HTML Abandoned Female Agent [v1.20.1p] [Crushstation]

[ajsimps]

Do you guys ever like to revisit the old threads like this one and wonder where all the people who used to defend the creator are ?

ROFL. YA GOT ME

This thread is an endless source of fun. I make sure to check it every couple months.

 

[IjjKpoe]

Exactly. People expect this and that... That's the whole issue you guys are having here.

I play many F2P games, WarThunder would be one example. If I pay for a "premium tank" or a "premium account" - that is what I get.

Now, I can "expect" that the developer will use my money to update a game with my favourite historic tank or WWII tank that is themed as "My Little Pony Wagon", but that is my expectation, not an obligation that the developer has to fulfill.

My point is, that it seems that you're ragebaiting yourself, with unfound expectations.

I'm sorry for having minimum expectations about something.

Sorry for asking someone who's being paid thousands to do any work.

I'm extremely sorry for using my brain.

I guess?

7/10 ragebait, do better.

For real what kind of idiocy is your argument?

 

[Majus]

The amount of "thousands" is irrelevant. Developer could receive €0.01 or €1B, that doesn't change how the project or product is structured.
But it's fun to see how someone else receiving a certian sum of money, can trigger such seething contempt in some poeple.

Your "minimum expectations" are just expectations. They don't define the project, so there is no need to be sorry.

I don't think we'd be able to have a discussion on this. I'll be back again, in a few weeks, to see if there is any progress made by community here.

 

[Spawk]

I wish they'd stop before Crush completes his impending nervous breakdown

Honestly, I stopped understanding what you're talking about a long time ago. What nervous breakdown? From receiving money and doing nothing? A truly stressful situation. Poor Crush . This is why you can't let scammers communicate with their victims.
Judging by the impressions I get from your posts, you blame everyone but the developer. It's Patreon, the stupid patrons who want something from Crush . There's only one Crush hostage to the situation, a perfectionist who chose a platform that doesn't punish you for doing nothing, and for doing nothing while getting paid. It's all the platform's fault, because it doesn't punish patrons either, because they're the ones paying and wanting something.

The amount of "thousands" is irrelevant. Developer could receive €0.01 or €1B, that doesn't change how the project or product is structured.

Only a child who doesn't understand the value of money and time would say something like that. Crush's earnings allow him to quit his job and focus solely on this project.

 

[IjjKpoe]

The amount of "thousands" is irrelevant. Developer could receive €0.01 or €1B, that doesn't change how the project or product is structured.
But it's fun to see how someone else receiving a certian sum of money, can trigger such seething contempt in some poeple.

Your "minimum expectations" are just expectations. They don't define the project, so there is no need to be sorry.

I don't think we'd be able to have a discussion on this. I'll be back again, in a few weeks, to see if there is any progress made by community here.

I'm sorry let's go to your dear War Thunder Games and tell them "yoooo dudes, do the same work with this 1 cent since the project will be the same as if we paid you 1b"

Let's be clear; I wouldn't be EXPECTING crush to release nothing if he was doing FA motu propio and not being paid, just because he enjoy developing.

Now, someone being paid handsomely and -promising things- i expect something in return from that inversion people did.

It's hard for me to understand how and WHY SHOULD I EXPLAIN BASIC THING TO YOU that anyone over 18 with at least half day working on his CV should know.

A Patreon project if fking defined by expectations, the amount of money being introduced into a project are the fking expectations and your only damn premise is "Crush shouldn't be affected by PEOPLE PAYING HIM expectations" it's the most absurd thing i ever read.

Every 2 or 3 weeks randomly appears someone who defends crush for whatsoever reason and each of you just blurts any idiotic argument that has no fking sense.

Honestly, the rage-baiting was fun 5 months a go when Beep-Boop promised us that Crush would share with us his new update ON JANUARY, ON FKING JANUARY AFTER 2 YEARS ON PAUSE, this is not fun anymore. Just fking randoms defending a guy who's laughting at your face while counting your hard earned money you wasted on his project.

 

[menatv]

I still find it hilarious that people still defend this dev. Think about it. It's been how many years since it was first started? And like 2+ years since any meaningful update has been released?

Also it's not like he's doing thousands of renders per update. Or some complex animations he has to create. It's basically a glorified text based game and it's STILL nowhere close to being finished. Not even getting a really meaningful update. It's not like we expect much...just you know...evidence it's actually being worked on.

 

[Senor Smut]

Honestly, I stopped understanding what you're talking about a long time ago. What nervous breakdown? From receiving money and doing nothing? A truly stressful situation. Poor Crush . This is why you can't let scammers communicate with their victims.
Judging by the impressions I get from your posts, you blame everyone but the developer. It's Patreon, the stupid patrons who want something from Crush . There's only one Crush hostage to the situation, a perfectionist who chose a platform that doesn't punish you for doing nothing, and for doing nothing while getting paid. It's all the platform's fault, because it doesn't punish patrons either, because they're the ones paying and wanting something.

If that's what you're getting from me, then clearly reading for comprehension isn't your strong suit.

I just typed out a long explanation of my views, carefully addressing every point you made. And then I deleted it, because you obviously wouldn't comprehend that either. It's a lesson I have to keep in mind on the internet: never play chess with a pigeon.

 

[Majus]

I still find it hilarious that people still defend this dev. Think about it. It's been how many years since it was first started? And like 2+ years since any meaningful update has been released?

Also it's not like he's doing thousands of renders per update. Or some complex animations he has to create. It's basically a glorified text based game and it's STILL nowhere close to being finished. Not even getting a really meaningful update. It's not like we expect much...just you know...evidence it's actually being worked on.

I'm not defending the dev, but arguing technicallities here. I haven't seen anyone defend the dev here in a long time. If you want to express your disspointment with the dev, then I'm all for it, I defentily understand the dissapointment. I'd love this game to get finished someday too, but I doubt that this "developer" is likely to deliver.

The problem I have, is when people conflate and misuse or misunderstand terms such as: "paid", "charity", "expectation", "work", "patronage", "scam" and so on and end up making fallacious/false statements. That is also the reason for big part of confusion which leads many people here to even deeper frustration and resentment.

Basically, people's emotions here are understandable, but their logic is flawed. I'm just being picky about semantics and argumentative on logic. Mostly for the reason of these people being rude and me enjoying ideas or "figuring things out", mental stimulation.

If your comment on defending the dev was "inspired" by my post, then you're also part of the problem. Typical case of "/s woosh", I guess.

I'm sorry let's go to your dear War Thunder Games and tell them "yoooo dudes, do the same work with this 1 cent since the project will be the same as if we paid you 1b"

Let's be clear; I wouldn't be EXPECTING crush to release nothing if he was doing FA motu propio and not being paid, just because he enjoy developing.

Now, someone being paid handsomely and -promising things- i expect something in return from that inversion people did.

It's hard for me to understand how and WHY SHOULD I EXPLAIN BASIC THING TO YOU that anyone over 18 with at least half day working on his CV should know.

A Patreon project if fking defined by expectations, the amount of money being introduced into a project are the fking expectations and your only damn premise is "Crush shouldn't be affected by PEOPLE PAYING HIM expectations" it's the most absurd thing i ever read.

Every 2 or 3 weeks randomly appears someone who defends crush for whatsoever reason and each of you just blurts any idiotic argument that has no fking sense.

Honestly, the rage-baiting was fun 5 months a go when Beep-Boop promised us that Crush would share with us his new update ON JANUARY, ON FKING JANUARY AFTER 2 YEARS ON PAUSE, this is not fun anymore. Just fking randoms defending a guy who's laughting at your face while counting your hard earned money you wasted on his project.

Why don't you stop "paying" this dev and just fire him? That's what any sensible employer would do.

 

[orellion]

Only a child who doesn't understand the value of money and time would say something like that. Crush's earnings allow him to quit his job and focus solely on this project.

I'm doubtful he quit his day job, regardless of what he might say. Once you split the money halfway to pay his artist, then take out fees and taxes (around 30% give or take some), it's not a living wage. It's a very fruitful side gig, but ultimately, one he doesn't need.

 

[yewfella]

The problem I have, is when people conflate and misuse or misunderstand terms such as: "paid", "charity", "expectation", "work", "patronage", "scam" and so on and end up making fallacious/false statements. That is also the reason for big part of confusion which leads many people here to even deeper frustration and resentment.

If you don't define it as either work, receiving charity, or receiving patronage, I'm curious to know what you do define it as.

 

[Majus]

If you don't define it as either work, receiving charity, or receiving patronage, I'm curious to know what you do define it as.

I never said that I "don't define it as either work, receiving charity, or receiving patronage". Did I? The problem is in conflating these terms into fallacious statements.

The important part is the structure and nature of the project. The base game is F2P, with optional "premium" version. This would be a very simplistic/crude definition.

Then, you'd have to define and articulate what F2P or Freemium model is and how this whole Patreon side works, but looking into the past, such discussion wouldn't really work here or at least, it would trigger most people that post here.

One of the most often mentioned fallacies, consisting of the terms you mentioned, would be "paid" + "work". That would, esentially entail a contractual work, something like a "commision". I'd love to see someone pull out a contract or a receipt where this dev accepted such work. Obviously, I doubt that such contract/receipt exists, but that won't stop people talking about the dev being paid to do work as if they're obligated to do so, by a contract, which realistically is non existent.

 

[bebopalot]

Guys can you all maybe just agree to disagree and give it a rest? This argument has been going round and round in circles for months. I used to enjoy visiting this thread to laugh about Crush's updates, now I dread every notification I get from it.

 

[Majus]

I agree to disagree. But it would be cool if we could give a rest to all the nonsense posts about scams and wages too.

It would be way more interesting to discuss about the game, as in, game mechanics, potential story, etc.
Posts by people whining, on how they're being scammed into paying a "sizeable" wage and get no product back, got old long time ago...

Edit: has anyone recently played trough the game? Is there anything new in it, as in RPG framework being developed, or is it still a linear story with fake choices?

 

[Spawk]

I'm doubtful he quit his day job, regardless of what he might say. Once you split the money halfway to pay his artist, then take out fees and taxes (around 30% give or take some), it's not a living wage. It's a very fruitful side gig, but ultimately, one he doesn't need.

I doubt I would have seen him if he'd made a request for some clothing pack a long time ago and now adds one or two sets in an update. It's literally a very weak graphic element based on the characters' bodies, over which you simply add clothes. It's not at all difficult to do, and there aren't even that many pictures. Given the incredible speed of the updates, I highly doubt he keeps an artist on payroll; more likely, he just contacts me occasionally and asks for something to be drawn.

If that's what you're getting from me, then clearly reading for comprehension isn't your strong suit.

Well, I'm sorry (not). The first post I read of yours was about your personal communication with the developer, which boiled down to "he's really trying."
Then came "Patreon is such a terrible platform, it doesn't check developers"—that's bad, of course, but I think the main fault lies with him.
Now

Crush's Patreon imposes no obligations on him except that he will take the money and do...something. Well, he's doing something. He's not producing playable content that extends the story of the game, but he's doing something. Should anyone be satisfied with that? Hell no, they should take their money and run. But that's their choice, and if they choose to continue hucking money down a hole, that's their decision. I wish they'd stop before Crush completes his impending nervous breakdown

The developer's patrons are such terrible people! They should take his money or he'll have a nervous breakdown!!!

So that's what's causing this? He's released one half-baked update in two years, and if his patrons are lucky, he might finish this update in three years. He's living a comfortable life with constant prosperity and the ability to do nothing, but sometimes you need to lull people into a false sense of security with personal interactions and the words, "I'm working on it, working hard, trust me, bro." He said this here too—even then, I was laughing at him. He'd so sweetly tell me, "I'm so sorry I don't live up to your expectations" or "I'm the main person who's not divided by my work." Oh, yes, he really didn't live up to them, because now there are two years between updates, and that's what I expected from him. It was obvious this would happen even when the reboot happened. Well, how did we figure out that this is obvious only to pigeons from 2005, and not to people from 2025?

 

[Prawnstar69]

Did you seriously just try to use Google AI to win an argument? Jesus Christ

Nah, just too lazy to type when even basic concepts seem intentionally misunderstood.

Basic concept - words have meaning. Game dev makes games. This game been baking since 2017, recooked twice. Still less than half baked.

Their broken record - misplaced expectations. Didn't realise the expectation police are on this forum. Clarifications - then what are correct expectations? Nothing, that's great?

How long is the appropriate amount time before people are allowed to call out bad behaviour in 2025? Never? Asking for a friend, because fans of Crush seem allergic to timelines too.

That's the circular argument that going on. At this point, I just feel bad for them because "Those who stand for nothing, fall for anything." But don't call it a scam, that'll trigger another allergic reaction.

 

[CassieBare]

I agree to disagree. But it would be cool if we could give a rest to all the nonsense posts about scams and wages too.

It would be way more interesting to discuss about the game, as in, game mechanics, potential story, etc.
Posts by people whining, on how they're being scammed into paying a "sizeable" wage and get no product back, got old long time ago...

Edit: has anyone recently played trough the game? Is there anything new in it, as in RPG framework being developed, or is it still a linear story with fake choices?

No, there's nothing (essentially) new in the game. There's auspices of RPG systems but no way to identify if any of them actually matter or do anything. It's still 100% linear with those dumb 'three option answers' that don't lead to anything different or do anything -- some of which are blocked out because of your 'stats'.

While I agree that it'd be 'nice' to get to discussing the game, it's been over two years since there's been anything to discuss. So there really isn't anything else to do in this thread except discuss his creation practices or lack thereof.

 

[Ripe]

Only a child who doesn't understand the value of money and time would say something like that. Crush's earnings allow him to quit his job and focus solely on this project.

I'm not so sure he quit his job... considering he claimed his job was "project manager" and we all can see just how competent he is with his work on this, it's far more likely he was fired for gross incompetence and costing the company money paid in penalties for failing to meet a deadline. At best he was simply "asked to resign" to not have being fired (and reason for it) on his resume...

 

[yinAzura]

Who's with me that prefer the artwork of the 1.6 version instead of the current one?

 

[Spawk]

I'm not so sure he quit his job... considering he claimed his job was "project manager" and we all can see just how competent he is with his work on this, it's far more likely he was fired for gross incompetence and costing the company money paid in penalties for failing to meet a deadline. At best he was simply "asked to resign" to not have being fired (and reason for it) on his resume...

Good for him, I mean, if he could regularly deliver content updates, I wouldn't mind if he wrote code with his own feet, even with AI help. The problem is, he can't; apparently, work is a higher priority.

 

[chino222]