Zerorox

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Nicki is great main LI, MC crush fucking with some asshole for years, then total friendzone humiliation
She's made this way as provocation for dark path, even though she explained everything to MC and it's really MC's beta-weakness to blame all that prologue)
For any player at least few times heavy friendzoned in real life... she's Just treasure of dark emotions even without any netorare content))

And the situation is... Players want to romance her but while they're just fuck-buddies, player can freely have fun with bitches, and if she'll agree for serious relationship it Will be end of harem-style fucking around, dilemma :ROFLMAO:

I'm not counting dark routes now, cause it's totally different shit, more into slavery/breaking so Character's willpower/mind is "damaged" in that routes
It's easy and short way (leading to nowhere) to take girl with brute force, while make her in love with you is long and rocky road
 

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I actually got kind of excited about this till I realised it was a joke. To be honest, it wouldn't really make much sense to remove her from the game but that doesn't really stop me from disliking her entire character. What can you do...
 

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I've had my fun, so I'll reiterate something I said a while back, re: Nicki. In the revamped Chapter One, you'll have an option to pay her without any kind of sex or romance being involved, keeping you purely on her friendship/neutral path. This will require a little extra work on my end for a couple scenes, but it'll give players one more way to approach things with their MC.
 

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All this Nicki drama is dumb imo. She's been a central part of the story since day one. You can have a love romance or turn her into your slave. If you can't stand her either way better look for another game.
Yeah, she's really central character here, can't evade her)
Can't say her drama is dumb, I've seen more stupid in real life, and it's at least somewhat believable (the more it seems stupid, the more it's believable tbh)
If dev'll make sex scene in first ep. avoidable it'll be really cool
 

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Yeah, she's really central character here, can't evade her)
Can't say her drama is dumb, I've seen more stupid in real life, and it's at least somewhat believable (the more it seems stupid, the more it's believable tbh)
If dev'll make sex scene in first ep. avoidable it'll be really cool
I meant the meta drama about the character. I like her, I think she's a great sidekick for our autistic MC :KEK:
 
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alukcoR

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I like Nikki even if I'm not particularly kind to her. Having her show up for the photoshoot and get bullied by the girl she was trying to stand up for was quite enjoyable. It's fun kind of rope a doping her in terms of being her friend and humiliating her at the same time. It's also nice having someone keeping the MC in a kind of grey area where he's not kind but not a psychopath either.
 

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Yeah, she's really central character here, can't evade her)
Can't say her drama is dumb, I've seen more stupid in real life, and it's at least somewhat believable (the more it seems stupid, the more it's believable tbh)
If dev'll make sex scene in first ep. avoidable it'll be really cool
Personally i think it's stupid idea to make the scene optional for two reasons.

1: MC has had long time crush on her, yes she isn't willing to leave her boyfriend at the moment of first episode, but she is basically making his long time fantasy of having sex with her true. Would the MC be disappointed in the fact that, at the time, it seems like one time situation? Definitely yes, but at the same time i have hard time seeing someone like MC refusing the chance to fulfill his desires at least once.

2: That encounter makes MC open his eyes to the idea of using money to start sexual relationships with others, but not directly just buying sex. Idea of having sugar babies, while also at least gaining the reputation for doing good.
 

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Personally i think it's stupid idea to make the scene optional for two reasons.

1: MC has had long time crush on her, yes she isn't willing to leave her boyfriend at the moment of first episode, but she is basically making his long time fantasy of having sex with her true. Would the MC be disappointed in the fact that, at the time, it seems like one time situation? Definitely yes, but at the same time i have hard time seeing someone like MC refusing the chance to fulfill his desires at least once.

2: That encounter makes MC open his eyes to the idea of using money to start sexual relationships with others, but not directly just buying sex. Idea of having sugar babies, while also at least gaining the reputation for doing good.
1: Yeah it indeed pushes that plot, but why not refuse? Some fantasy can remain fantasy. He isn't animal, at that moment at least.
2: It not Hard to get that idea even (especially) for such nerd as MC, and even if refuse, he'll still already get that idea after such situation.

Not to mention, it is always better when player decides, "maybe my MC's crush faded somewhat, and there are more sexy bitches or smth"
I personally have not much problems with her, but forced sex scenes are always shitty idea IMO
 
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HentaiKami

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1: Yeah it indeed pushes that plot, but why not refuse? Some fantasy can remain fantasy. He isn't animal, at that moment at least.
2: It not Hard to get that idea even (especially) for such nerd as MC, and even if refuse, he'll still already get that idea after such situation.

Not to mention, it is always better when player decides, "maybe my MC's crush faded somewhat, and there are more sexy bitches or smth"
I personally have not much problems with her, but forced sex scenes are always shitty idea IMO
1: It would be extremely hard in that situation for most to reject the offer considering the situation, when feelings are involved, rational mind and logic rarely are as effective. Also MC might have been hopefully thinking that if she really enjoys the sex, she would change her mind at that moment, it's something many in that situation would be thinking, even if in reality the chances of it happening are slim to none.

2: If MC didn't have that experience, it would still gnaw at the back of his head, how he could still have had his long time crush, even if it was for one night. That thought might be something on his mind for some time and not make him think of the idea of using money in that way, since he didn't go through with the experience. This way he has some closure with the crush on Nicki and more clear mind to think about it.

I don't mind sex scenes that are "forced" on player, if there's clear and understandable reasoning for the scene to happen in that situation. Especially when the scene happens between someone that MC has feelings with and MC. Now after that first episode, then it is different matter all together. Then it's fine to give the option to ignore Nicki as LI after that, but that first episode scene is crucial in my mind on how to portray and develop the mentality of MC. Otherwise i feel like there would be so many doubts going on in his mind.

Edit. Also for MC's crush to fade, MC would basically have to experience something that instantly makes Nicki repulsive character for MC, otherwise it will take time. Time like MC has between the first episode and when we see Nicki again, after she ghosted MC completely.
 

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makes the gaming all the more sweeter.
I've had my fun, so I'll reiterate something I said a while back, re: Nicki. In the revamped Chapter One, you'll have an option to pay her without any kind of sex or romance being involved, keeping you purely on her friendship/neutral path. This will require a little extra work on my end for a couple scenes, but it'll give players one more way to approach things with their MC.
We are here for the rollercoaster of a life MC is having once his secret got out with a bang.
Bang. Bang. Bang Nicks up the walls and all throughout the appartment all day every day.
Game on.
 

Zerorox

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Edit. Also for MC's crush to fade, MC would basically have to experience something that instantly makes Nicki repulsive character for MC, otherwise it will take time. Time like MC has between the first episode and when we see Nicki again, after she ghosted MC completely.
Something repulsive like MC's crush sent by her boyfriend to get money from him, cause they know that MC have crush on her and can use his feelings?

"Why not to get laid if you can" - that's not how it works, at list writing here is better then that.
I never said that scene is bad, it's all logical but still outcome can be other and it still be logical.
 

Romanul

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I like Nikki even if I'm not particularly kind to her. Having her show up for the photoshoot and get bullied by the girl she was trying to stand up for was quite enjoyable. It's fun kind of rope a doping her in terms of being her friend and humiliating her at the same time. It's also nice having someone keeping the MC in a kind of grey area where he's not kind but not a psychopath either.
I have to give praise to the author of the game. Rarely have I enjoyed a game so much. He manages to have a MC that does disturbing stuff without portraying him as comically evil. And the way the whole photoshoot ended with Nikki being bullied is just one of the great moments of writing in the game. Hell, even the dialogue with Nikki where he basically threatens her that if she doesn't come for breakfast to his place he will do to her place is great.

There is also the moment where Ashe is alone on a dark ally with the MC. I generally always pick the most evil route in games but in this case because the whole setting is not absurd like in most games, I felt that context wise it would make more sense for the MC not to risk having issues with the police and instead just have "fun" (blackmail) as his place with her so I took that route. Again great writing from the author.

Also, what is this Nikki drama about? Having enjoyed the character and especially MC's interactions with her I was surprised to see people asking for her to be removed from the game. I mean in the later chapter(s) she already
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which should be an indicator that unfortunately (for me) we will see less of her. What more do people want?
 
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Something repulsive like MC's crush sent by her boyfriend to get money from him, cause they know that MC have crush on her and can use his feelings?

"Why not to get laid if you can" - that's not how it works, at list writing here is better then that.
I never said that scene is bad, it's all logical but still outcome can be other and it still be logical.
I always maintained this idea that it made sense for MC to have sex with Nicki either way, buuuuut I think it'll be interesting to offer one path that essentially gives you two options -- turn her down for a nice reason (she has a boyfriend, it's just not a good time with the money situation being so fresh, etc.) or a bad reason (he suddenly sees her in a different light due to various factors).

Ultimately it won't be that much work to reconcile with the friendship paths that begin in Chapter 3. But it will leave the first chapter feeling super short for anyone who decides to skip Nicki's content. Maybe I'll add the option for MC to call up an escort or something..

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I have to give praise to the author of the game. Rarely have I enjoyed a game so much. He manages to have a MC that does disturbing stuff without portraying him as comically evil. And the way the whole photoshoot ended with Nikki being bullied is just one of the great moments of writing in the game. Hell, even the dialogue with Nikki where he basically threatens her that if she doesn't come for breakfast to his place he will do to her place is great.

There is also the moment where Ashe is alone on a dark ally with the MC. I generally always pick the most evil route in games but in this case because the whole setting is not absurd like in most games, I felt that context wise it would make more sense for the MC not to risk having issues with the police and instead just have "fun" (blackmail) as his place with her so I took that route. Again great writing from the author.

Also, what is this Nikki drama about? Having enjoyed the character and especially MC's interactions with her I was surprised to see people asking for her to be removed from the game. I mean in the later chapter(s) she already
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which should be an indicator that unfortunately (for me) we will see less of her. What more do people want?
Thanks so much for the kind words. I really try to provide a ton of options for people, and write the characters with some internal consistency.

And I wouldn't worry about Nicki disappearing or anything. She's stepping back a bit so some other characters get the spotlight, but she's still prominent in the next installment.

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