Ren'Py Four Elements Trainer [v1.1.2b] [Mity]

[baneini]

I have been wondering this for a while , does anyone think that this project is the only thing they do for a living. To me I always get the sense these porn games on Patreon are side jobs for people who are already employed elsewhere. Sure they make a good amount of money even after Patreons cut but if you were a good creator would you want to solely rely on donations for a living?

You must be living under the assumption that game creation is magic that doesn't take a lot of hours.
When devs don't dedicate fully to a project they get pitiful amount of content over time, fail to get support due to low content, end up either dev going fulltime or abandoning the project or get ridiculous wait period between patches.

 

[Josh Spicer]

Only took 5 months to get to the point where they realized hey maybe we shouldnt be charging while at the same time outright stating we have no idea when the update is gonna be out

Not to be pedantic, but only two months went by that WERE charged and there wasn't a game release

Patrons weren't charged for December and won't be for January.

 

[darkgunner079]

Not to be pedantic, but only two months went by that WERE charged and there wasn't a game release

Patrons weren't charged for December and won't be for January.

Fair point

 

[APoc1]

You must be living under the assumption that game creation is magic that doesn't take a lot of hours.
When devs don't dedicate fully to a project they get pitiful amount of content over time, fail to get support due to low content, end up either dev going fulltime or abandoning the project or get ridiculous wait period between patches.

Not at all , plenty of people work two jobs a day some work three different jobs in a week. I am not assuming "because magic" LOL.
Just wondering how many have the Patreon thing as there main full time Job , certainly it is realistic to think not all of them just do the one gig and it would be realistic to think for the games that don't get a huge amount of support that the people involved would probably have other Jobs. Lets say persons involved after Patreons cut and taxes make 80k a year depending on where you happen to live and if you have a family to support that is not as much money as it would seem. People making 80k in say Sanfran can't even afford to buy a house and add kids into the equation if they have them the amount of money they would likely pull in is not all that after all is it. Now I can only speak for America being that is where I am I would expect though in a fair amount of European cities the cost of living is not really that cheap either.

So back to pondering , I wonder how many have other main jobs.

 

[RocketSurgery]

People who are making as much as MITY probably aren't working a full time coding job as well, it's entirely possible that this work is done while looking for a coding job and working part time at a service job.

 

[F1forhalp]

Not at all , plenty of people work two jobs a day some work three different jobs in a week. I am not assuming "because magic" LOL.
Just wondering how many have the Patreon thing as there main full time Job , certainly it is realistic to think not all of them just do the one gig and it would be realistic to think for the games that don't get a huge amount of support that the people involved would probably have other Jobs. Lets say persons involved after Patreons cut and taxes make 80k a year depending on where you happen to live and if you have a family to support that is not as much money as it would seem. People making 80k in say Sanfran can't even afford to buy a house and add kids into the equation if they have them the amount of money they would likely pull in is not all that after all is it. Now I can only speak for America being that is where I am I would expect though in a fair amount of European cities the cost of living is not really that cheap either.

So back to pondering , I wonder how many have other main jobs.

actually, alot of those games start as some idea, which then grown into some side project while the creators live their "normal life" having a job and whatnot. some use patreon more or less as a platform to introduce their project and "get the word out", and why not, make a few bucks if someone is interested. the money along with the issues tend to grow over time. more patrons more money, maybe more time to spend on developing, bigger project, it's a spiral. i know of the occasional guy explicitely declaring "i don't charge, this is a tip jar" for a while. i think he later hired someone and ofc had to pay that person.

if a project grows to the size and quality of FET, there's a rather large amount of time to put into, and that can interfere wiht the time you have for a job, or family, or hobbies. hm, maybe that's what started the down slope for cbob. just a guess.

 

[APoc1]

actually, alot of those games start as some idea, which then grown into some side project while the creators live their "normal life" having a job and whatnot. some use patreon more or less as a platform to introduce their project and "get the word out", and why not, make a few bucks if someone is interested. the money along with the issues tend to grow over time. more patrons more money, maybe more time to spend on developing, bigger project, it's a spiral. i know of the occasional guy explicitely declaring "i do't charge, this is a tip jar" for a while. i think he later hired someone and ofc had to pay that person.

if a project grows to the size and quality of FET, there's a rather large amount of time to put into, and that can interfere wiht the time you have for a job, or family, or hobbies. hm, maybe that's what started the down slope for cbob. just a guess.

That is kind of what I have been thinking. On the forums it tends to devolve into milking and "their responsibility to the patrons" but I have always figured it was a bit more complicated than that. It is helpful for people to keep in mind "Life happens"

 

[darkgunner079]

To be fair the amount of money they take in per month is plenty to live reasonably, meaning they could easily do FET full-time. Granted we couldn't possibly know what their lives outside of FET are like but their patreon could easily be a full time gig if they wanted

 

[APoc1]

To be fair the amount of money they take in per month is plenty to live reasonably, meaning they could easily do FET full-time. Granted we couldn't possibly know what their lives outside of FET are like but their patreon could easily be a full time gig if they wanted

How much are they pulling in? What is Patreon's cut? and what country(in other words tax burden) do the creators live in. For instance if they live in America there are federal taxes and in many states , state taxes. In foreign countries they would likely still pay a federal(USA Tax being Patreon is a US entity) and also pay some type of tax in the country they live in. If we know and I would presume someone does at least on the first two questions ,that would answer quite a lot. If we knew where Mity(artist and coder) hales from then the last question may be answerable as well. Obviously I am grasping at a theory that may have no relevance to the current delays being the reason stated is basically in a nut shell burn out. None the less I am curious about these questions.

 

[Kingzas]

How much are they pulling in? What is Patreon's cut? and what country(in other words tax burden) do the creators live in. For instance if they live in America there are federal taxes and in many states , state taxes. In foreign countries they would likely still pay a federal(USA Tax being Patreon is a US entity) and also pay some type of tax in the country they live in. If we know and I would presume someone does at least on the first two questions ,that would answer quite a lot. If we knew where Mity(artist and coder) hales from then the last question may be answerable as well. Obviously I am grasping at a theory that may have no relevance to the current delays being the reason stated is basically in a nut shell burn out. None the less I am curious about these questions.

Prior to them hiding their numbers, they were making $24,000/month. Patreon takes 5% as I understand it(they shouldn't have payment processing fees as an old creator, but I'm not sure), so that comes out to $22,800. They're a team of two, which means they each made around $11,400/month, or over $136,000/year. If that's even close to accurate, then they absolutely don't need other jobs.

 

[akkeji]

I hope they release the next version of korra love soon because it had started very well, you know if it will continue, that project is over and it will focus on the titans please korra come back please

 

[akkeji]

 

[APoc1]

Prior to them hiding their numbers, they were making $24,000/month. Patreon takes 5% as I understand it(they shouldn't have payment processing fees as an old creator, but I'm not sure), so that comes out to $22,800. They're a team of two, which means they each made around $11,400/month, or over $136,000/year. If that's even close to accurate, then they absolutely don't need other jobs.

Certainly if that is the case they should be doing well. They may not need other jobs but they may still have them. If it was me I would do quite well with that money being I live in a ural area the cost of housing is way cheaper of course everything else is much higher but housing is a large portion of peoples expenses. I don't even earn half of that sum. Well at any rate I hope they can pull it together and finish this project it would be a shame if it ended now at the almost conclusion of a good game.

 

[KrishKalra]

Prior to them hiding their numbers, they were making $24,000/month. Patreon takes 5% as I understand it(they shouldn't have payment processing fees as an old creator, but I'm not sure), so that comes out to $22,800. They're a team of two, which means they each made around $11,400/month, or over $136,000/year. If that's even close to accurate, then they absolutely don't need other jobs.

Hell, that's more then my family

 

[darkgunner079]

Assuming the game finishes, Im not honestly sure if we'll actually end up seeing a "book 5", but more likely an epilogue build that might be a bit larger than a standard build

I'm not so optimistic we'll get another full book out of them after 4, not with all thats happening, probably just a decent sendoff before they either go on a long hiatus or Marty dips to do his own thing

 

[Mistervd]

$11,400/month

Holy fuck, you literally can't earn that much money in my country without having the government asking you if you sell drugs or something.

 

[darth_order]

does someone has a full guide for the tunnels -_-

 

[akkeji]

korra bak please googo back

 

[happyneeee]

I wondering how to trigger the probending match with the fire ferrets，plz help—^—

 

[Frianko]

well.... maybe we can see next version of ours next live?