HTML Abandoned Female Agent [v1.20.1p] [Crushstation]

[Senor Smut]

"All that Crush has ever claimed on Patreon is that donations will help him work on the game. Not produce the game, much less produce the game to a specific schedule."

i'm sorry but this is just some weird way to excuse something using semanthics. If you produce you work, if he works he produces therefore your phrase is absurd. He hasn't done any update in over 20 months, that isn't working nor producing. He has had the game on a perpetual stand-by for over 6 years, 6 years of barely working nor producing.

We can discuss the legallity of his actions, but something that can't be discussed it's the morality of those actions. How can he be paid *HANDSOMELY* every month to WORK and release a game and still be on the exact same development point as 4-5 years a go?.

Not promising a definitive deadline and just giving some vague "soon update coming" it's just a way to avoid responsability knowing there won't be any pushover from his patreons. Not promising any specific schedule dosn't make it less scamm-y.

If he is burnt out he should not cash off patreons expecting ANY WORK, wait untill he thinks he's Ok and resume payment when ANY work is shown.

I'm not excusing anything, I'm just stating facts to rebut one or two people who were talking about legal action against Crush. Be angry all you want -- you have good reason -- but don't waste anyone's time by taking this to a lawyer. That is all I was saying in that post.

 

[Senor Smut]

I wonder why he hasn't mentioned that in any of the transparency reports and only ever brings out the positive "On discord, XX brought up that the heroine was not hot enough".

Just to be clear: I'm not calling you a liar, I believe you. It's just that, well, he made an awful choice when he called them transparency reports.

Let's not mention the fact that his "todo list" that shares on the transparency report is censored.

I fully agree: his transparency reports are opaque. That point is frequently raised by multiple people on his Discord these days, and he sees and responds to those comments -- I don't believe his responses are adequate, but he does respond.

 

[dasflute2]

Has anyone ever gotten to look at his supposedly hundred-plus page development document? I would really love to see that, especially since I fully buy he would spend a lot of time generating a basic "outline" for where he wants to take the game (outlining is a lot easier than actually working on a finished product, I know that) and at this point that's probably the closest thing anyone will get to a new update.

 

[Vibesy]

Has anyone ever gotten to look at his supposedly hundred-plus page development document? I would really love to see that, especially since I fully buy he would spend a lot of time generating a basic "outline" for where he wants to take the game (outlining is a lot easier than actually working on a finished product, I know that) and at this point that's probably the closest thing anyone will get to a new update.

No, Crush has never published a legible image of his MOAB (Mother of all BS), which supposedly runs over 200 pages and was designed to boost writing speed.

My guess is it looks something like this:

 

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Has anyone ever gotten to look at his supposedly hundred-plus page development document? I would really love to see that, especially since I fully buy he would spend a lot of time generating a basic "outline" for where he wants to take the game (outlining is a lot easier than actually working on a finished product, I know that) and at this point that's probably the closest thing anyone will get to a new update.

Looking at the excerpts he's shared in patreon (and very ocasionally, discord), I'm willing to bet most of those pages are "I've seen this picture and I like it, let's redraw it and include it in the game"

 

[Spawk]

And?

You said we need to look at how the project is being implemented; there haven't been any updates in over a year. You said we need to look at the reaction of the community—it's negative. By your own standards, this is a failed project.

I decided to just "deal with it" and I suggest/hope you do the same.

My God, you're so funny. You act like you're the only adult in the world of children and now you've come to explain life to us. We're "deal with it" too; we've acknowledged that the developer is a scammer who doesn't deserve support, and all he can get from us is ridicule for his latest post about why patrons are getting a post and not an update.

 

[orellion]

No, Crush has never published a legible image of his MOAB (Mother of all BS), which supposedly runs over 200 pages and was designed to boost writing speed.

My guess is it looks something like this:

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Oh damn, we'll have to keep axes out of his reach.

 

[thhunter]

One trap Crush has fallen into is thinking what he releases is going to be a final, etched in stone product that everyone will judge him on. Even if it doesn't measure up on his "hotness" scale initially, he can always tweak it in future updates. The important thing now as we close in on 2 years is something juicy story wise gets released.

That would require actual work.

 

[Senor Smut]

Has anyone ever gotten to look at his supposedly hundred-plus page development document? I would really love to see that, especially since I fully buy he would spend a lot of time generating a basic "outline" for where he wants to take the game (outlining is a lot easier than actually working on a finished product, I know that) and at this point that's probably the closest thing anyone will get to a new update.

IIRC he has shared it around with his higher-tier patrons and/or his inner circle. Some of them have publicly commented on it. But as far as a general showing, no.

 

[Majus]

You said we need to look at how the project is being implemented; there haven't been any updates in over a year. You said we need to look at the reaction of the community—it's negative. By your own standards, this is a failed project.

My God, you're so funny. You act like you're the only adult in the world of children and now you've come to explain life to us. We're "deal with it" too; we've acknowledged that the developer is a scammer who doesn't deserve support, and all he can get from us is ridicule for his latest post about why patrons are getting a post and not an update.

Update is an outcome of a project - a product... A product is not the structure of the project... Reaction is important, but if it stems from a fallacy or erroneous thinking, that could also be importnat, no...? Things are sometimes more complex than they can appear to be...

My man, improve your reading/cognition skills. You're totally missing the point I was arguing. I don't want to argue with you, because you just won't be able to comprehend the discussed matter. I've seen this plenty of times... Some people, in my country, judge the whole state's economy by the price of sausage. Nothing else is comprehendable by them, the price of sausage is the only existing economic factor to them. "A financial budget? Is it tasty, can me eat financial budget?" Can you discuss economics with someone as daft as that? I believe that you can try, but it is a waste of time. And I aknowledge, that I won't be able to discuss this project with you, in good faith ... and I acknowledged that you're an idiot a few pages ago. There's just no way to help it. Sorry. Please, I'm asking for a third time or something... don't talk to me, please.

Edit: Found ignore button, hope it helps. hah...

 

[Spawk]

Update is an outcome of a project - a product

Next time you go to eat, eat an post update instead of food if the update is also a project outcome for you.

You're totally missing the point.

Your point is a game with the definition of the word and the statement "until the court says he's a scammer, he's not a scammer."

Some people, in my country, judge the whole state's economy by the price of sausage. Nothing else is comprehendable by them, the price of sausage is the only existing economic factor in their mind. Can you discuss economics with someone as daft as that?

If people cannot afford basic goods and services, they can draw conclusions about the state of their economy. I'm amazed that I have to explain such obvious things.

And I aknowledge, that I won't be able to discuss this project with you

You understand it again, my friend. How many more times will you understand it? I'm waiting for another namaste.

 

[Majus]

Next time you go to eat, eat an post update instead of food if the update is also a project outcome for you.

Your point is a game with the definition of the word and the statement "until the court says he's a scammer, he's not a scammer."

Yes, words have defined meaning, but definitions are not a game. And I replied to many points here. But on that specific point, my take was different, than what you stated here. And that wasn't even my main argued point, which you missed, I guess, as always.

If people cannot afford basic goods and services, they can draw conclusions about the state of their economy. I'm amazed that I have to explain such obvious things.

They can't? Food prices increased by 16%, wages increased by 80% (but we're going to ignore this because we're daft AF) - economy is in the gutter.
Yes, you can draw conclusions. But some conclusions are false, formed arbitrarily, fallacious, ill-informed... ewww

You understand it again, my friend. How many more times will you understand it? I'm waiting for another namaste.

Namaste. I don't know, I guess every time I read any reply of yours, lol. I guess untill I get demoralised by your trolling completely or somehow your insistance on me arbitrarily adopting the conclusion, that you want me to adopt, works out for you. Maybe I'll just ignore your replies, as I've done previously, as I should've.

The funny thing with you is that you go off-topic, very often. You're not really trying to argue any points either, but argue the person themselves, because they're disagreeing with you, right? You keep repeating the same thing again and again, which will lead nowhere, friend. Argue my logic and my arguments. That would be easier, if you actually read what's written. But thinking of it now, it could also be a purely emotional issue, right? People feel that they were cheated, even if that isn't true technically, feelings are still valid-ish. IDK.

This is just un-cool, like totally. Can't we just agree to disagree? Or are you going to quote one word from me again and tell me that there was no update released for a year, again(again(again(again(again(again(...))))))? Like I'm totally not interested in that. *ugh* eww...

 

[SuperMaxo]

Come on, guys, get a room!

 

[gymnopedies]

what there is not the update yet...... lol....

 

[vicaddict]

I'd bet that he never produces another update that advances the plot; I would also be willing to bet that he had a full breakdown and ends the project within a year, because, damn, that dude is right on the edge of collapse.

I haven't talked to him, but I believe it. All jokes aside he's reached a point where nothing he could release would satisfy anybody. It's been almost two years. I am pretty sure that he made the decision to bring back the lifepath, because he didn't know how to move forward, but didn't know how to connect them either.

The longer he waits, the more people will criticize him. Rightfully so. After all, lets be honest, his progress has barely ever been progress. I mean, there are still placeholders in places that he never bothered to fill with anything. Pretty much every other developer would have filled the blanks at any point. He just moved on, writing scene after scene, not knowing how to connect any of it.

I would agree. There won't ever be another update, because he knows that he can't deliver anything. Not even to the most devoted of fans. "Best case" scenario? He releases the update and walks away, leaving it to others to finish it.

 

[Dracis3D]

IIRC he has shared it around with his higher-tier patrons and/or his inner circle. Some of them have publicly commented on it. But as far as a general showing, no.

The 'MOAB' exsits, not seen it for years. Basic crux of it is a Google Sheets with scene outlines. Now here is the thing Crush is great at sketching out cool scenes, and setting them up. The MOAB is basically that, and once built in game basically aligns.

As for the Lifepath, what I've noticed is it comes back when the forward progress loses momentum. Scenes are simpler and a lot more already written in detail.

 

[FallGuyMcFly]

Oof, been watching this progress from the early days. Been awhile since I looked at his Patreon, don't know what his membership looks like but if he can afford it he should really hire some kind of Editor to help him string all the placeholders together into one coherent story. After that wrap it all up in a happy ending, so to speak and no pun intended, and be done with it.

 

[Dracis3D]

hire some kind of Editor to help him string all the placeholders together into one coherent story

In the same way this thread has built a dissertation on Crush's motivations, Crush has had no end of offered help from people wth the right skills. The game has always attracted interest.

 

[dasflute2]

The 'MOAB' exsits, not seen it for years. Basic crux of it is a Google Sheets with scene outlines. Now here is the thing Crush is great at sketching out cool scenes, and setting them up. The MOAB is basically that, and once built in game basically aligns.

I figured that it was something like that, and doesn't surprise me that (at least at one time) Crush was good at really developing scene ideas and images.

Do you happen to have any version of it saved, even an old one?

 

[yewfella]

Without having spoken to Crush either, it seems to me it might be a combination of being both unable and unwilling to finish the game. He could hire help to finish the game - but then he likely won't be able to progress as far with a new game project, and that must be quite a concerning prospect for him. It's easier to stall for time and drag the development of this game out for as long as possible.