HTML Abandoned Female Agent [v1.20.1p] [Crushstation]

[ffive]

You know...
There is Xtardew for general sex or the Devious Valley if you are into gay pixels...

I confess i've never actually player Stardew Valley, but this makes me waver in my decision a little.

 

[voerman]

I have never played it either. I do keep an eye out on what games get adult mods that I would not have ever expected.
Replacing all furniture in Stardew Valley with bound, naked himbos was really not on my bingo card.
Before that I thought the XCOM mod that allows aliens to abduct your female soldiers and impregnate them was strange.
On the other hand, after Starbound became Sexbound, why am I surprised by anything?

 

[bebopalot]

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That's almost painful to read

It's weird that he's sticking with the "writer's block" excuse when the todo list he posted yesterday clearly shows most of the remaining tasks are completely unrelated to writing:

 

[Troqu]

It's weird that he's sticking with the "writer's block" excuse when the todo list he posted yesterday clearly shows most of the remaining tasks are completely unrelated to writing:

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Almost everything under writing except 3 points starting with "write" sounds like a coding task not a writing one... and even those might be coding tasks depending on what got redacted.

Not that this checklist means anything. I can make up a list of things to do that I never intend to and say its pending too.

 

[Majus]

Do you guys ever like to revisit the old threads like this one and wonder where all the people who used to defend the creator are ?

I'm not sure if this dev was ever really defended. It's not always about the creator, but laughing at people's backlash.

Even in this thread people are throwing fits over scams...? Others throw tantrums over how "wrong" some people are for having extra disposable income and them choosing to gamble it away with an N% chance for the game to possibly get an update.
It's this tantrum-fueled-bandwagon with some extra to it. There are also some comments that are reasonable. But many comments here are pretty "interesting". *popcorn.gif*

The amount of words consolidated in Crush’s so called “transparency report” over the period of 2 years since the last release would probably made up couple of progressive updates by now

Some praises are in fact actually written by Crush to rally some sort of positive fans amidst all the excuses over the period.

How do you know that? Do you have access to Patreon's back end servers or something?

 

[Vibesy]

I'm not sure if this dev was ever really defended. It's not always about the creator, but laughing at people's backlash.

Even in this thread people are throwing fits over scams...? Others throw tantrums over how "wrong" some people are for having extra disposable income and them choosing to gamble it away with an N% chance for the game to possibly get an update.
It's this tantrum-fueled-bandwagon with some extra to it. There are also some comments that are reasonable. But many comments here are pretty "interesting". *popcorn.gif*


How do you know that? Do you have access to Patreon's back end servers or something?

I know it's difficult to believe but Crush has been frequently defended in this thread. If you bothered reading through its 400 pages you would know that.

Regarding Crush's patreon output (his real job), anyone with reading comprehension can see that many 1000s of words & cute pictures have been posted during the last two years. Naturally that dwarves his output for the actual "game" over the same period which currently stands at nada. If he applied the effort and creativity he devotes to patreon into game development there might actually be a game, but it's a question of priorities and we all can see where his lie.

 

[Majus]

I know it's difficult to believe but Crush has been frequently defended in this thread. If you bothered reading through its 400 pages you would know that.

Regarding Crush's patreon output (his real job), anyone with reading comprehension can see that many 1000s of words & cute pictures have been posted during the last two years. Naturally that dwarves his output for the actual "game" over the same period which currently stands at nada. If he applied the effort and creativity he devotes to patreon into game development there might actually be a game, but it's a question of priorities and we all can see where his lie.

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I believe, I'm not the only person that has issues with finishing what they started, for whatever reasons that tends to happen. And this game's development is a prime example of such thing.

This being a job or a side project doesn't really change anything, does it? I sometimes think about making a small game myself:

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But I don't think I'd want to make it, especially after I read some stuff people claim here. We have people discussing this game's development and complaining of being scammed... On a forum with free downloads. Come on...
People being able to see priorities of someone... No one really knows the reasons or intentions of the developer, besides the dev himself. (Or why I struggle to finish MMOs.) Anyone claiming to know this for sure, are basically coming up with gossip. These are called "assumptions".

My point is that, while this dev really messed up along the way. Most people here are equally, if not more, wishy-washy with their claims and interpretations.

 

[bebopalot]

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I believe, I'm not the only person that has issues with finishing what they started, for whatever reasons that tends to happen. And this game's development is a prime example of such thing.

This being a job or a side project doesn't really change anything, does it? I sometimes think about making a small game myself:

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But I don't think I'd want to make it, especially after I read some stuff people claim here. We have people discussing this game's development and complaining of being scammed... On a forum with free downloads. Come on...
People being able to see priorities of someone... No one really knows the reasons or intentions of the developer, besides the dev himself. (Or why I struggle to finish MMOs.) Anyone claiming to know this for sure, are basically coming up with gossip. These are called "assumptions".

My point is that, while this dev really messed up along the way. Most people here are equally, if not more, wishy-washy with their claims and interpretations.

I think most people here are laughing about him being a scammer rather than complaining that they are being scammed directly. You can debate the definition if you like but ultimately he's being paid to produce something and he isn't producing anything.

If Crush is struggling to work on the game he could easily say so. But instead he regularly claims that he's been working solidly for 9 hours every day of the week. Just mysteriously he never makes any meaningful progress during these 63 hours of hard work. The obvious disparity between how much work he claims to be doing and how much game he appears to be creating is what most people in this thread are laughing about.

 

[Edhinor]

But I don't think I'd want to make it, especially after I read some stuff people claim here. We have people discussing this game's development and complaining of being scammed... On a forum with free downloads. Come on...

Well, I for one can see how people feels scammed.

Yes, we are on a pirate site. But this is a very niche sector of videogames. I use this to get to know new games, to try them, see if I like them, and then I do support devs in Patreon, or buy their games on Steam, or at Kagura's site, or other sites. I prefer using this site because the tags (imperfect as they are some times) and the filtering really help me find the games I like.

In my case, I started supporting Crush and did so for 3 months. That is 15 Euros, which I consider a very fair price for what is basically a short novel. I buy regularly videogames on Steam for 10-20 Euros. However, in this case, the game I was "sold" was not complete, and, not only that, but once I saw the shenanigans that Crush got up to on Patreon, I cancelled my membership.

If updates had been stable I would have supported for far longer.

Some people have supported him for years, and have nothing for it since at least 2 years ago. Do they not have a right to feel scammed?

So yeah, this is a pirate site, and we complain. I am willing to bet good money that if devs were somehow able to completely get rid of this site, they would see less sales, less support on Patreon, and less income in general, not more.

 

[orellion]

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I believe, I'm not the only person that has issues with finishing what they started, for whatever reasons that tends to happen. And this game's development is a prime example of such thing.

This being a job or a side project doesn't really change anything, does it? I sometimes think about making a small game myself:

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But I don't think I'd want to make it, especially after I read some stuff people claim here. We have people discussing this game's development and complaining of being scammed... On a forum with free downloads. Come on...
People being able to see priorities of someone... No one really knows the reasons or intentions of the developer, besides the dev himself. (Or why I struggle to finish MMOs.) Anyone claiming to know this for sure, are basically coming up with gossip. These are called "assumptions".

My point is that, while this dev really messed up along the way. Most people here are equally, if not more, wishy-washy with their claims and interpretations.

You're intelligent so will ask: how much evidence do you need? Over 2 years without an update on a twine game that uses minimal pictures and no videos. He just needs to write. Even one scene a month would keep his audience happy (they are very devoted). Is he a perfectionist? Maybe, but logic should set in at some point there are no Pulitzer prizes to be won writing smut in an H-game. You might be correct some are posting out of envy here, but all arrows point to Crush being dishonest, lazy, and stringing people along. I don't know if taking $3 a month from someone qualifies as a "scammer" though.

 

[Majus]

I think most people here are laughing about him being a scammer rather than complaining that they are being scammed directly. You can debate the definition if you like but ultimately he's being paid to produce something and he isn't producing anything.

If Crush is struggling to work on the game he could easily say so. But instead he regularly claims that he's been working solidly for 9 hours every day of the week. Just mysteriously he never makes any meaningful progress during these 63 hours of hard work. The obvious disparity between how much work he claims to be doing and how much game he appears to be creating is what most people in this thread are laughing about.

I will argue the definition, since I love arguing or discussing in general.

I guess people are calling him a scammer as an emotional response. But words have meaning in more contexts than one. If he was really a scammer, his Patreon page would get closed, I believe? I think he is based in United Kingdom, so he would also get some prison time too. Do people here really think that he's a felon (scammer) and should sit in prison? Again... Many users here are overly emotional Karens that are throwing random words around.

Well, I for one can see how people feels scammed.

Yes, we are on a pirate site. But this is a very niche sector of videogames. I use this to get to know new games, to try them, see if I like them, and then I do support devs in Patreon, or buy their games on Steam, or at Kagura's site, or other sites. I prefer using this site because the tags (imperfect as they are some times) and the filtering really help me find the games I like.

In my case, I started supporting Crush and did so for 3 months. That is 15 Euros, which I consider a very fair price for what is basically a short novel. I buy regularly videogames on Steam for 10-20 Euros. However, in this case, the game I was "sold" was not complete, and, not only that, but once I saw the shenanigans that Crush got up to on Patreon, I cancelled my membership.

If updates had been stable I would have supported for far longer.

Some people have supported him for years, and have nothing for it since at least 2 years ago. Do they not have a right to feel scammed?

So yeah, this is a pirate site, and we complain. I am willing to bet good money that if devs were somehow able to completely get rid of this site, they would see less sales, less support on Patreon, and less income in general, not more.

And that's a very reasonable approach to purchases. I feel that many people don't have the foresight/experience to go about it this way, so now they regret their choices and feel bitter about it. I'm not against this site or people here. It's just that what people say have implications.

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- Technically, the game is free. People are "paying" for a visual upgrade and a cheat menu, essentially.
- Patreon is not a "contract for services" provider, but a donation platform. Legally, content is "sold" "as is" and the developer has no obligation to release any further content.

Ethically, he really messed up. But that doesn't justify him being called a scammer.
Some users now have a learning opportunity on entitlement, which is leaving them bitter and upset, which in a way is their own fault. Crush was essentially a learning tool. It's just that some people isntead of learning decided to come here and act petty.

My main pain point here is the fact that people think that they can donate money to someone and later bully them into acting this or that way. That is just rotten.
Again, I sometimes think about making my own garbage game... But oh boy, I defenitely can't see some random Karens online having a say over how/if/when I develop the game or even if I do that at all, just because they threw a few coins my way. People donating also doesn't automatically give them some moral high ground. I guess I'd be way more upfront about this than Crush, but in principle I see this situation the same way. People are upset, so they act petty. Oh well.

 

[Majus]

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[bebopalot]

As I mentioned, definition depends on the context.
Look at your quote again: "A scam ... is an attempt to defraud a person". Can you prove that Crush's intention or "attempt" is to deceive or "defraud" people into paying him money? A scam is something that is done intentionally. The problem here is that it's impossible to prove this either way, so people are assuming here... Yes, the situation is sad and unfortunate, but I can't say or see that people were deceived into giving him money.


It's not about finances, but people being petty. I have donated for a game for six months until I canceled (since there were no new updates). I haven't left any bitter comments about the developer or the project, since I understand what "donation" is. Some people appearently can't grasp that concept.
Now, I'd love for people to be able to toss me few coins so I can get some RedBull as a "thanks man, love your game". But there will defenitely be some Karens who will try to spoil this. Very small part of community using their donation (gift) as a justification for slander (such as being called a scammer, while that is not the case) is one example of what I'm talking about. That's the problem.


I wouldn't charge people for the game. I would do the same thing that Crush did - release the game free of charge.

Also, this is really f-ed up: "... develop it at the pace people supporting you expect."
- Development does not depend on their expectations, but developer's intention.
- Supporters have no right to dictate the development with their expectations - it's not their project.
- Supporter expectations have no input in how/what/when work gets done - developer is not their employee.
- "Supporters" and their expectations are not a contractual obligation - developer is not being paid a wage.
- These people and their expectations can simply **** off.
- I don't need these toxic power dynamics or these "our expectations or else!!1" threats. I doubt anyone does. Especially when the game is free.

Do you for rexample outline your expectations after you give someone a gift or contribute to a charity...?


Did Crush really (like really, explicitly) solicited for donations? Sorry, I don't follow his discord/whatever, so I might have missed that.

Sorry, I deleted that comment soon after posting it as I decided I had better things to do than argue over the definition of words.

 

[Vibesy]

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It's not about finances, but people being petty. I have donated for a game for six months until I canceled (since there were no new updates). I haven't left any bitter comments about the developer or the project, since I understand what "donation" is. Some people appearently can't grasp that concept.

So you are arguing that Crush is a charity case who accepts donations? Or that he should be showered with gifts like baby Jesus? Because of his sheer brilliance that one day, when the stars align, he might out of pure benevolence choose to share with us, his humble & mute devotees, the result of his eternal quest for nirvana maximum hotness? That is all a rather naively utopian vision of a creative who relies on contributions from supporters to create. And this is F95 not discord...

Also, this is really f-ed up: "... develop it at the pace people supporting you expect."
- Development does not depend on their expectations, but developer's intention.
- Supporters have no right to dictate the development with their expectations - it's not their project.
- Supporter expectations have no input in how/what/when work gets done - developer is not their employee.
- "Supporters" and their expectations are not a contractual obligation - developer is not being paid a wage.
- These people and their expectations can simply **** off.
- I don't need these toxic power dynamics or these "our expectations or else!!1" threats. I doubt anyone does. Especially when the game is free.

Do you for rexample outline your expectations after you give someone a gift or contribute to a charity...?

Sorry to pop your bubble but out in the real world even charities are subject to accountability, reporting requirements and meeting donor expectations. Crush is running a business and generating substantial income from this game, which he claims is his full-time job. He is very upfront on discord that he won't develop the game without that cashflow. If criticism bothers him as much as it bothers you there is a simple solution: he can stop billing or close down his patreon. Or he could also throw some words on the page & publish a few paragraphs every month or two... you know like what professional writers do. Clearly neither of those solutions are within the realm of possibility for Crush.

Somehow I doubt Crush is in any way perturbed by the situation or criticism. Anyone who has followed this for any length of time knows that multi-year delays are a feature not a bug. The amusement comes from Crush's creativity in explaining those delays and witnessing his blatant emotional manipulation of supporters via his patreon, which apparently (based on your post) is still quite effective.

 

[Majus]

So you are arguing that Crush is a charity case who accepts donations? Or that he should be showered with gifts like baby Jesus? Because of his sheer brilliance that one day, when the stars align, he might out of pure benevolence choose to share with us, his humble & mute devotees, the result of his eternal quest for nirvana maximum hotness? That is all a rather naively utopian vision of a creative who relies on contributions from supporters to create. And this is F95 not discord...



Sorry to pop your bubble but out in the real world even charities are subject to accountability, reporting requirements and meeting donor expectations. Crush is running a business and generating substantial income from this game, which he claims is his full-time job. He is very upfront on discord that he won't develop the game without that cashflow. If criticism bothers him as much as it bothers you there is a simple solution: he can stop billing or close down his patreon. Or he could also throw some words on the page & publish a few paragraphs every month or two... you know like what professional writers do. Clearly neither of those solutions are within the realm of possibility for Crush.

Somehow I doubt Crush is in any way perturbed by the situation or criticism. Anyone who has followed this for any length of time knows that multi-year delays are a feature not a bug. The amusement comes from Crush's creativity in explaining those delays and witnessing his blatant emotional manipulation of supporters via his patreon, which apparently (based on your post) is still quite effective.

No, I'm not. I don't think so, but I'm not religious, so... Umm? Allright, let's assume, and? I'm aware. I hope that answers your questions.

Again, he didn't handle this well. So for him to close these donations and end this would be an option. Another option could be taken by his contributors, by doing some soul searching on what putting money into patreon entails. There are many possibilities... The world is your oyster or as we could put - a bubble...

Critique is one thing, making up fantasies and justyfing toxicity as a belief system is something else. And please, don't confuse my enjoyment at disecting fallacies as a defence for crush. I never supported him financially or took him seriously. (Why would anyone do that is way beyond me.) I'm just tired of Karens going reeeeeee and ruining the vibes. But hey, whatever makes you feel more validated. When you feel more calm, if you really want to dsicuss something or have some ideas/arguments, do reply. But I'm not into answering whatever this condescending comment was. Namaste.

 

[Beefy_McAwesomesauce]

I'm just tired of Karens going reeeeeee and ruining the vibes. But hey, whatever makes you feel more validated. When you feel more calm, if you really want to dsicuss something or have some ideas/arguments, do reply. But I'm not into answering whatever this was. Namaste.

What vibes are you referring to? Even a cursory glance at this thread could have told you where the wind was blowing in regards to what most of us think of Crush. If anyone is "ruining the vibes" here, it would be you with your useless milquetoast viewpoint of what he's done with his game.

Regardless of whether or not the game is a legitimate scam, which is arguable either way, the fact that he has repeatedly stopped development to go back and redo parts of the game that no one cares about (and spent literally years doing it) constitutes such a failure of development that the end result is the same; people pay money for a product that never comes.

To me, this whole situation reminds me of what Elizabeth Holmes did with Theranos, and I don't see how anyone can see it otherwise.

 

[Majus]

What vibes are you referring to? Even a cursory glance at this thread could have told you where the wind was blowing in regards to what most of us think of Crush. If anyone is "ruining the vibes" here, it would be you with your useless milquetoast viewpoint of what he's done with his game.

Regardless of whether or not the game is a legitimate scam, which is arguable either way, the fact that he has repeatedly stopped development to go back and redo parts of the game that no one cares about (and spent literally years doing it) constitutes such a failure of development that the end result is the same; people pay money for a product that never comes.

To me, this whole situation reminds me of what Elizabeth Holmes did with Theranos, and I don't see how anyone can see it otherwise.

I learned a new word: "milquetoast". Tho I'm not sure how that applies to me... And I'm not familiar with your Elizabeth refference, so pardon my ignorance.

But yeah, I totally agree with you. It's a failed project with a troubled development. Hom many times do I have to repeat that? I'm not arguing for this dev being great, but for part of the community being ... rotten immature, for the lack of a better word.

Like with my previous example... There was a game that got abandoned and I stopped supporting it after six months since the last update.
Now, I could do what most people arguing here do: resubscribe, then accuse the developer of scamming me. omegalul These are the vibes that I'm reffering to. But why would I ever do that? Surely, such behaviour is insane.

Most people's argument here fo rsuch behaviour is that they're swooned by developer's posts on depression and it is so effective on them, to the point of these posts being a gun pointed to their head for the reason of extorting scamming money from them.

People support this game for the same reason they supported it the last month, or month before that, or month before that and so on... It's about developer's posts on depression and hard work behind the scenes. Some support this for the sake of supportin gthe dev and the game having higher likelyhood being finished. Others do it for more funny reasons.

My point is that this doesn't make the developer a scammer and that people are just trying to power trip on the idea of the developer being their employee that's slacking off (scamming), based on them donating a dollar ... while they have the track record from last two years...

People are just ... weird, man. Am I still missing something? Edit: can you also explain me how "milquetoast" applies to me, etc? Thanks.

 

[Spawk]

As soon as someone says no one will defend a Crush, such a defender appears. Well, at least we can ask him how he feels when a developer tells him how, after a week of hard work, the game code has shrunk because something needed to be removed because the previous month's work was unsatisfactory, and it took a whole week to remove what had taken a month to complete.
Laughing at Patreon victims who are being openly scammed is immature behavior, and laughing at this scammer is also immature. After this, I remember that the person who created Expedition 33 was a Ubisoft manager who didn't understand anything the game developers were telling him during meetings. He thought it was wrong, and after coming home, he studied how games are made in his own time. First, you toil eight hours at what everyone considers a soulless corporate machine, and after work, you come home and try to improve, then you create your own project and recruit people to release the game of your dreams.
How pathetic and stupid that is! You can write a few lines and milk people's money from Patreon. Don't laugh at such a great person as Crash; he achieved success without putting in any effort. Respect him!!!

 

[Beefy_McAwesomesauce]

I learned a new word: "milquetoast". Tho I'm not sure how that applies to me... And I'm not familiar with your Elizabeth refference, so pardon my ignorance.

But yeah, I totally agree with you. It's a failed project with a troubled development. Hom many times do I have to repeat that? I'm not arguing for this dev being great, but for part of the community being ... rotten immature, for the lack of a better word.

Like with my previous example... There was a game that got abandoned and I stopped supporting it after six months since the last update.
Now, I could do what most people arguing here do: resubscribe, then accuse the developer of scamming me. omegalul These are the vibes that I'm reffering to. But why would I ever do that? Surely, such behaviour is insane.

Most people's argument here fo rsuch behaviour is that they're swooned by developer's posts on depression and it is so effective on them, to the point of these posts being a gun pointed to their head for the reason of extorting scamming money from them.

People support this game for the same reason they supported it the last month, or month before that, or month before that and so on... It's about developer's posts on depression and hard work behind the scenes. Some support this for the sake of supportin gthe dev and the game having higher likelyhood being finished. Others do it for more funny reasons.

My point is that this doesn't make the developer a scammer and that people are just trying to power trip on the idea of the developer being their employee that's slacking off (scamming), based on them donating a dollar ... while they have the track record from last two years...

People are just ... weird, man. Am I still missing something? Edit: can you also explain me how "milquetoast" applies to me, etc? Thanks.

I think you're vastly overestimating the amount of people in this thread who are still subscribed to him. Honestly, I would be surprised more than a handful of us are paying him anything at all currently. The reason why some of us are unhappy about this isn't because we're losing money now, but rather because we lost money on this in the past. For example, I supported him for quite a while, until he did his first big reboot of the game and I realized it wasn't going to go anywhere for a long time.

I would bet that most people who still come to this thread are like me, who comes back every once in a while to see if anything has progressed yet. It never does, but it is amusing to read the justifications for why not.

I called you milquetoast because what you're saying about Crush comes off as a defense of him, even if you're not intending it that way. Your argument seems to be that he's just incompetent, while perhaps having good intentions in the sense that he's still ostensibly trying to develop the game. The argument from most of us here is that game is a scam, regardless of whether or not Crush is intentionally running the project as a scam. The fact that you're taking the fence-sitting position of not supporting him but also not being against him is what makes your stance on this milquetoast.

 

[Spawk]

I think you're vastly overestimating the amount of people in this thread who are still subscribed to him. Honestly, I would be surprised more than a handful of us are paying him anything at all currently. The reason why some of us are unhappy about this isn't because we're losing money now, but rather because we lost money on this in the past. For example, I supported him for quite a while, until he did his first big reboot of the game and I realized it wasn't going to go anywhere for a long time.

I would bet that most people who still come to this thread are like me, who comes back every once in a while to see if anything has progressed yet. It never does, but it is amusing to read the justifications for why not.

I called you milquetoast because what you're saying about Crush comes off as a defense of him, even if you're not intending it that way. Your argument seems to be that he's just incompetent, while perhaps having good intentions in the sense that he's still ostensibly trying to develop the game. The argument from most of us here is that game is a scam, regardless of whether or not Crush is intentionally running the project as a scam. The fact that you're taking the fence-sitting position of not supporting him but also not being against him is what makes your stance on this milquetoast.

I've heard the economic term "sunk cost"—it's when you invest money in something but don't see any results (though in theory, you could get the final result). Since you've already spent the money but want to get your investment back, you keep investing. I have a simpler term for this: "the casino effect," which apparently happens to Patreon subscribers. You pay the creator, and then the creator gives you content, but at some point you start getting nothing but lip service explaining why there's no content, but you've already invested so much, so you keep paying.