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LAKueiJin

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Didn't dev said somewhere that forced bi, sissification, small penis humiliation, feminization are/will be unavoidable?
None of that exists yet in the game except small penis humiliation, and even that is more of an afterthought to chastity and tease and denial. Also, the dev said all those kinks are "planned content", not unavoidable, they've received a lot of pushback since, (especially against NTR), and for the 3rd update, which is apparently already available on patreon, they only included femdom NTR with the mistress fucking another slave of hers.

I forgot about "potential forced-bi", so I will edit the entry and include that, but nonetheless it's so far a 100% dedicated femdom game (no other paths) and the dev has never stated that those fetishes will be unavioudable (just that they are planned), so it definitely deserves an entry given that there are a few games in the finder that even have maledom paths... Yes I'd say beware for the forced-bi and potential maledom NTR, both of which I detest, but by the looks of things that content will most likely be avoidable and not play a too significant part in the story.

MFW new femdom game but no piss
A sad day indeed... It does have a scene where MC is forced by the mistress to wear her used panties on his face and lick them, so I could see that building up both towards pussy worship and urination in later updates! :unsure: (although more likely the former)
 
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None of that exists yet in the game except small penis humiliation, and even that is more of an afterthought to chastity and tease and denial. Also, the dev said all those kinks are "planned content", not unavoidable, they've received a lot of pushback since, (especially against NTR), and for the 3rd update, which is apparently already available on patreon, they only included femdom NTR with the mistress fucking another slave of hers.

I forgot about "potential forced-bi", so I will edit the entry and include that, but nonetheless it's so far a 100% dedicated femdom game (no other paths) and the dev has never stated that those fetishes will be unavioudable (just that they are planned), so it definitely deserves an entry given that there are a few games in the finder that even have maledom paths... Yes I'd say beware for the forced-bi and potential maledom NTR, both of which I detest, but by the looks of things that content will most likely be avoidable and not play a too significant part in the story.



A sad day indeed... It does have a scene where MC is forced by the mistress to wear her used panties on his face and lick them, so I could see that building up both towards pussy worship and urination in later updates! :unsure: (although more likely the former)
Seems like I'll try it later today then :D
 
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MrSilverLust

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Yeah I took that out of it too. It's a pretty good game though as a game, so I'd finish it. I don't expect a whole ton of femdom, just the three chars you mentioned, and the porn in general will be lighter. It's more focused on the psychological character study aspect, and chess. And with the amount of characters and ambition with the skill trees, I can't imagine any one route or style would get a large amount of focus. So I think only drips of femdom will be there, and mostly maledom, and I'll just skip most of the vanilla stuff to play it as a straight VN with a story for that.
Hi everyone, thanks for showing interest in my game, although I seem to have caught the discussion at the end.
I always try to be very reserved about future content because I don’t want to over-promise anything and end-up leaving people disappointed. So, I’ll just leave here this post and then let you to discuss your favourite games in peace.

I plan to have a lot of femdom content in Nothing is Forever. However, this is such a broad term that I’m trying to make each girl "specialize" in some aspect of it. It also must be said that this is all in a scale from vanilla to hardcore and I’d like that, regardless of where a given player fits in the scale, there is some content for him. This also means that there will be some "light femdom" scenes that might be hot for some, but you might just classify as "boring vanilla".

Nevertheless, from the top of my head, I can think of some kinks like: pegging, chastity, humiliation, emasculation, watersports, gentle femdom, facesitting, bondage, free use, worship, feet, masochism, sharing the mc between a couple girls, and cuckoldry (I might be forgetting some more); these kinks will be divided between the 7 girls. Some girls will be more on the vanilla side, others in the hardcore part.

Some of these things you might consider to be just plain vanilla, and some to be something else completely different than femdom (looking at you cuckoldry). Some you might not like, some you might love.

The problem with having so many kinks in a game (and this is just the femdom part) is that, if you love one, let’s say pegging, you might end up disappointed to find out that not all of the girls will be into it, or that there won’t be that many scenes focused in it (all the kinks need to be divided by all the lewd scenes). This means a few things:

  • Your favorite kink from the list above will, for sure, have less scenes than you’d like. Sorry about that.
  • On the other hand, if there’s something you don’t like from that list, you’ll still have plenty of other scenes to enjoy.
  • If you are a depraved deviant like myself that enjoys many kinks, but also variety (always the same thing gets boring, doesn’t it?), you’ll definitely find a little bit of everything in my game.

One last point: I’m not sure if you guys consider the following fun or not. But, do you know the typical "corruption" plot where the MC is innocent and naïve, finds an experienced domme that turns him more and more into her slave/pet until he’s completely owned by her?

Would the opposite be fun? The MC is a more experience sub, meets and falls for an innocent and naïve, vanilla girl, and confesses his kinks to her. They agree to try some light femdom sex, and, little by little, she learns that she actually loves it. The MC is very happy that the girl she likes is also into his kinks and they keep exploring more and more until he becomes nothing else than his slave/pet.

So… I’m not saying that I’m doing exactly that because that's a very basic description. In reality, such plot would have to be more complicated than that to not make it seem like the player is topping from the bottom, which could be a big turn-off for some of you. But, you know, if you'd enjoy something on those lines, maybe do have an extra playthrough where you don’t automatically reject the "boring vanilla girls". If you didn’t like that at all… yeah reject them.
 

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Would the opposite be fun? The MC is a more experience sub, meets and falls for an innocent and naïve, vanilla girl, and confesses his kinks to her. They agree to try some light femdom sex, and, little by little, she learns that she actually loves it. The MC is very happy that the girl she likes is also into his kinks and they keep exploring more and more until he becomes nothing else than his slave/pet.
Do that with Bri and I'll buy your game at least 5 times :D

cuckoldry
Femdom/lesbian cuckolding is also a possibility btw.
 

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One last point: I’m not sure if you guys consider the following fun or not. But, do you know the typical "corruption" plot where the MC is innocent and naïve, finds an experienced domme that turns him more and more into her slave/pet until he’s completely owned by her?

Would the opposite be fun? The MC is a more experience sub, meets and falls for an innocent and naïve, vanilla girl, and confesses his kinks to her. They agree to try some light femdom sex, and, little by little, she learns that she actually loves it. The MC is very happy that the girl she likes is also into his kinks and they keep exploring more and more until he becomes nothing else than his slave/pet.

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This is what would be closest to my real life experiences. Turned around a dozen "normal" women into Dommes, until I met my future wife who just didn't let me go anymore. Could see a similar string of events for me in your game. ;)

Btw while spreading various femdom kinks over several women is fine, I hope you also won't mind to have some of the more basic femdom fetishes, like foot and general oral worship, happening with most of the ladies.:p

Do that with Bri and I'll buy your game at least 5 times :D

Femdom/lesbian cuckolding is also a possibility btw.
I don't think Bri is that innocent. I think she is just a bit reserved. We will need more content with her to properly judge her though. Leah and especially Jen seem to be the prime candidates for this special type of corruption.
 

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I had exactly the same vibes from Emma since the start of the game, with her being as assertive and competitive and that early sex scene at the party... :unsure: Afterwards it becomes clearer that Deb and Kim will definitely have more femdom content, but tbh I still suspect that if you play as a submissive MC Emma will be the one with the most femdom-leaning vanilla relationship (of the rest of the LIs) - something about her fiery personality tells me there could be even CBT, caning, whipping or pegging there, (not just light fetishes) or at least the potential for it... The dev has been pretty good thus far at partitioning various fetishes rather fairly/equally, so there is hope with Nif that he'll keep to his promise and give at least a light femdom spin to most of the girls!



Oh no! Not comrade Olivia with her "free love" mindset that reminds me of Alexandra Kollontai and revolutionary Bo Burnham Special lines! My red heart aches! :ROFLMAO: In all honesty I also think it's most likely her or Bri, (cause we barely know anything about her fetishes yet lol) although I still hope it's the voyeurism girl (forgot her name at the moment), as I both find her to be one of the least attractive LIs in the game and am not into her kink at all. (plus that her fetish is after all a bit of a humiliation-adjacent fetish, so I think she's also a potential candidate for being the "no femdom LI" :unsure:)

It's been awhile since I played NIF, can someone remind me if Emma is the rival/girl who has the hate sex? She has some pretty strong femdom vibes except for the fact I really can't stand her. She went just ever-so-slightly-over my line, its kinda borderline. I remember the hate sex was hot, but...

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Mister_M

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new game+ feature later
It's already there. And easy mode (for faster unlocking skils) and my fav blind mode (so you don't know which dialogue option gives pts to which skill tree; imo best for immersion and not playing in order to accumulate certain pts [you can mix the 2 modes together btw]) are there too.
 

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It's already there. And easy mode (for faster unlocking skils) and my fav blind mode (so you don't know which dialogue option gives pts to which skill tree; imo best for immersion and not playing in order to accumulate certain pts [you can mix the 2 modes together btw]) are there too.
so fast, I thought I'd be quick realizing the dev made comments already and shouldn't be my place to say some things. I think it wasn't a feature for what I have of the game so far because, you know, padding. I really love the game and want to build it up
 
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wisdomtoothgamer

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Hi,
I tried looking into the upload process here not exactly sure how to make a ticket i have a copy of "S&M Lessons with the Cute Masochist Maid" it has both femdom and maledom route , i played through the femdom route (i bought the game on steam there's no encryption or anti tamper on it so the game runs without the need to crack it) the playtime is short



also i ran it through virus total

feel free to use your own virus checking softwares

vndb


would appreciate if someone made a thread for it

Here's some previews for both routes (i took text preview images from vndb hence its in japanese the one i uploaded is english version translated by tensei games) :-

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Hi,
I tried looking into the upload process here not exactly sure how to make a ticket i have a copy of "S&M Lessons with the Cute Masochist Maid" it has both femdom and maledom route , i played through the femdom route (i bought the game on steam there's no encryption or anti tamper on it so the game runs without the need to crack it) the playtime is short



also i ran it through virus total

feel free to use your own virus checking softwares

vndb


would appreciate if someone made a thread for it

Here's some previews for both routes (i took text preview images from vndb hence its in japanese the one i uploaded is english version translated by tensei games) :-

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Problem with this game is you still have to play through a lot of Maledom even if you're on the Femdom Path, you can't submit from the beginning
 
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baxtus

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Got bored by Nothing is Forever, too much dialogue, not enough Femdom

Really enjoying AI Dungeon, takes some work on the player's part, and it's not perfect, but you can basically create your own stories
 

wisdomtoothgamer

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Problem with this game is you still have to play through a lot of Maledom even if you're on the Femdom Path, you can't submit from the beginning
Yeah that was an issue but i believe the first save skips the mledom conetent and lands on the first femdom scene and you get a choice to continue submitting or male dom,
also i saw on steam that a femdom personality pack for honey select was released as dlc but im not sure how that game works and how to set that onto characters
 

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Hi everyone, thanks for showing interest in my game, although I seem to have caught the discussion at the end.
I always try to be very reserved about future content because I don’t want to over-promise anything and end-up leaving people disappointed. So, I’ll just leave here this post and then let you to discuss your favourite games in peace.

I plan to have a lot of femdom content in Nothing is Forever. However, this is such a broad term that I’m trying to make each girl "specialize" in some aspect of it. It also must be said that this is all in a scale from vanilla to hardcore and I’d like that, regardless of where a given player fits in the scale, there is some content for him. This also means that there will be some "light femdom" scenes that might be hot for some, but you might just classify as "boring vanilla".

Nevertheless, from the top of my head, I can think of some kinks like: pegging, chastity, humiliation, emasculation, watersports, gentle femdom, facesitting, bondage, free use, worship, feet, masochism, sharing the mc between a couple girls, and cuckoldry (I might be forgetting some more); these kinks will be divided between the 7 girls. Some girls will be more on the vanilla side, others in the hardcore part.

Some of these things you might consider to be just plain vanilla, and some to be something else completely different than femdom (looking at you cuckoldry). Some you might not like, some you might love.

The problem with having so many kinks in a game (and this is just the femdom part) is that, if you love one, let’s say pegging, you might end up disappointed to find out that not all of the girls will be into it, or that there won’t be that many scenes focused in it (all the kinks need to be divided by all the lewd scenes). This means a few things:

  • Your favorite kink from the list above will, for sure, have less scenes than you’d like. Sorry about that.
  • On the other hand, if there’s something you don’t like from that list, you’ll still have plenty of other scenes to enjoy.
  • If you are a depraved deviant like myself that enjoys many kinks, but also variety (always the same thing gets boring, doesn’t it?), you’ll definitely find a little bit of everything in my game.

One last point: I’m not sure if you guys consider the following fun or not. But, do you know the typical "corruption" plot where the MC is innocent and naïve, finds an experienced domme that turns him more and more into her slave/pet until he’s completely owned by her?

Would the opposite be fun? The MC is a more experience sub, meets and falls for an innocent and naïve, vanilla girl, and confesses his kinks to her. They agree to try some light femdom sex, and, little by little, she learns that she actually loves it. The MC is very happy that the girl she likes is also into his kinks and they keep exploring more and more until he becomes nothing else than his slave/pet.

So… I’m not saying that I’m doing exactly that because that's a very basic description. In reality, such plot would have to be more complicated than that to not make it seem like the player is topping from the bottom, which could be a big turn-off for some of you. But, you know, if you'd enjoy something on those lines, maybe do have an extra playthrough where you don’t automatically reject the "boring vanilla girls". If you didn’t like that at all… yeah reject them.
Well, I'm a bit late to the party with this answer, and I second both Mister_M and Frosty in that I think lesbian cuckoldry could be hotter than the vanilla/hetero kind and that it'd be nice to also see some of the more basic femdom fetishes (like feet), if they do not conflict with a particular girl's kinks or personality, be shared by more of them, while also having 1 or 2 specific fetishes to each girl as you put it! Your game has plenty of well-written realistic characters and, like other aspects of NiF, I would've honestly never expected anything but you making the femdom content feel unique and different for each girl, although I must say I'm pleasantly surpirsed that you actually have a little bit of femdom planned for all 7 girls! :eek: (originally I was one of those people who suspected we'll only get Deb, Kim and some stuff on Emma's route) I also have a lot of femdom kinks raging from loving softcore to more hardcore than Darktoz, so I'll definitely enjoy having several playthroughs of your game and you've all but sold me on becoming a patreon supporter with this post!

In terms of making any suggestions, I noticed you haven't mentioned "findom" or "blackmail" or anything of the sort in your list of planned kinks, so I'm curious: would it be possible for us to have findom content with Kim and as she slowly starts "walking more and more over you", for her to progressively ruin MC's life, career, friendships etc until he has almost nothing left and no other option than to become her full time slave? In a way I can envision her content going towards blackmail, findom, humiliation, some CBT or other pain-related fetishes, and even eventual enslavement of MC in one of her "endings", all of which is stuff I'd love to see, (especially as the game has already established that she could be a cruel mistress that enjoys taking things away from others and making them suffer just because she can, and also because I've got a shameless obsession for dominant Asian women... :sneaky::LOL:) but I could also see her content veering towards cuckoldry, which I don't find as attractive.

Obviously I'm not asking you for spoilers or trying to influence you in the way you decide to write Kim, as she is your character in your story and you've already proven yourself to be a great writer, but it'd be awesome to know if you also have some of the fetishes I said I'd love to see on her femdom route planned for her! (or, if not, to get one or 2 small hints about her femdom route) All the best to you dev and thanks for taking the time and effort to make this post! :giggle:
 
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In terms of making any suggestions, I noticed you haven't mentioned "findom" or "blackmail" or anything of the sort in your list of planned kinks, so I'm curious: would it be possible for us to have findom content with Kim and as she slowly starts "walking more and more over you", and for her to progressively ruin MC's life, career, friendships etc until he has almost nothing left and no other option than to become her full time slave? In a way I can envision her content going towards blackmail, findom, humiliation, some CBT or other pain-related fetishes, and even eventual enslavement of MC in one of her "endings", all of which is stuff I'd love to see, (especially as the game has already established that she could be a cruel mistress that enjoys taking things away from others and making them suffer just because she can, and also because I've got a shameless obsession for dominant Asian women... :sneaky::LOL:) but I could also see her content veering towards cuckoldry, which I don't find as attractive.
Thanks for the feedback and the kind words, it’s really appreciated.

About your questions:

There are a few kinks like blackmail that are complicated to implement. The reason for that is twofold:

Firstly, I don’t want to force kinks to players that don’t want to see them. Therefore, everything has to be optional. Blackmail, by definition, is something that’s forced on the MC and not optional. Although, there are some simple ways to deal with this.

For example, have some sort of consensual blackmail where both parties agree what is allowed or not. This, however, loses much of the appeal of the kink. It’s more roleplay than anything else at this point. The other way would be to, in a very clear way, give a choice to the player whose consequence would be that the mc ends up blackmailed or not. That way the player can still decide if the blackmail plot starts or not, even if it’s forced on the MC.


But then we come to the second problem: for personal choices, I wouldn’t like to have any non-consensual scenes in the game. It’s just that I’m trying to make something a bit more realistic than what the typical BDSM relationships are shown in media, and a fundamental part of that is consent. I once also had a couple of comment exchanges with Mister_M where he mentioned that it would be hot if Kim was the sort of domme that ignores safe-words. But that is something that personally triggers me. I understand that this can be hot and that avoiding these kind of scenes diminishes how good certain kinks can be. It’s just a personal choice for not wanting to include rape-ish, non-consensual scenes/kinks in the game. Blackmail kind of falls in this kind of situations that I’d prefer to not include in the game.


So, with all of that said, I do have some ideas on how to implement a sort of blackmail-ish plot, but please have low expectations for it because it probably won’t work as you imagine, or as how blackmail is typical depicted in games/stories (I think... to be honest, with a full-time job and making a game on the spare time, I really don't have time to play games. I actually don't know how these kinks are typically implemented).

This plot will be more in a way where the MC, willingly, puts himself in the hands of someone else, by giving her all the power and information she needs to blackmail him, if she so wishes. But that’s because he finds it hot to give that kind of power to someone else and lose all control over his life. Because he finds it hot that someone can ruin his life. In other words, the plot happens because the MC has a blackmail kink, or, let's say, a kink of possibly having his life ruined by someone else.

Which, you know, makes it just slightly different from a relationship where the MC just accepts to submit and serve a girl on his own will. The only small difference is that, in this case, there is the looming threat that the MC would never be able to leave that relationship because the domme would have blackmail content against him, that she could use at any time she wants if the mc ever puts a foot out of line. Whether she would actually use it or not will always be a question mark for the MC and the player.

So, is this a big enough difference to differentiate a normal hardcore femdom relationship from this "blackmail relationship"? Will this be enough to please players that enjoy blackmail content? I don’t know, when I release that chapter you can tell me if it worked or if I failed big time :p

A similar situation/reasoning can be used to incorporate fimdom elements in the blackmail or in other plot lines.

Thanks again and I hope I managed to give a satisfactory answer without spoilering it too much. Also, this is kind of the current idea in my mind, it might change in all sorts of directions. Cheers.
 
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Thanks for the feedback and the kind words, it’s really appreciated.

About your questions:

There are a few kinks like blackmail that are complicated to implement. The reason for that is twofold:

Firstly, I don’t want to force kinks to players that don’t want to see them. Therefore, everything has to be optional. Blackmail, by definition, is something that’s forced on the MC and not optional. Although, there are some simple ways to deal with this.

For example, have some sort of consensual blackmail where both parties agree what is allowed or not. This, however, loses much of the appeal of the kink. It’s more roleplay than anything else at this point. The other way would be to, in a very clear way, give a choice to the player whose consequence would be that the mc ends up blackmailed or not. That way the player can still decide if the blackmail plot starts or not, even if it’s forced on the MC.
Thanks a lot for the detailed answer! Of course I assumed that the blackmail plot would have to be consented to by the player at least through one clear decision, and I understand you wouldn't want to force any fetishes on any of the players - it's a hallmark of all quality games with wide-ranging fetishes like yours, and I very much respect the way you have implemented it thus far! (it's basically possible to not experience any maledom even on Jen's path for example, and I realise that must have taken a lot of work and dedication to customising content and interactions with every girl based on MC's in-game personality and choices) That said, I would love it if MC himself (not the player) could actually get blackmailed and have his life slowly ruined by Kim without giving his consent directly for any of it (after the player makes the original choice to start the blackmail domination plot), as, like you put it, explicit consent somewhat diminishes the appeal of kinks like this one. Of course,

But then we come to the second problem: for personal choices, I wouldn’t like to have any non-consensual scenes in the game. It’s just that I’m trying to make something a bit more realistic than what the typical BDSM relationships are shown in media, and a fundamental part of that is consent. I once also had a couple of comment exchanges with Mister_M where he mentioned that it would be hot if Kim was the sort of domme that ignores safe-words. But that is something that personally triggers me. I understand that this can be hot and that avoiding these kind of scenes diminishes how good certain kinks can be. It’s just a personal choice for not wanting to include rape-ish, non-consensual scenes/kinks in the game. Blackmail kind of falls in this kind of situations that I’d prefer to not include in the game.
This is perfectly understandable and you shouldn't write any characters or erotic plots that make you uncomfortable/put you off, as I know, as an amateur writer who published a little erotica online myself, that usually attempting to do that decreases one's enthusiasm for a story and can reduce writing quality quite a bit. Basically, don't push yourself and keep making the game that you love! Besides,

So, is this a big enough difference to differentiate a normal hardcore femdom relationship from this "blackmail relationship"? Will this be enough to please players that enjoy blackmail content? I don’t know, when I release that chapter you can tell me if it worked or if I failed big time :p
I'm happy to know that anyways you have at least a "hardcore femdom relationship" planned for Kim! :love: I do love myself some non-con blackmail/findom leading to MC's suffering and potentially enslavement and ruining of their previous life, and tbf this theme is a lot more often explored in short erotica stories than in femdom games (for games the only ones with any findom content whatsoever that come to mind are "Boring Days", "Love Dealers" and "Always in debt", the latest of which is a tiny RPGm game - there's a few more with blackmail but not too many either), but you do you!

I'm not sure I'll enjoy the blackmail plot too much given how you described it here (although in a way MC having a blackmail fetish, constantly obsessing over the possibility of her ruining his life and going out of his way to please her so as to stop that from happening, while also being turned on by the prospect even if Kim had no intention of actually doing it, could be hot in its own way, especially if Kim is also turned on by the power MC's fear/paranoia and kink gives her over him and she starts pushing him to submit further and further to see how far she could take things... :unsure:), but even if it doesn't turn out the way I'd like it or if you decide to completely scrap this idea I'm sure the masochistic sub in me will still enjoy the hardcore femdom relationship with Kim!

Thanks once again for another in-depth answer and good luck with your next update dev!
 
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