Others Forest of the Blue Skin [Build January] [Zell23]

[omp123]

It's his 3rd update in years, it's going to be a very long time before there's a "game" to be had. There isn't a whole lot to run like dog shit.... It's currently a showcase of some updated enemies, a gallery basically that's it. It's not really FOBS C yet, it's a remake of A and B with the new engine allowing him to finish it off eventually.

This logic isn't lost on me, but I'm well within my right to take a look at this barren, broken, hollow shell of a reboot for a game that's already been well-established and packed full of content and not be happy throwing money at it. He started this reboot because of "limitations with the engine" yet it's clear he's severely struggling with this new engine, as this is the second build where I've managed to get myself clipped through the ground simply by attacking while landing from a jump. Now we have to wait for him to learn how to make a game from scratch in this new engine just to catch up to what he had in the old one. He should've just wrapped up FOBS A as its own game and worked on B as a sequel in the engine that he's already used to. Now we've backpedaled and have to sit and wait for him to re-learn everything all over again because this engine has more potential.

 

[Bound in Chains]

This logic isn't lost on me, but I'm well within my right to take a look at this barren, broken, hollow shell of a reboot for a game that's already been well-established and packed full of content and not be happy throwing money at it.

Honestly? You make good points. I've definitely got less animosity as I'm a new fan and willing to wait on projects (I've got way more I'm invested in than just this game), but I can see how this whole situation really burns old fans for good reason. As an aside, I feel like the least Zell could do at this point is lessen that paywall. Maybe people on the payment plan get the demos early (instead of being the ONLY ones to get demos), or maybe give them other rewards instead, like showcasing behind the scenes bits or cut content. He's got several games he's worked on at this point, I'm sure there's material for something like that.

If I actually manage to figure out *how* to support him, and these demos don't get better, then I might just be in the same boat as you. And looking back at Shiro no Yakata... uh oh. That might be where we're headed.

 

[omp123]

Honestly? You make good points. I've definitely got less animosity as I'm a new fan and willing to wait on projects (I've got way more I'm invested in than just this game), but I can see how this whole situation really burns old fans for good reason. As an aside, I feel like the least Zell could do at this point is lessen that paywall. Maybe people on the payment plan get the demos early (instead of being the ONLY ones to get demos), or maybe give them other rewards instead, like showcasing behind the scenes bits or cut content. He's got several games he's worked on at this point, I'm sure there's material for something like that.

If I actually manage to figure out *how* to support him, and these demos don't get better, then I might just be in the same boat as you. And looking back at Shiro no Yakata... uh oh. That might be where we're headed.

So far the only way I've found to support him is by buying overpriced ToraCoin of Tokyo Otaku Mode, and those coins apparently expire in 90 days.

 

[Bound in Chains]

So far the only way I've found to support him is by buying overpriced ToraCoin of Tokyo Otaku Mode, and those coins apparently expire in 90 days.

Tried to get those, card said no. Can't use PayPal either. So I guess it's not an option for me.

 

[Mr. Cofman]

Hmm... releasing a "demo" in such buggy and unfinished state is quite a... brave decision.
Though it gives a glimpse about what this game can become.
Hmm... and yet I feel like something is wrong.
Any thoughts?

 

[zdzxcx]

Hmm... releasing a "demo" in such buggy and unfinished state is quite a... brave decision.
Though it gives a glimpse about what this game can become.
Hmm... and yet I feel like something is wrong.
Any thoughts?

I think you're confusing an alpha demo for a full-game demo. that's my thought. This is very early work, this isn't meant to be reflective of the full game - just a small preview of what he has available.

 

[MrNice88]

Hmm... releasing a "demo" in such buggy and unfinished state is quite a... brave decision.
Though it gives a glimpse about what this game can become.
Hmm... and yet I feel like something is wrong.
Any thoughts?

I get some people don't want to pay for not even something unfinished but barely started but that's not how I see it.
You support a creator like Zell because you've enjoyed his previous works and want to incentivise him to carry on making those kinds of games, I see Zell as the best pixel art animator for H-games there is. The progress updates you get are just a bonus to see how he's getting on.
With FOBS I understand people just want the game finished as the original part A&B were so good, I want that too. But the engine he was using did suck pretty bad.
Maybe it would've been better to finish it with a part C and then do a remake where they could all be linked together in one game, but that's a lot more work for what seems like a really busy guy.
He's already got 3 other games lined up with SA2, Shiro no Yakata and another horror game.
I don't think it's a brave decision to release what he has with FOBS so far, it's very early days he's just showed off some of the remade enemies. Playability really isn't in mind yet, all the "demos" I've seen him release have just been pretty much a gallery of some of the enemies you'll face, that's how I prefer it to be honest, I'd like to enjoy the finished article as a relatively new experience. FOBS to my knowledge was always a free game too.
The horror game that's he's finished his side of started out janky like this and gradually was refined with each update.
That's my take on it but each to their own I guess.

 

[Mr. Cofman]

I think you're confusing an alpha demo for a full-game demo. that's my thought. This is very early work, this isn't meant to be reflective of the full game - just a small preview of what he has available.

True, I didn't know that alphas and betas were called demo, same as demo of a full release. Though, something is still bugging me. I think this alpha looks too rushed.

I get some people don't want to pay for not even something unfinished but barely started but that's not how I see it.
You support a creator like Zell because you've enjoyed his previous works and want to incentivise him to carry on making those kinds of games, I see Zell as the best pixel art animator for H-games there is. The progress updates you get are just a bonus to see how he's getting on.
With FOBS I understand people just want the game finished as the original part A&B were so good, I want that too. But the engine he was using did suck pretty bad.
Maybe it would've been better to finish it with a part C and then do a remake where they could all be linked together in one game, but that's a lot more work for what seems like a really busy guy.
He's already got 3 other games lined up with SA2, Shiro no Yakata and another horror game.
I don't think it's a brave decision to release what he has with FOBS so far, it's very early days he's just showed off some of the remade enemies. Playability really isn't in mind yet, all the "demos" I've seen him release have just been pretty much a gallery of some of the enemies you'll face, that's how I prefer it to be honest, I'd like to enjoy the finished article as a relatively new experience. FOBS to my knowledge was always a free game too.
The horror game that's he's finished his side of started out janky like this and gradually was refined with each update.
That's my take on it but each to their own I guess.

Hmm... supporting unfinished project is always a risk, but Zell indeed seem to be trustworthy. It's just him releasing such a rushed project made me concerned.
I mean... you can't escape the hold of the starting enemies, and can easily go through the floor on the starting location, which is obviously not intentional.
Of course he will fix it later, but... I just didn't expect to play a game in such state, haha...

 

[Zane Carlson]

Nope, it's still dogshit. He just added 3 new enemies to this demo that somehow runs worse than ver A/B. Still no 'game' to be had.

If you read the update posts you would know that they are currently also working on a menu.
Also they had covid-19 so cut them some slack!

 

[Zane Carlson]

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Well I checked again and PayPal is the first option.
Maybe it's because I'm in Europe?
idk...

 

[Zane Carlson]

Hmm... releasing a "demo" in such buggy and unfinished state is quite a... brave decision.
Though it gives a glimpse about what this game can become.
Hmm... and yet I feel like something is wrong.
Any thoughts?

Maybe it's the fact they are more focused on menu elements and recovering from covid-19 then making sure the demo works well?

 

[Zane Carlson]

omp123
Mr. Cofman
I think I should translate update posts and put them here...
Which I'm gonna do from now on:
(also keep in mind this is just google translate so take this with a grain of salt)

About Blue Skin Forest ③
July 30th, 2024 13:23・All users

I was damaged by my first COVID-19 infection, but I managed to recover.
The cough that continues even after I've recovered is also pretty painful, so I don't want to get it again...

★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆

★Various additions planned for Blue Skin Forest (As it is still in development, there will probably be corrections and changes in the future.)

★Masturbation

A masturbation motion has been added.
You can start masturbating with the [SHIFT] key.
As with the old version, it is heavily involved in capture and gimmicks.
It is possible to stop the opponent's movement by splashing it during battle, but since the enemy's health is restored, it is basically difficult to use it to gain an advantage in battle.

Since dashing and masturbation are abilities, you cannot actually use them from the beginning.

★ About H during battle

If H develops during battle, an attack motion will be inserted beforehand.
You will no longer be captured suddenly just by touching the enemy as in the old version.

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★ Agreement H Gauge

When this gauge fills up, it means that the player agrees to H from now on.
Standing near a monster that displays this will fill the gauge, and if you are close to it when it is full, H will start.
I think it will appear in various places, from situations such as invitations to H at bases.
You need to stand still for about 3 seconds and it will disappear if you move away even a little, so I don't think there will be any accidental H.

★ Encyclopedia / Achievements
I haven't touched the treasure section yet, but I have progressed with the encyclopedia and achievements.

I am creating an encyclopedia.
Information will be added to the encyclopedia when the monster and I recognize each other's existence.
You can also judge the capture status in the upper left of the icon.
If there is a heart frame, it is "capture possible", if it is a pink heart, it is "already captured", and if there is no frame, it is "cannot be captured".
However, it's so heavy due to the amount of processing it does that I'm not sure what to do.
It's currently under construction, so there are bugs in the calculation and display processes.
Achievements are also being created.
Last time I said that these were parts that aren't related to H, but there are already some that are quite related.
The number of stars will be related to the shop content.
This is also under development, so you will not be able to get most of the achievements.

Once the text for the encyclopedia and achievements is finalized, I plan to request translations.

 

[Mr. Cofman]

Maybe it's the fact they are more focused on menu elements and recovering from covid-19 then making sure the demo works well?

Maybe? I said before, I'm not used to see a game in such state

 

[Spadgeunlikeanyother]

Maybe? I said before, I'm not used to see a game in such state

All developers build their games differently. Some like Zell add in all the monstergirls, animations and all the extra stuff before doing the story and the gameplay. Likewise, there are developers of games who do it the other way around, do the story and gameplay first and then add in the extras.

 

[Mr. Cofman]

All developers build their games differently. Some like Zell add in all the monstergirls, animations and all the extra stuff before doing the story and the gameplay. Likewise, there are developers of games who do it the other way around, do the story and gameplay first and then add in the extras.

Heh, which makes their priorities clear.

 

[Kisama33]

Heh, which makes their priorities clear.

Not even the original game was supposed to have any gameplay, it all started as an "monster girl interactive gallery" only later it evolved to what you see now so it definitely much more than what the dev intended to do in the first place.

 

[Zane Carlson]

Heh, which makes their priorities clear.

To us all, Zell will always be more of a Pixel Artist then a Game Dev.

 

[Mr. Cofman]

Not even the original game was supposed to have any gameplay, it all started as an "monster girl interactive gallery" only later it evolved to what you see now so it definitely much more than what the dev intended to do in the first place.

I didn't know it. Looks like he did make an interesting turn in his project which made it better.
But looking at what state his new project now, I'm actually glad I didn't see what the game was before.
Personal preference, I choose completed, unspoiled experience, which would be able to positively surprise me.

 

[Buzelmann02]

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The animations for this month

 

[TheUnsaid]

You support a creator like Zell because you've enjoyed his previous works and want to incentivise him to carry on making those kinds of games, I see Zell as the best pixel art animator for H-games there is.

While I agree with the rest of your message, I disagree with this.
I don't think Zell's the best pixel artist for erogames. I think that's Takorin.

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Now, I will say that Zell's got my favorite erotic sense amongst pixel artists though. His sense for female assertive content is on point, and the way he can bring out the eroticism of scenarios is amazing.

I can still vividly remember in my mind's eye the erotic questionnaire in FOBS B side.

Takorin on the other hand does bestiality, heavy maledom rape, and futa. Following him is a mixed bag because you'll randomly get a gangbang rape scene in your timeline.

There are some maledom scenes in Fobs. Some of them occur while the player is 'brainwashed' by the girl but I personally just ignore this fact lol (example - the yamabiko girl)
FobsB has the Cat Witch for example. FobsA has the sleeping goat, mushroom girl, puppeteer girls, cat thief for example

I know of 2 horror games that zell made, but they're both similar enough that I cannot point out any differences

If you think about it - yes fobs and the horror games are kind of simillar. However in fobs you have a different mindset compared to zell's horror games
Here are the example differences:
- In FOBS you can actually fight back. Whereas in the horror games you only run or trick the attackers
- (I don't know the lore but this point seems logical enough) In FOBS you're an adventurer who explores because you want to. In the horror games you are just some wealking, trapped somewhere and who is trying to escape
- In FOBS you have enough exploration to do that you can just ignore the femdom scenes. But in the horror games there is not enough content to ignore the scenes, there is literally nothing interesting in the game to keep you entertained if you dislike femdom (actually the player's new abilities are interesting, but people ususally get bored of them after 5 minutes)

Personally I played through his horror games only to see if it has any maledom scenes, but that was not the case. Maybe I remember like one where the character is brainwashed and doesn't end up on the bottom? But I may be wrong

Don't let anyone convince you it's not.

Too many people are weird about temptation maledom.

Like you have no idea how much I've argued that submissive girls are allowed to enjoy and be a part of sex without becoming doms. If you want your partner to rail you while you sit back and take it, no matter how it happens you're the sub. People just have different rules when it comes to girls I guess.

Regarding the horror games. Yes they're meant to be more femdom focused, but more importantly they're a place where Zell can let loose on the designs for his creepy girls

Zell didn't change sexually.
And in fact Shiro No Yakata is being codeveloped by Ansala! Ansala's influence is what made Succubus Affection primarily a maledom game.

There's literally no shot that Shiro No Yakata won't also be primarily a maledom game. At most it'll be switch.

Tower of Shiratane on the other hand, who knows. We lack info.

Now don't forget, Zell's a switch with a femdom preference. Just because the game will focus on one thing doesn't mean he'll hyperfixate. Tower of Shiratane has those Mushroom girls that temptation the player into mating presses and the cage demon that tempts the player into doggystyle.

Like, I don't think you have anything to worry about based on your preferences for the future games.