Ren'Py Four Elements Trainer [v1.1.2b] [Mity]

[Ratnedalu]

yeah of course there's always a million reasons why they're late to release an update and obviously it happens to all porn game creators, you can make a list of the worst things that can happen in someone's life and you can be sure that one day one of these Dev will use one of the things on the list to explain his delay (of course its possible he's telling the truth, but when I see all these excuses (which are sometimes totally stupid and incredible nonsense), I can't no longer believe them)
But as I said sometimes they tell the truth but we can't figure out if it's true or not and I end up doubting
ps: sorry for my bad english

I mean, this guy has a really good record. He's almost never on time to be fair, but he's never horribly late like others(WHT, IW, AP). If he says, for example "Nov 15th", you'll have it within 7 days of that. However, in order to keep better promises he stopped giving concrete deadlines--which is understandable considering everyone froths at the mouth the moment he's a day late. This is the first time he's had ANY big delay that I recall-- and I've been here since the concept was first given for Book 1.

MITY is very open about issues, and, while most people would go "Oh, my coworker can't work, time for me to take a break too!" in this business, MITY chugs along working into the future, and does extra things --like the Halloween update he did solo-- to keep us appeased and be ready for future updates.

But I totally get you for most of the Devs on this site. Witch Hunter Trainer's devs are shady as heck (they hide their patron profits), Amity Park's are rather defensive and very indecisive, having now split into a second game that's a genre cookiecutter breeder. Innocent Witches actually should be given some slack: JoeBanks as project leader has had to work with what his predecessor did, which is cockblock the game for 3 years straight and implement a story device (IMVOIS Laws) that disallow H-content. So Joe has to work on writing around all of his predecessor's blatant milking tactics in order to give us something decent. He's really open about what he's working on, and a really nice guy, but as a basic fact, due to the shenanigans of the previous devs, his game doesn't have good credibility to most.

 

[Hank Moody]

I don't think Mity is lying

However, I almost suspect that the coder is lying

Why I think this goes back to an earlier Mity blog post

He said something along the lines of "I asked the coder to send me what he has finished in order for me to help with it" Then Mitty goes on to say that the coder didn't want to send anything over because of reasons"

This makes me think that the coder didn't have anything done and was just telling Mitty what he wanted to hear

Boom

 

[Ratnedalu]

I don't think Mity is lying

However, I almost suspect that the coder is lying

Why I think this goes back to an earlier Mity blog post

He said something along the lines of "I asked the coder to send me what he has finished in order for me to help with it" Then Mitty goes on to say that the coder didn't want to send anything over because of reasons"

This makes me think that the coder didn't have anything done and was just telling Mitty what he wanted to hear

Boom

That could very well be.

 

[Trello]

MITY created with help an amazing game, with consistent updates, seemingly no breaks, that are always full of quality and fun.
The second he goes "Look guys, our coder is having a really hard time at the moment, he just needs a break" you lot all swoop in and cry a river of acid.

Get a grip. It's like dealing with a school of bloody infants.

 

[Balrog]

MITY created with help an amazing game, with consistent updates, seemingly no breaks, that are always full of quality and fun.
The second he goes "Look guys, our coder is having a really hard time at the moment, he just needs a break" you lot all swoop in and cry a river of acid.

Get a grip. It's like dealing with a school of bloody infants.

Mity make good money for what he does so he already get rewarded for it, we are in no way obligated to be any more lax or nice than we would be for anyone else from that point on, if it was charity work it would be another story but it isn't.

People can be dubious of what happens and talk about the infos they got and their opinions on it, chill out and accept it.

 

[Ratnedalu]

Mity make good money for what he does so he already get rewarded for it, we are in no way obligated to be any more lax or nice than we would be for anyone else from that point on, if it was charity work it would be another story but it isn't.

People can be dubious of what happens and talk about the infos they got and their opinions on it, chill out and accept it.

I mean, thats fair. But the same is true about us; We have a right to complain about your complaining.

I nonetheless think it sucks people are picking on MITY of all people. Go throw shade on Team Borsch, GZone, or any number of devs who deliver no content every time they update every half a year or so. GZone's last Amity Park update took 6 months iirc because they were working on a second game that's just a Breeding Season clone. Team Borsch works so slow that their updates usually have seasonal names, not numbers. Go pick on some of the Innocent Witches devs, even. Sad Crab is a mess, though JoeBanks is trying to get it fixed the guys under him are still not the best. There's a reason that it's usually Joe doing PR: Khan and the others tend to spit vitriol and rely on vague defensiveness.

This is MITY's first huge delay. Also, the Coder is out supposedly because of depression-based burnout (though it could be fake, like Botoxman said a few lines earlier). If he's depressed, then hearing 'fans' froth at the mouth about what they want instead of worrying what the situation-- and their own attitude!-- could do to the game at such a precarious time... it could make him far worse. Even if it's not depression and he just doesn't want to work for one reason or another, rioting in the streets is not going to help it. More flies with honey than with vinegar. It would suck if MITY (the company, not the entity, mind you) would implode at this stage of the game.

And quite frankly, I'm sick of people posting here just to rage against his personal problems. I have this game watched and get notifications every single time something is said. It depresses ME that over 75% of these notifications are rage posts.

 

[t4ewk]

Isn't MITY the artist? The coder took some time off; you can't just replace a coder that easy. From what I've heard from people who wanted to make mods for FET, the code is pretty messy. If that's true, replacing the coder would put the game on hold for at the very least a month, if not several.

 

[JoeBanks]

I mean, this guy has a really good record. He's almost never on time to be fair, but he's never horribly late like others(WHT, IW, AP). If he says, for example "Nov 15th", you'll have it within 7 days of that. However, in order to keep better promises he stopped giving concrete deadlines--which is understandable considering everyone froths at the mouth the moment he's a day late. This is the first time he's had ANY big delay that I recall-- and I've been here since the concept was first given for Book 1.

MITY is very open about issues, and, while most people would go "Oh, my coworker can't work, time for me to take a break too!" in this business, MITY chugs along working into the future, and does extra things --like the Halloween update he did solo-- to keep us appeased and be ready for future updates.

But I totally get you for most of the Devs on this site. Witch Hunter Trainer's devs are shady as heck (they hide their patron profits), Amity Park's are rather defensive and very indecisive, having now split into a second game that's a genre cookiecutter breeder. Innocent Witches actually should be given some slack: JoeBanks as project leader has had to work with what his predecessor did, which is cockblock the game for 3 years straight and implement a story device (IMVOIS Laws) that disallow H-content. So Joe has to work on writing around all of his predecessor's blatant milking tactics in order to give us something decent. He's really open about what he's working on, and a really nice guy, but as a basic fact, due to the shenanigans of the previous devs, his game doesn't have good credibility to most.

I am never horribly late, maybe 10 days, like last release. Generally speaking, for me it's real life. I have a full time job in a very challenging field. Luckily, I have nice lulls that require nothing, so I can be full time on the game.

But if the dev has made more than a single release in a year, they aren't the worst!

 

[Ratnedalu]

I am never horribly late, maybe 10 days, like last release. Generally speaking, for me it's real life. I have a full time job in a very challenging field. Luckily, I have nice lulls that require nothing, so I can be full time on the game.

But if the dev has made more than a single release in a year, they aren't the worst!

Ah, I never said you were late. I in fact said there's absolutely nothing wrong with you or your work ethic, man. As I said on your own game's page, all the issues that folks fault you for is from those before you. Those you work with, on the other hand... I'm sure you saw Khan's post the other day and I (among others) felt he was unnecessarily hostile.

And MITY is usually monthly or bi-monthly. He's often a bit late, but his coder is either having a breakdown or issues working and he told him to cool it for a while so people here are wigging because MITY's usually monthly or bi-monthly (that is to say every 2 months) has turned into three because of the coder's issues and then his forced vacation.

But yeah, that's my point: he's more frequent than more than a few devs on here, He's more frequent thank you, even. No offense intended. This ire is just so misplaced, there are so many devs that repeat "one more week, one more week, one more week, sorry sorry sorry almost done almost done almost done" for an entire 6 month stretch. MITY has gone over his normal timeframe, but he gave it to us straight: internal issues, delay due to coding mistakes, further delay while the coder recuperates. No "soon! next week! no, sorry, next week! sorry, week after!" MITY even took the time to do a Halloween release all on his own like he usually does. He drew it himself (because all the art is done it just needs coded in, so he had the time) then he coded it.

 

[reaperxii]

I don't think Mity is lying

However, I almost suspect that the coder is lying

Why I think this goes back to an earlier Mity blog post

He said something along the lines of "I asked the coder to send me what he has finished in order for me to help with it" Then Mitty goes on to say that the coder didn't want to send anything over because of reasons"

This makes me think that the coder didn't have anything done and was just telling Mitty what he wanted to hear

Boom

Honestly I've been thinking the same thing. There was a point before the coder took his vacation that mity said the update was a few days away. Now after the vacation it's not gonna be until the end of this month???? What happened to all the progress that the coder made before the vacation? It's almost like he's doing the whole update again from scratch. It just doesn't add up

 

[Deleted member 219103]

First of always remember, the coder is also the writer. So it'd not do with just a month delay to replace him, he might be irreplacible.

To his issue, if he really has a work-based depression breaking through I can attest from my own experience, that all his behaviour makes sense. Going on vacation to delay admitting his issue and to self-trick into thinking he's alright, not handing over code because yes, that'd show what a wreck he was and would be admission of incapability to work. All depressions are different, but if he has a type similiar to mine, then one core aspect is that you do not want to admit you're not productive and on top of your game anymore, because you don't want to seem, even less be a useless depressive pile (who does).

Now, I'm not saying doubts aren't in order, depressions can be easily used as an excuse too, as they're hard to prove from the outside. But his behaviour at least makes sense with the depressions.

I also don't think that laying into him here is necessarily a bad thing. It can force oneself to take a look in the mirror and decide if that's what one wants to be. A similiar thing helped me starting to get over it. Being supportive and understanding can be unintuitevly toxic however, as it can lull you into your sense of "Everything is fine, I don't need to change, depressions are bearable". So no matter what you say, you have equal chance of helping or not helping his mood, no way to tell.

 

[CarpeDiem69]

Something something depression something.

 

[Ouryuken]

If there's so much depression and so much burnout and so much "all the diseases in the world that somehow, every single Patreon porn game dev falls victim off", they could just pause the Patreon until the problems are solved

That's the absolute only way i believe a Dev actually has some issue that will delay them ~ they come out and say "im gonna pause for this month until i solve X or Y thing which will delay me" (and yes, some devs have done that)

If they dont pause, then its all just bullshit to cash in some free months

 

[IdarksoulsI]

If there's so much depression and so much burnout and so much "all the diseases in the world that somehow, every single Patreon porn game dev falls victim off", they could just pause the Patreon until the problems are solved

That's the absolute only way i believe a Dev actually has some issue that will delay them ~ they come out and say "im gonna pause for this month until i solve X or Y thing which will delay me" (and yes, some devs have done that)

If they dont pause, then its all just bullshit to cash in some free months

The artist never stopped working, only the coder did take a break. If you have doubts, just stop supporting them and come back (or don't) if they manage to recover from this. There's no point discussing this further for me because we really don't know what's really going on. What I do know is, that the artist is working hard every day and in a very stressful situation right now.

 

[Ouryuken]

The artist never stopped working, only the coder did take a break. If you have doubts, just stop supporting them and come back (or don't) if they manage to recover from this. There's no point discussing this further for me because we really don't know what's really going on. What I do know is, that the artist is working hard every day and in a very stressful situation right now.

Its absolutely irrelevant if the artist racks up 5000 years worth of art because "he keeps working", because it will still be delayed by the coder, even if he recovers from the supposed "depression" ~

The "supposed" ammount of work will never ever be shown unless he starts publishing a shitload of pinups (which wouldnt require code, its just art) to fill the gap between code and "amassed art from the days that he kept working while the coder scratches his balls"

Anyone can say they "work hard every day" when nobody checks on them and dont need to show anything/prove anything ~

 

[IdarksoulsI]

I'd say the Halloween special is proof enough.

 

[Balrog]

Yeah, the halloween thing was like it's own mini book, it was cool so i give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

[BastHouse]

Is the writing well regarded? I've found individual lines funny but no great sense of characterization in the actual talking to the girls part. I doubt people would notice if someone else started writing their own brand of irreverent dialogue. Maybe it's not fair to judge because I skip all the tedious dream sequences with the annoying snake and spirit characters. I did notice the writing was bad in book 2 in terms of continuity. Try playing the love route without romancing Mai, your character keeps forgetting he is romancing Azula and barely knows Mai.

Considering everyone who's looked says the code is badly written and the coder is apparently the idiot with the fetish for awful minigames I think the talented artist was being weighed down before the coder turned into a flaky albatross. I doubt the artist would replace the coder now, but I hope they pick someone else to work with on their next project.

 

[Balrog]

Is the writing well regarded? I've found individual lines funny but no great sense of characterization in the actual talking to the girls part. I doubt people would notice if someone else started writing their own brand of irreverent dialogue. Maybe it's not fair to judge because I skip all the tedious dream sequences with the annoying snake and spirit characters. I did notice the writing was bad in book 2 in terms of continuity. Try playing the love route without romancing Mai, your character keeps forgetting he is romancing Azula and barely knows Mai.

Considering everyone who's looked says the code is badly written and the coder is apparently the idiot with the fetish for awful minigames I think the talented artist was being weighed down before the coder turned into a flaky albatross. I doubt the artist would replace the coder now, but I hope they pick someone else to work with on their next project.

Personaly i liked it, it could be improved but it's better in term of humour and characters than like 99% of what i'v seen for that kind of game.

 

[Trello]

Mity make good money for what he does so he already get rewarded for it, we are in no way obligated to be any more lax or nice than we would be for anyone else from that point on, if it was charity work it would be another story but it isn't.

People can be dubious of what happens and talk about the infos they got and their opinions on it, chill out and accept it.

"MITY makes money so I'm allowed to be a complete asshole even though there's no justification to do so"

Reveals quite a lot about who you are as a person if you act like an utter twat to everyone who doesn't do what you want instantaneously.