Ren'Py Four Elements Trainer [v1.1.3f] [Mity]

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YoraeRasante

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the new patreon post was already put up there, twice.
there was no new version, so they decided to close getting money from patreon until they are ready to deliver.
and marty seems to have plans for a new game mainly of his own.
 
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HannibalKing said:
Remember when cbob told us we could hassle him if he couldn't get anything done in November?!?!

Let's just say I got myself a stick and called it hassle. And it's better than bacon.

I say hassle, you say
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Hassle...

Hassle...

But all fun aside, cbob won't make it this month again and I talked to him about what the best course of action would be because I feel a bit more is needed than just saying

"guys we didn't make it this month (again), see you in the next!"

There's folks among you who'd support us way beyond anything which can be called reasonable. And sure, it's your money and you can bloody well do with it as you see fit! We're making adult games and you are an adult, right? But we've created some expectations these last months which we haven't been able to make good on and that can't keep on going.

So I suggested pausing our patreon billing cycle to cbob and he agreed that would be a good idea. Cbob will keep working on the new FET build at a pace he is able to and at least until he can show us the fruits of his labor we'll suspend the billing.

I like that very much, because this will most likely also allow cbob to relax more. Getting the amount of support we're getting and not being able to deliver something for this long will start eating at you. Subconsciously or not. And that's when you're mentally doing fine. If you're not at your best that becomes crippling.

So cbob will have a real opportunity to get back on the road to recovery, (something I was aiming for regardless!) and I'll just pick my nose and do nothing in the mean time...

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. I started working on a little side project which I intend to expand upon. Some of you already know what it is. And just so you know, it's not a continuation of Omnitrixxx. I know some of you really liked that and God knows anything with Gwen in it has an uncanny ability to hold my unhealthy attention, but Omnitrixxx was always meant as a test for myself and set up as such.

Working on FET is important, yes, but I need cbob for that... unless you want builds merely consisting out of cheap puns.... When running a three legged marathon, which is basically what FET is, you can't keep going while the other is feeling those stabs in his side. Don't ask me why I keep making these weird comparisons...

So there you have it. I might add to this post later if it turns out it's needed and I'll keep you up to date throughout the upcoming month. Now let's see if I can find the buttons which will actually do what I was talking about.
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well ugh. so at least that looks like they care (or Marty does) and do the patreon Hold, which tells us two things.. they feel responsible to a point, and they don't know when the next stuff is ready to go.
thanks HannibalKing for the heads-up and the snippet to erhm, 'fill the gap', i'm sure FET fans all over are happily jumping at anything Marty can shell out. i'm kinda used to those 'on a napkin' scribbles myself, many of them turn out entertaining, at least.
 
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> Remember when cbob told us we could hassle him if he couldn't get anything done in November?!?!
See you guys in March.
 
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F1forhalp said:
well ugh. so at least that looks like they care (or Marty does) and do the patreon Hold, which tells us two things.. they feel responsible to a point, and they don't know when the next stuff is ready to go.
thanks HannibalKing for the heads-up and the snippet to erhm, 'fill the gap', i'm sure FET fans all over are happily jumping at anything Marty can shell out. i'm kinda used to those 'on a napkin' scribbles myself, many of them turn out entertaining, at least.
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iwouldnt say that, what it does feel like is that the update was a lie, or at the very least, cbob was hiding the truth of the status of the update. and they paused it because they realise it would be impossible to salvage it.

if i had to guess, i would say they basically threw it aside and are redoing it from scratch(this update). and pausing was the only way they could keep any semblance of respect for the patreons.

it also feel like i right on the money when i said he probably got lost in developing a BS minigame that ended up breaking the game. i just hope he realise those minigames are not even close to why people play this game and love this project.
 
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ogr blanc said:
iwouldnt say that, what it does feel like is that the update was a lie, or at the very least, cbob was hiding the truth of the status of the update. and they paused it because they realise it would be impossible to salvage it.

if i had to guess, i would say they basically threw it aside and are redoing it from scratch(this update). and pausing was the only way they could keep any semblance of respect for the patreons.

it also feel like i right on the money when i said he probably got lost in developing a BS minigame that ended up breaking the game. i just hope he realise those minigames are not even close to why people play this game and love this project.
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while I disagree with part of this, or at least the feeling get from reading it (but again, with the thread as it has been recently it is easy to read things in a negative light here), I do agree that it seems like a big part of the update may have been cut and is been redone.

it is a common thing in writing, really. many times a lot of what was written is cut before final release.
on something modular like this game, though, they can't cut from previous parts, meaning this update has to be good enough to stand on its own without messing with previous content.
if it does not, a lot may need to be changed, a lot may need to be rewritten to a point of maybe a complete rewrite.
which, while already frustrating in a normal time, would be even worse in this case, with all the delays while he was trying to push forward in his bad state of mind - something which may have made the first draft even worse.
 
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YoraeRasante said:
while I disagree with part of this, or at least the feeling get from reading it (but again, with the thread as it has been recently it is easy to read things in a negative light here), I do agree that it seems like a big part of the update may have been cut and is been redone.

it is a common thing in writing, really. many times a lot of what was written is cut before final release.
on something modular like this game, though, they can't cut from previous parts, meaning this update has to be good enough to stand on its own without messing with previous content.
if it does not, a lot may need to be changed, a lot may need to be rewritten to a point of maybe a complete rewrite.
which, while already frustrating in a normal time, would be even worse in this case, with all the delays while he was trying to push forward in his bad state of mind - something which may have made the first draft even worse.
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to be honest, i didnt want to sound so negative. however, you have to agree that we are stuck in a merry go round. each week they come out and say something that looks like its near completion, only to either go silent for a few days, or go back and say it isnt really that close.

my problem, and the reason i posted that is because, they made it look like they are doing it to be honorable and fair to the patreons. but from history you can see that it doesnt feel genuine, but more of a way to ward off backlash when the "truth" does come out.

like i said it before, i can feel their love for the project, but, at the same time, i also know that cbob's priority was more on the minigames, than the story.
 
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Jumping in here and just saying that I'm trying to release a game based on a comic I made and I understand these roadblocks. I don't understand of course the weight of the following that FET has. I want, like many others, some new stuff for FET to come out but again I know some of the struggle. Those that write or dev, or both know it sucks when you hit these things when you're trying to create.
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ogr blanc said:
to be honest, i didnt want to sound so negative. however, you have to agree that we are stuck in a merry go round. each week they come out and say something that looks like its near completion, only to either go silent for a few days, or go back and say it isnt really that close.

my problem, and the reason i posted that is because, they made it look like they are doing it to be honorable and fair to the patreons. but from history you can see that it doesnt feel genuine, but more of a way to ward off backlash when the "truth" does come out.

like i said it before, i can feel their love for the project, but, at the same time, i also know that cbob's priority was more on the minigames, than the story.
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I agree with your previous point. What's more is that they swore it was nearly done and then suddenly they're suspending patreon billing and going on this "break" to get the game ready for whenever they can release. Nothing they say is honest and it feels like anything they do even if it seems like good faith on the surface is some ploy to gain favour. We went from a November release to a "idk whenever we can" and I'm guessing the motive for suspending payment was more they don't want people to think they're taking advantage of their patrons like the last 4 month "break" they took.
 
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Yeah what really frustrates me isnt simply that the update has been (repeatedly) delayed, its more that the communication throughout this whole fiasco has been almost schizophrenic, sometimes we're told the update is "nearly done" other times they seemingly have no idea. Though they have had their hiccups throughout the development of FET in general MITY has been pretty good at releasing quality updates in a relatively timely manner, so its confusing and disappointing to see them flounder around so much.

Im glad they finally decided to pause their patreon but I think its a little late, they should have done this last month at the very least. I dont think it was their intent but the fact that they basically said "people are giving us too much money and that puts a lot of pressure on us :(" was a little odd.

Unfortunately a lot of their patrons are still going to be (in my opinion) way too forgiving because the majority of people are still under the mindset that since pledging is voluntary you forfeit all rights to raise any objections to how creators do things, at least until you give them money.

If you look at all thats happened and still decide that you want to support them then I totally understand, its your money. But people have got to at least acknowledge this is not what should be expected of a team that usually is good about all this. I want to support them more in the future but I want to see some progress being made in making sure this kind of thing doesn't happen again, and at this point text posts saying "we promise" aren't going to cut it. That might sound harsh but since the last update every post they've made has turned out to have false predictions/deadlines.
 
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