Fetishes in games vs. IRL

[215303j]

I never heard of inability to name chars causing rage. People probably like to name chars and I do to, usually I got Chad Thundercock as MC and stacy as primary interest.

https://f95zone.to/threads/how-important-is-naming-the-protag-to-you.24436/
https://f95zone.to/threads/do-you-use-your-own-name-when-naming-characters.25985/

As for rage, I don't know. I do remember a couple of games where people voiced disappointment.

 

[Kaffekop]

Not interested in incest, not interested in cuckolding. both are weird, and harmful to the society/ to yourself.
incest can lead to pollute the genepool, cuckold can lead to break families, damage the personality, It's an extreemly toxic fetish if you get used to.

I have seen the argument about polluting the gene pool, when it comes to incestuous relationships, but it can hardly be valid in today's society: Birth control!
Having had the pleasure, or as I have recently learned, misfortune, to have experienced an incestuous relationship in my late teens, I remember my partner being on birth control. And that is more then 30 years ago, so there is no reason to pollute anything.

Having been a bull to a few couples in my time, I have to say that the couples I have had the pleasure to be involved with, have the strongest relationships I have ever encountered. All of them have celebrated their 30'th+ wedding anniversary and are still going strong.
It doesn't have to be toxic or anything but there are some couples who fantasize about this and who are not really ready to embrace the concept of it. As a bull I have had times, where I've had to tell the couple in question, that they weren't ready for this, even though they claimed that it was what they wanted. Those couples that didn't take my advice to heart, usually broke up.
Sadly not all bulls are ready to embrace the fact, that it is never about them, but only about the couple. We are merely a tool. A means to an end, so to speak.

Cheers - Kaffekop

 

[Ashley young]

Incest and cuckolding on the other hand are generally considered unacceptable even if not illegal. Yet they are still very popular, both on this site as well as in real porn. Go to The Pirate Bay and browse porn movies, there are plenty of both incest and cuckolding high in the shared file list. Of course watching that kind of stuff doesn't make people actually want to do it IRL.

Most people watching porn don't care about plot, and the people that do apparently are into incest porn. It's very easy to sell because people who don't care about plot watch it because of the girl and the people who do care get an easy fix. Unlike something like bondage where there's actual stuff for the fetish needed, incest porn just has an 'I love you, brother!' Or whatever thrown in to a normal scene. Like babysitter porn.
As for cuckolding, there are many articles in the internet. Cuckolding is highly fetishized mostly among people having low self esteem, low self adequacy, depression or a special case of masochism. Also, cuck porn is famous because of the hardcore scenes, not because of the actual cuckolding element. Most people watching porn don't care about the cuck element and will rather focus on the girl.

 

[BeCe]

Well, since many of my fav fetishes revolve around lesbians and my rugged manly looks would make me an ugly woman if I tried. I think they should stay in game for me.

 

[anne O'nymous]

Having been a bull to a few couples in my time, I have to say that the couples I have had the pleasure to be involved with, have the strongest relationships I have ever encountered. All of them have celebrated their 30'th+ wedding anniversary and are still going strong.

It's where you can make the difference between authors who know what they talk about and those who include NTR/sharing because they expect it to attract a lot of support. Whatever if it stay on the sole sharing side, or if it goes more on the humiliation one, it's done for the pleasure of both, not for an egoist pleasure, and even less for pure humiliation. And the main key behind this is an unshakeable trust.
Couple doing this know that there's a difference between sex, pleasure, feeling and love. It's not because (s)he have sex with someone else that (s)he love this person, and it's not because (s)he've more pleasure doing it that when (s)he've sex with you, that (s)he'll quit you for this partner. Like the know that it's not because (s)he prefer a partner over another one, that (s)he love this partner ; even less that (s)he love her/him more than you.

 

[215303j]

Having had the pleasure, or as I have recently learned, misfortune, to have experienced an incestuous relationship in my late teens, I remember my partner being on birth control. And that is more then 30 years ago, so there is no reason to pollute anything.

If you want to share, why the change of heart regarding this event / episode? If you prefer to keep it for yourself, of course it's also fine.

It doesn't have to be toxic or anything but there are some couples who fantasize about this and who are not really ready to embrace the concept of it. As a bull I have had times, where I've had to tell the couple in question, that they weren't ready for this, even though they claimed that it was what they wanted. Those couples that didn't take my advice to heart, usually broke up.
Sadly not all bulls are ready to embrace the fact, that it is never about them, but only about the couple. We are merely a tool. A means to an end, so to speak.

Good for you to have a concience! Personally I have to say that particular fetish is not for me, not IRL anyway. And I also fail to understand couples who do want to do something like that IRL. I think I agree with what Ashley Young wrote. What's your opinion on that?

Cuckolding is highly fetishized mostly among people having low self esteem, low self adequacy, depression or a special case of masochism.

 

[Kaffekop]

If you want to share, why the change of heart regarding this event / episode? If you prefer to keep it for yourself, of course it's also fine.

Good for you to have a concience! Personally I have to say that particular fetish is not for me, not IRL anyway. And I also fail to understand couples who do want to do something like that IRL. I think I agree with what Ashley Young wrote. What's your opinion on that?

I have since September last year been going through a rough patch with a lot of therapy and because of that come to realize a lot of things concerning my own person and sexuality. Things I had never thought of as having been ... bad or ... negative.
I lost my virginity when I was 14 to an 11 year older woman, who worked at an after-school center, that I frequented. At that time I was, like any 14 year old I suppose, reacting like a champ! I just couldn't believe how lucky I had gotten. It probably took a month to wipe the smile off my face.
We had a sexual relationship for about a year, and it stopped abruptly when she was fired and shortly after moved to Sweden. I've never had any contact with her since then.
This started me down a road of sexual preference that I have never given much thought to in the past, but it has weighed on me nonetheless through my entire life. The preference being older women, if you hadn't guessed it by know.
When I was 17 I was suddenly, not out of nowhere because i had been attracted to my aunt for a long time, propositioned by my aunt while I was staying with her and my uncle over the summer. We had an affair for a couple of years until I found a girl my own age that I finally found attractive.
Before I turned 19 I had slept with my best friends mother and I'd had sex with one of my teachers at college.

That was a long prologue, but maybe necessary to understand why I use the term misfortune. Then I was all: "YAY!" "You're the man!" Now ... not so much. However I try to reason things out, all these older women took advantage of me and much of the issues that I have been struggling with over the last couple of years, have their roots in me feeling guilty for having betrayed people for whom I deeply care.


When I first tried my hands on being a bull I was lucky to find an experienced couple to help me out and alleviate some of the stress associated with having to perform on cue, and with someone sitting and watching from ten feet away while you're fucking his wife or girlfriend.
I asked them the: Why?
She was an exhibitionist, to a certain degree, and he loved to watch. That was their reasoning and I never inquired further but rather enjoyed the ride and learning a great deal in the process.
And when I say that the couples I have been with have strong relationships, I mean it. One wife who was about to go home to her husband, suddenly started crying and told me, that we couldn't be seeing each other anymore. She was beginning to develop feelings for me, and that wouldn't be fair to her husband - and that was it.
I understood her completely and I think it show how these relationships work. It is not about the bull but all about the couple. If it's not about the couple, then it is just cheating.

I think that Ashley may have a point, but In my experience the people she(he?) describes are the ones that I would never recommend going down that road. Not all fantasies should be acted out.
To be in these relationships means, that you have to have a huge amount of self-esteem and no jealousy what so ever. Imagine what it takes to hand over your beloved one to another man to fuck and then be sure, that she will be returning to you again afterwards. That takes a lot of strength.

But all in all @anne O'nymous nails it perfectly, in my experience.

Cheers - Kaffekop

 

[fitgirlbestgirl]

This thread is simultaneously extremely boring and incredibly judgmental. I don't mind either incest or NTR in games, but neither is my "favorite fetish" and I don't actively seek them out. I'm just not one of those "another man looked at my waifu, where was the NTR warning?" people, which this thread naturally attracted from their natural habitat. A more general poll about fetishes in porn vs real life might have been more interesting, this just comes off as "I don't like these fetishes, justify yourself, creeps."

 

[215303j]

That was a long prologue, but maybe necessary to understand why I use the term misfortune. Then I was all: "YAY!" "You're the man!" Now ... not so much. However I try to reason things out, all these older women took advantage of me and much of the issues that I have been struggling with over the last couple of years, have their roots in me feeling guilty for having betrayed people for whom I deeply care.

I understood her completely and I think it show how these relationships work. It is not about the bull but all about the couple. If it's not about the couple, then it is just cheating.

Interesting perspectives, thanks!

The interesting thing is, that both experiences are similar and at the same time the opposites to common game tropes.
How many games feature a young MC and a cougar mom/aunt/landlady?
In how many games the NTR is about destroying a relationship rather than strengthening it?

This thread is simultaneously extremely boring and incredibly judgmental. I don't mind either incest or NTR in games, but neither is my "favorite fetish" and I don't actively seek them out. I'm just not one of those "another man looked at my waifu, where was the NTR warning?" people, which this thread naturally attracted from their natural habitat. A more general poll about fetishes in porn vs real life might have been more interesting, this just comes off as "I don't like these fetishes, justify yourself, creeps."

I think you misunderstood my intentions. Although I was not specifically looking for personal experiences, like those of Kaffekop, but I was looking for ways how fantasies relate to real life, especially if those fantasies are quite extreme / socially unacceptable.

The interesting conclusion so far is that the majority like to restrict their fetish to games only and don't fantasize about RL situations involving their fetish. This surprises me, because, like games, fantasies are also quite harmless. In fact I had expected it to be the other way around: fantasy first and games second.

 

[freedom.call]

This surprises me, because, like games, fantasies are also quite harmless. In fact I had expected it to be the other way around: fantasy first and games second.

I don't have anyone to practice on irl. Back when I was younger/had someone to practice on it just never came up so my guess is I wasn't interested in the first place.

 

[Catapo]

Just quickly going to add something to this thread I am into both incest and NTR in games and I am into it in real life as well but not how you'd expect. I grew up with my dad, mom, sister and even had cousins living with us when I was younger but I didn't/don't have fantasies with any of them but the idea that someone out there somewhere is practicing incest is what gets me excited.

If my family would approach me sexually my reaction would be "Eww" but if some guy tells me that he is banging his sister my reaction would be "that's hot".
Same with NTR I would hate to have my gf stolen or be the one who does the stealing but if it happens to someone else that is different.

 

[fitgirlbestgirl]

Two of the main fetishes in erotic games seem to be incest and NTR / cuckolding.

I was looking for ways how fantasies relate to real life, especially if those fantasies are quite extreme / socially unacceptable.

Incest and NTR occur in 17.1% and 5.2% of the 3746 games on this site respectively. There are plenty of other "quite extreme" fetishes like rape (22.1%) and bestiality (4.6%), but for some reason you had to ask people to justify why they are into incest and NTR, the two most common fetishes on the "what people like to complain about" list.

The interesting conclusion so far is that the majority like to restrict their fetish to games only and don't fantasize about RL situations involving their fetish. This surprises me, because, like games, fantasies are also quite harmless. In fact I had expected it to be the other way around: fantasy first and games second.

Apart from the fact that a poll of 50 people from a pool of tens of thousands is in no way a representative sample, this outcome is in no way surprising. Playing a game where you fuck your hot "sister" is plenty of steps removed from thinking about actually fucking your sister. Because she's your sister and that's weird to most people. Unless it's not, in which case, hey, you do you.

 

[forbidden101v]

An actually interesting topic here. Until someone fucks it up that is. Thats a hard question for me to be honest because I'm not entirely sure. Like I don't have a favorite fetish as I like a lot of things but the only things that come to mind that are some what uncommon is anal and irrumatio. Cosplay could be fun and sumata seems interesting but beyond that it seems either fucked up, illegal, and/or impossible. With fantasy stuff I don't feel a reason to draw a line but I can't say the same about reality. It's one thing to bang your entire family and make them preggy with pure blood babies in a game and a completely different thing to fuck your actual family..... . Same thing with raping someone so much you break their mind and then start letting dogs hump them when you grow bored. Honestly I don't think comparing fantasy and reality is ever a good idea as its a good way to drive yourself nuts not to mention reality doesn't play out like fantasy usually.

 

[desmosome]

For incest:
I have fantasized about a hot cousin or aunt when I was younger. Never my nuclear family though. It doesn't even cross my mind and actually would gross me out more than anything.

NTR:
In most cases, I am a detached observer when viewing NTR stuff. I don't identify with the male protag or anything like that. Sometimes I do imagine myself as him and the frustration helplessness and depravity of it all can actually be a bit arousing too. Similarly, I have imagined being NTRed by my GF a few times and it has its charms too. But that is strictly fantasy. If that shit happened in real life, I am pretty sure arousal is the last thing I will be experiencing. Its probably a similar psychological effect as rape fantasy for women.

 

[BeCe]

For incest:
I have fantasized about a hot cousin or aunt when I was younger. Never my nuclear family though. It doesn't even cross my mind and actually would gross me out more than anything.
NTR:
In most cases, I am a detached observer when viewing NTR stuff. I don't identify with the male protag or anything like that. Sometimes I do imagine myself as him and the frustration helplessness and depravity of it all can actually be a bit arousing too. Similarly, I have imagined being NTRed by my GF a few times and it has its charms too. But that is strictly fantasy. If that shit happened in real life, I am pretty sure arousal is the last thing I will be experiencing. Its probably a similar psychological effect as rape fantasy for women.

I have to wonder what it would be like growing up in a family of supermodels though, I think my "ew, no" reaction to irl incest would be upgraded to an "ehh, maybe" at least.

But NTR is a hard pass, in imagination and reality, I'm man enough to admit my ego couldn't take it.

 

[Pervert_King]

I do have fetishes that I want experience in real life, such as Domination and Bondage, but neither incest nor NTR are my thing.

 

[desmosome]

I have to wonder what it would be like growing up in a family of supermodels though, I think my "ew, no" reaction to irl incest would be upgraded to an "ehh, maybe" at least.

But NTR is a hard pass, in imagination and reality, I'm man enough to admit my ego couldn't take it.

My sister can probably be considered attractive. Not like a model or anything, but maybe a solid 6 or something. The thing is, even guaging her attractiveness on the scale is kind of "eww." Its the psychological conditioning that we go through when we grow up in close proximity to someone. I'd say in most cases, even if your family is super hot, most people won't have incest fantasy about their sis/mom. On the other hand, I bet most people have fantasized about a hot cousin at some point because we don't really get that psychological block.

 

[Detective Cancer]

NTR/Cuckolding I never cared for it's kinda rude for one but my wife and I are in an open relationship so her or I fucking other people isn't a big deal, we're pretty promiscuous and decided on this a long time ago before we got married. I think the big draw of that is the negative emotions you get from it, from watching your partner get fucked or pick someone you hate over you right? We share stories and get turned on with each other's adventures but there's nothing negative about it and group sex is too messy to really enjoy for either of us, at most it'd be a threesome, so there's none of that with us.

Incest has been a thing I've been aroused by for a very long time and for a brief time I got to practice with a sibling, circumstances kinda lead to my sister and I needing to get close and bond to escape things. It was fun while it lasted but nothing bad came of it and we were both aware of the consequences, both were consenting and stuff too, that said, both being girls it carried a lot less of a risk than a straight relationship in that way. She moved out at some point and we both grew up and out of it, we had a talk discussing how we felt at the end and we're still good friends, both married adults with kids and our own families now. Not something I'd do again unless very very specific circumstances called for it but it was nice to feel that close.

Ramble ramble, so in summation: NTR is not my thing it's sad and upsetting, incest is hot but the kinda thing I enjoy in fiction, it's very complicated in real life.

 

[Zippity]

No interest in either... Wouldn't want either of them in RL, and I don't really like NTR/Cuckhold much (depending on it's usage) in erotic VN/Games...

For me, the harsher fetishes should stay relegated to fantasy land, and stay out of RL all together... The more vanilla ones, are not so bad as long as everything is consensual and no one gets physically or mentally hurt... Just depends on the fetish... But I think that the popularity in fantasy tends to out way the popularity of actual use in RL, with most fetishes... Not that it means they don't happen in RL...

And to say NTR/Cuckold is a top 2 in popularity, is a misnomer... It's actually hated by players/readers more then it's liked... You just see a lot of developers who like including it, for various reasons... Even as just an avoidable option, usually in order to offer more available choices, when throwing out that donation fishing net... The minority of players/readers just tend to be more vocal about it, thereby artificially inflating a sense of popularity... And when I say vocal, it usually comes across as some cult like motherly protection of it, especially when other folks speak up about their dislike of it...

If I had to say what the top 5 used fetishes and plot devices in erotic VN/Games were, based on actual usage across the board, and popularity based on reviews and likes and so forth:

- Incest (losing popularity mostly because it's getting overused and the Donation Payment sites are beginning to catch on to it's over use and stigma for their sites, and are banning it... And because greed is king in many cases, instead of moving on to a different site or donation system, they are just modifying their VN/Games to remove it, and/or avoiding the use of Incest entirely... Of course, some believe they can slip under the radar by offering two versions, and just not advertising the banned one, on the sites that have rules against it... It will eventually come back to bite them, as these sites are getting more tricky about catching them and researching more into reports about them... Some just don't mention the offensive subjects on the donation site pages, yet still include it, but that doesn't mean they will not get caught...)

- Sleep Groping (I can not begin to tell you how many times this is over used in the beginning stages of erotic Visual Novels that focus more on the porn content then the story, and even then it sometimes appears in heavy story based VN/Games as well)

- Shower/Bath Peeking (same as with Sleep Groping)

- Corruption (this is one of the most highly used forms of erotic plot devices, whether it be via Magic, Technology, Chemicals, Mystical Intervention, Mind Control, Hypnotism, Slave Training, etc... Probably because it covers such a wide spectrum of plot excuses, that usually do not require much detailed explanation, and because they are more subversive in nature)

- Male Protagonist (The number of male protagonist VN/Games is far greater in number then the Female Protagonist ones... And a majority of the Female Protagonist ones are typically, far fetched, reverse corruption based... Where the female protagonist is the one becoming corrupted, and not actually doing the corrupting... The biggest reason why it's mostly male protagonists, is mainly because the number of men reading/playing erotic VN/Games is higher then the women, and typically it's easier for a man to relate to a male protagonist then a female... Which is also the reason you see a majority of the female protagonist based VN/Games going with the reverse corruption, because men can't relate as well to a female protagonist being the one taking charge, which is really sad... It shouldn't always be about relatability, if it's got a good story and game play... Plus, women have fetishes and sexual desires, just like men... We need to see more strong female protagonist characters in these things...)

Zip

 

[Domiek]

I enjoy incest in games if it's done well. No matter how immersive the game is, your 3D siblings are still strangers. In real life just the thought it is absolutely disgusting.

I have a theory that most people who think irl incest is attractive probably don't actually have siblings of the opposite gender.

I'm a straight man and have 4 sisters. To think of them in any sexualized way is just as repulsive as sexualizing another man.