6 gets delayed if we are getting more high-quality CG's of Luna getting pounded for hours behind the curtains. Still hyped for Ep. 7 and what Azienda will bring to the table.

 

[Miracle.]

Waaaay too much controversy. No one's posted their latest WIP on this thread for example, it's just this debate still going on.

True, but I can't really blame those who are disappointed with the update especially when you omit a core part of the heroine's POV. While Aiden's side was done real justice, I'd like to think this would've been a peak update if Azienda just said that it would take a wee bit more time to release the episode, which would've garnered more interest because he's "cooking" something special.

 

[Graxenof]

Exactly, that's why you (SenMizeri) should go to pages like "graphteon" that, although it may not be 100% reliable information, you can see the "trend"

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This is a great resource, thanks for linking. Does anyone know if the total Patreon member count is all-time or just current? If so, 1,293 paid members out of 12,209 either all-time or current is very telling. That's around 10.59% subscriber retention, but I highly doubt there are only 1,293 people playing this game. This thread alone has around 1 million views since it's creation back in April.

there is zero way for you to reasonably prove that the people complaining are in any way not a minority with out seen a major drop in sub counts. in fact graphs show that they had a drop before the update came out and it has gone back up since the update. so you seem to be even more wrong about the people commenting not being a minority


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Unfortunately I am more willing to believe that this isn't a case of vocal minority considering the Azienda discord server has almost no activity in the Aiden POV channel, even after the EA release of the episode. Quite literally, there has been no activity in that channel since the 15th. The All POV channel on the other hand is constantly being updated with messages. Now of course that isn't empirical data, but temporal persistence, and the lack of signs towards "silent agreement" have me leaning more towards this being a major discussion in the community as of right now.

 

[res987]

Does anyone know if the total Patreon member count is all-time or just current?

i think "current"

but I highly doubt there are only 1,293 people playing this game. This thread alone has around 1 million views since it's creation back in April.

why that "doubt" ?, remember this is a page of

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of porn games

 

[Graxenof]

 

[ryg88]

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[ryg88]

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the comments do make an interesting proposition though:

if the devs ever make a 6.5 with additional Luna nurse POV then it might be a double-edged sword: while it would lead to additional CGs from Luna's POV, it might normalize the dev caving in to pressure. (in a way, that's always been the tension between the artist and patrons since time immemorial)

 

[SecretLettuce]

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Spooky costume incoming? Don't know what it'll be but its a treat to see more of her.

I'll give the benefit of the doubt that they did listen to most of the feedback they got. Think it's best to wait for the next update post just like last time.

if the devs ever make a 6.5 with additional Luna nurse POV then it might be a double-edged sword: while it would lead to additional CGs from Luna's POV, it might normalize the dev caving in to pressure. (in a way, that's always been the tension between the artist and patrons since time immemorial)

Probably would happen after they're done with making FUNS rather than having it be shoved into their ongoing work for the 7th episode. A bit of concession is always going to happen to appease any upset patrons, but I agree that making it regular would probably make their work look foreign to them since now it would be patrons deciding what the story should be, which would not be great.

I've said this before last time but it wouldn't kill them to make still CGs of the FMV's pov, probably like a brief flashback of her rutting to extend the aftersex scene. Doesn't need to be animated, more or less just give a clearer visual context of what was going on behind the curtain even if everyone knows what really was going on there. That said, I understand what the devs were doing with this episode, and like the last post I made not something to lose sleep for since its a smut game.

This thread alone has around 1 million views since it's creation back in April.

That's crazy to think about it though for an ongoing work to have a million views. Then again, maybe a small chunk of that view is from one guy who couldn't get enough with Azienda's work and have to constantly visit this thread every second for updates.

 

[Miracle.]

if the devs ever make a 6.5 with additional Luna nurse POV then it might be a double-edged sword: while it would lead to additional CGs from Luna's POV, it might normalize the dev caving in to pressure. (in a way, that's always been the tension between the artist and patrons since time immemorial)

That's why there should be a balance between pursuing creative direction and listening to critical feedback. There's nothing wrong with listening to genuine concerns regarding the game's state, but at the same time, letting other people shove you and stepping on your authority isn't healthy either, as it can lead to quality imbalance.

Too many options can lead to a loss of identity of the game as it tries to appease every kind of player at once. Azienda should just focus on the strengths of his work and then later on work upon the shortcomings after the groundwork has been established.

 

[robs1234]

i would be happy even if they make her pov with the silhouette still, i dont care that much that we rly didnt see the scene it is what it is, but i wanna hear their conversation and what they talked about . edit the silhouette animation and add the text in her pov and i am good so that would not be much work. dont need to make another 5 CGs

 

[Nefurien]

A game is art. Even just a sketch is art. Now, a game full of drawings (art), writing (art), animations (art) and music (art) is not art?

This is a great resource, thanks for linking. Does anyone know if the total Patreon member count is all-time or just current? If so, 1,293 paid members out of 12,209 either all-time or current is very telling. That's around 10.59% subscriber retention, but I highly doubt there are only 1,293 people playing this game. This thread alone has around 1 million views since it's creation back in April.

All members doesn't mean the number of people that paid at least once, it's the number of free followers. You can't assess subscribers retention from graphtreon, only growth. And if you check all other creators, they have a similar paid members/followers ratio, roughly 1/10, sometimes 1/15-20.

Unfortunately I am more willing to believe that this isn't a case of vocal minority considering the Azienda discord server has almost no activity in the Aiden POV channel, even after the EA release of the episode. Quite literally, there has been no activity in that channel since the 15th. The All POV channel on the other hand is constantly being updated with messages. Now of course that isn't empirical data, but temporal persistence, and the lack of signs towards "silent agreement" have me leaning more towards this being a major discussion in the community as of right now.

Aiden POV channel is not to discuss about Aiden POV, it's a channel for people who only play Aiden POV, without touching Luna's. It's empty because very few people can play for 2 years a netorare game without checking the female POV once. Even the dev wrote in the first message that basically no one will write there. It was made though, because if there's even a single person playing Aiden POV only, they have a space to talk about it.

 

[a47356441]

I find it incredible that some people only play Aiden's perspective but not Luna's perspective, but I won't hold any opinions about it. I just think that they have missed out on so many good things.

 

[Nefurien]

I find it incredible that some people only play Aiden's perspective but not Luna's perspective, but I won't hold any opinions about it. I just think that they have missed out on so many good things.

Well they don't usually just skip it. With many Japanese netorare games you first play the full male POV and then the female one. Sometimes with the female scenes in the gallery, or in a sort of NG+

 

[Graxenof]

All members doesn't mean the number of people that paid at least once, it's the number of free followers. You can't assess subscribers retention from graphtreon, only growth. And if you check all other creators, they have a similar paid members/followers ratio, roughly 1/10, sometimes 1/15-20.

Correct, which is why I was curious about how they tally the member count. Is it total all time users, or just current? I believe that distinction matters when evaluating engagement trends. Sure, we can't assess exact retention data, but those ratios still function as indirect indicators of community interest/engagement. And since we're working with limited info, it's reasonable to extrapolate a tad bit.

Aiden POV channel is not to discuss about Aiden POV, it's a channel for people who only play Aiden POV, without touching Luna's. It's empty because very few people can play for 2 years a netorare game without checking the female POV once. Even the dev wrote in the first message that basically no one will write there. It was made though, because if there's even a single person playing Aiden POV only, they have a space to talk about it.

I mean sure, but you’d expect that after such an Aiden heavy episode, players focused on his POV would show at least some enthusiasm compared to the All/Luna POV enjoyers. This was a PEAK episode for all the Aiden bros out there, so the silence in that channel still stands out to me. I do expect there to be less discussion overall given the nature of his POV, but for the channel to be near dormant says quite a bit, and I can't really ignore that when trying to look at all the angles. But what do you think the reason for that is?

 

[Nefurien]

Correct, which is why I was curious about how they tally the member count. Is it total all time users, or just current? I believe that distinction matters when evaluating engagement trends. Sure, we can't assess exact retention data, but those ratios still function as indirect indicators of community interest/engagement. And since we're working with limited info, it's reasonable to extrapolate a tad bit.


I mean sure, but you’d expect that after such an Aiden heavy episode, players focused on his POV would show at least some enthusiasm compared to the All/Luna POV enjoyers. This was a PEAK episode for all the Aiden bros out there, so the silence in that channel still stands out to me. I do expect there to be less discussion overall given the nature of his POV, but for the channel to be near dormant says quite a bit, and I can't really ignore that when trying to look at all the angles. But what do you think the reason for that is?

People use the all POV channel for everything, so even those who talked about this episode's content, they did it there. I think people playing Aiden POV only, for months and months without ever giving a peek at Luna's are less than 1%. Maybe even less. That's why that channel is not used much.

We need to see to two channel as "People who are playing all POVs. / People who are playing ONLY Aiden POV month after month."

When the game will be finished it'll be different though. For first-time players, playing an Aiden run and then a Luna one will be something many more would like to try.

 

[DeMaSh]

I find it incredible that some people only play Aiden's perspective but not Luna's perspective, but I won't hold any opinions about it. I just think that they have missed out on so many good things.

I normally play Aiden first for each chapter, then go back and do Luna POV to see what really happened.

 

[SenMizeri]

Exactly, that's why you (SenMizeri) should go to pages like "graphteon" that, although it may not be 100% reliable information, you can see the "trend"

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That screenshot is from there, you can see that graph for yourself. All I talked about was interest in the game being the only thing you can actually gauge.

What's going on is just drama from the actual game, not excitement. That's not going to be good, and I do hope Azienda learns something about how they take feedback from fans.

This wasn't some sort of "artistic intent", they're running a business model and they do listen to fans, but I think they mistook cuck lovers criticisms as being much bigger than it actually was. Anyone who's followed them long enough know they listen to feedback. They say it themselves.

There are two general types of NTR lovers: the cuckold and the corrupter. One enjoys watching the emotional breakdown of the cuck, and the other enjoys the corruption of the FMC. Straight dudes mainly wanking over another dudes misfortunes or self inserting themselves as the cuck are more niche than people wanking over the thought of corrupting an innocent and resistant hot woman. There's a gradient to this too - you get people in between the two extremes.

It's a bit silly to think the former is the majority of their fan base or most NTR games fan base - hence why exclusively mystery NTR games aren't as common or as big. Azienda would be silly to dismiss the feedback, and criticism from this version just because it satisfied the mystery NTR lovers.

 

[res987]

All I talked about was interest in the game being the only thing you can actually gauge.

no, no use the google trends because "azienda" its a common italian word, translated its "agency" its more in spanish have a word which sound similar to "azienda" its called

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its has multiple used (that no all the use for that word).
I understand you the disappointment of the update and you explain very well why it is disappointing but be careful in bringing some things that are so easy to explain in a more logical way.

 

[luccel]

That screenshot is from there, you can see that graph for yourself. All I talked about was interest in the game being the only thing you can actually gauge.

which you can't gauge the way you did cause the search term you used was the game devs name which has more than one meaning. so nothing you have done has proven your point on it not being the loud minority