VN Ren'Py Friends in Need [Ch.10 v0.71] [NeonGhosts]

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

mean she's not annoying or anything and i really like the (hopeful) setup of her becoming good MC's step-daughter if he and Carolina hit it off

Looking back I was referring to gabby not maya. Maya is definitely a child and written in the story as one. Gabby is a child's body written as a viable sexual partner. I find this to bring my lunch up. To each their own though.

 

[soldano]

Disclaimer: This only applies to Friends in Need, hosted on SubStar.

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Don't punish the Dark Path too much, please. I understand that there are people who like consequences and blah blah blah. But if someone is an asshole in a game, it's because in real life they can't be. Or yes, but in the game there are no consequences. That is the grace.

I'm fine with Viola being broken. It seems to me that the MC actually feels that everyone is shying away from him. But if he can't have "toys", the game stops being fun to play on the Dark Path.

 

[UltimateRidersC]

Disclaimer: This only applies to Friends in Need, hosted on SubStar.

Following Viola's dark scene, she's basically catatonic. It can be assumed she improves a bit from that state, but she's left broken, and likely with years of therapy ahead of her. That's not an interesting dynamic between her and MC. Adding to that, she's a poor girl who works in a clothing store. Her utility to the MC is minimal.

Ashe is left wounded, but functional. She goes to work. She tries to ignore what happened, and move on with her life. And then MC shows back up at her house. Why? Well, she works at an institution where high society types tend to orbit, so she's a useful contact. And MC is still chasing a mystery surrounding a photo of her. But, Dark Path Ashe will also be stepping away before long, aside from the occasional appearance.

To continue showing Viola's scenes wouldn't serve the story. There's no healing for her, and there's no hope of redemption for Guy on that path. So, what's left? Watching her suffer?

And again, these girls disappearing is kind of a big part of the whole thematic arc of the game. Guy begins the game as kind of a miserable cynic, with one real friend. Through being a nice guy and caring about people, he's able to grow and gain a whole found family. Or he can continue being the guy he was, and where will that leave him?

MC has two paths in front of him. Rich asshole surrounded by toys but nobody who cares about him, or guy who gives freely and has his life enriched as a result.

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That suck to read through. I love to have more sex scene with Viola on the dark route but to hear that girls like her will disappear from the game on this route is a big turn off from playing this game.

 

[Krynh]

That suck to read through. I love to have more sex scene with Viola on the dark park but to hear that girls like her will disappear from the game on this route is a big turn off from playing this game.

It's called having an interesting and consistent story. There's plenty of games where you can violently rape people and still have them happy to do it, there aren't many that have actual consequences for your actions.

 

[Mr. Muscles]

People are surprised when they fuck around and actually find out. Shitty actions have consequences. The dev is even lenient enough to not fully cut-off these girls (that were raped, yes - raped) from the rest of story, which would make the most sense.

 

[NewTricks]

Disclaimer: This only applies to Friends in Need, hosted on SubStar.

Following Viola's dark scene, she's basically catatonic. It can be assumed she improves a bit from that state, but she's left broken, and likely with years of therapy ahead of her. That's not an interesting dynamic between her and MC. Adding to that, she's a poor girl who works in a clothing store. Her utility to the MC is minimal.

Ashe is left wounded, but functional. She goes to work. She tries to ignore what happened, and move on with her life. And then MC shows back up at her house. Why? Well, she works at an institution where high society types tend to orbit, so she's a useful contact. And MC is still chasing a mystery surrounding a photo of her. But, Dark Path Ashe will also be stepping away before long, aside from the occasional appearance.

To continue showing Viola's scenes wouldn't serve the story. There's no healing for her, and there's no hope of redemption for Guy on that path. So, what's left? Watching her suffer?

And again, these girls disappearing is kind of a big part of the whole thematic arc of the game. Guy begins the game as kind of a miserable cynic, with one real friend. Through being a nice guy and caring about people, he's able to grow and gain a whole found family. Or he can continue being the guy he was, and where will that leave him?

MC has two paths in front of him. Rich asshole surrounded by toys but nobody who cares about him, or guy who gives freely and has his life enriched as a result.

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The miserable bastard version of Guy may still end up being fun to play even though he is going to leave a path of human wreckage behind him. Having the stories of the girls terminate when he abuses them serves to give his vile actions real consequences, which is always a good thing. The critics of Nikki may end up having a point if she remains his only friend as he continues his rampage. She has already proven that she is given to toxic relationships and reluctant to leave even the worst of abusive situations.

On the flip side, it would be good if his well-intentioned actions could also lead to unintended consequences or suboptimal results with some of the girls. That's how life shakes out sometimes. Some people, when they get what they need from you, just disappear just as suddenly as they would if you hurt them. Not everybody knows how to express gratitude, and some people can even resent that they need assistance. It would be interesting if some relationships only flourish if the middle ground of exploitation and leverage is pursued rather than the beneficent or malevolent routes.

 

[Joshy92]

Wait there is a scene where you rape Violet?
Glad I didn't see that.

I always thought there was an evil path & a nice guy path.
I'm glad Neon cleared that up for me.

 

[Krynh]

Wait there is a scene where you rape Violet?
Glad I didn't see that.

I always thought there was an evil path & a nice guy path.
I'm glad Neon cleared that up for me.

Go to the clothes shop without Gabby. You can get violet to model clothes for money and then you can just rape her

 

[char_2.0]

Don't punish the Dark Path too much, please. I understand that there are people who like consequences and blah blah blah. But if someone is an asshole in a game, it's because in real life they can't be. Or yes, but in the game there are no consequences. That is the grace.

I'm fine with Viola being broken. It seems to me that the MC actually feels that everyone is shying away from him. But if he can't have "toys", the game stops being fun to play on the Dark Path.

I just hope the Dev doesn't change the course of the game just out of political correctness, because of a few whiny snowflakes.

The game is great the way it is.

If anyone is complaining, for games without balls they can play DeadGame Survival

 

[NeonGhosts]

I think anyone who plays the next installment will realize I'm not backing off the dark stuff. I just want there to be reasonable, semi-realistic repercussions. Also, the game is already weighted wayyyy in favor of the dark route. It's only right to balance that out a bit as time goes on, contrasting immediate gratification with relationship building.

Anyhow, here's a little idea I've been kicking around for a future Mason scene where MC feels a little frustrated with Nicki, and needs some stress relief.

 

[soldano]

People are surprised when they fuck around and actually find out. Shitty actions have consequences. The dev is even lenient enough to not fully cut-off these girls (that were raped, yes - raped) from the rest of story, which would make the most sense.

What would make sense is that they put you in prison. No matter how much money you have. Or one of these girls stick a fork in your eye for being a fucking rapist.
But come on man, this is a game. It does not reflect reality as it is.

 

[Ragnar]

It's a game but Guy can't fly like Superman. Stories follow their own rules depending on the world builded by the storyteller. FIN world seems to be grounded on reality more or less.

 

[Uriel ☁]

Okay I've read Ashe's short story and... she's too precious and must be protected at all costs!

Cole as well but, well, he can protect himself well enough.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

Okay I've read Ashe's short story and... she's too precious and must be protected at all costs!

Cole as well but, well, he can protect himself well enough.

Could you lead me to that? I searched but couldn't find it.

Anyhow, here's a little idea I've been kicking around for a future Mason scene where MC feels a little frustrated with Nicki, and needs some stress relief.

I am conflicted, I'd like to see a dark path scene for Nicki but I'd avoid it like the plague if it is for Mason. What to do?

 

[Uriel ☁]

Could you lead me to that? I searched but couldn't find it.

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Available for all tiers, it'll probably become public in the next weeks if it'll be like the Viola one.

 

[Machete]

The idea of Viola being a viable love interest albeit in a submission path after the first interaction between her and MC is a mindless rape is just dumb and i don't think it's worth advocating for.

If one wants a submissive Viola path he can go fo the payed strip show and refrain from raping her. It works as a start of an abuisive relationship. Rape just doesn't.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

Disclaimer: This only applies to Friends in Need, hosted on SubStar.

Following Viola's dark scene, she's basically catatonic. It can be assumed she improves a bit from that state, but she's left broken, and likely with years of therapy ahead of her. That's not an interesting dynamic between her and MC. Adding to that, she's a poor girl who works in a clothing store. Her utility to the MC is minimal.

Ashe is left wounded, but functional. She goes to work. She tries to ignore what happened, and move on with her life. And then MC shows back up at her house. Why? Well, she works at an institution where high society types tend to orbit, so she's a useful contact. And MC is still chasing a mystery surrounding a photo of her. But, Dark Path Ashe will also be stepping away before long, aside from the occasional appearance.

To continue showing Viola's scenes wouldn't serve the story. There's no healing for her, and there's no hope of redemption for Guy on that path. So, what's left? Watching her suffer?

And again, these girls disappearing is kind of a big part of the whole thematic arc of the game. Guy begins the game as kind of a miserable cynic, with one real friend. Through being a nice guy and caring about people, he's able to grow and gain a whole found family. Or he can continue being the guy he was, and where will that leave him?

MC has two paths in front of him. Rich asshole surrounded by toys but nobody who cares about him, or guy who gives freely and has his life enriched as a result.

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It's called having an interesting and consistent story. There's plenty of games where you can violently rape people and still have them happy to do it, there aren't many that have actual consequences for your actions.

Can never be said enough, the fact this game deals with choices and consequences is one of its strong points. Plus the good character development. They trully set Friends in Nedd apart from most porn games that deal with the "corruption" theme.

The miserable bastard version of Guy may still end up being fun to play even though he is going to leave a path of human wreckage behind him. Having the stories of the girls terminate when he abuses them serves to give his vile actions real consequences, which is always a good thing. The critics of Nikki may end up having a point if she remains his only friend as he continues his rampage. She has already proven that she is given to toxic relationships and reluctant to leave even the worst of abusive situations.

On the flip side, it would be good if his well-intentioned actions could also lead to unintended consequences or suboptimal results with some of the girls. That's how life shakes out sometimes. Some people, when they get what they need from you, just disappear just as suddenly as they would if you hurt them. Not everybody knows how to express gratitude, and some people can even resent that they need assistance. It would be interesting if some relationships only flourish if the middle ground of exploitation and leverage is pursued rather than the beneficent or malevolent routes.

I fully expect/hope rapist Guy to end up dead or in jail in some bad ending in the future.
About your second paragraph while i would also like to see something like that maybe the scope would become too big for one developer alone to handle? Well now i am curious to know what Neonghosts think about this.

I think anyone who plays the next installment will realize I'm not backing off the dark stuff. I just want there to be reasonable, semi-realistic repercussions. Also, the game is already weighted wayyyy in favor of the dark route. It's only right to balance that out a bit as time goes on, contrasting immediate gratification with relationship building.

Anyhow, here's a little idea I've been kicking around for a future Mason scene where MC feels a little frustrated with Nicki, and needs some stress relief.

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So is this some roleplay like the blowjob scene with Mason or "rapist Guy strikes again" type of scene?

 

[Mr. Muscles]

What would make sense is that they put you in prison. No matter how much money you have. Or one of these girls stick a fork in your eye for being a fucking rapist.
But come on man, this is a game. It does not reflect reality as it is.

Yes, but then there wouldn't be game for you folks, right? So the most sensible option for some characters is to somewhat take them off the story. It's an easy math.

Also yes, it's a game, and the dev wants to play out a semi-realistic story within the context of this product being an AVN. So, get over it, I guess? It's his story, there's plenty of other games where you do this sort of stuff with zero consequences.

 

[allanl9020142]

I keep thinking thinking someone is saying "guy" not "Guy" and it takes me a second to realize they're talking about the MC. Especially when I'm expecting a bunch of typos in a rant and just automatically assume he didn't mean to capitalize "G".

Spoiler: "That guy!" "No ... that Guy!"

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[PHIL101-YYouPPHard]

Those are two different situations:
- Ashe scene is blackmail and coercion. They know each other and Guy has power over her life situation.
- Viola dark scene is plain rape. Viola doesn't know who her rapist is.

Ashe 100% got raped in the alley in dark route.

- Ashe tolerates it because her work depends on Guy. It's like Harvey Weinstein's rapes.
- Viola can go to the police and say some dude raped me. She leaves her work because she was raped right there.

Ashe could do the same (go to police I mean). More easily I would argue since her life situation isn't as dire as Viola's. But, I guess Viola is far more vulnerable and meek than Ashe, mentally. Based on what Neon has said, that seems to be the major difference that has dictated their dark routes.

Disclaimer: This only applies to Friends in Need, hosted on SubStar.

Following Viola's dark scene, she's basically catatonic. It can be assumed she improves a bit from that state, but she's left broken, and likely with years of therapy ahead of her. That's not an interesting dynamic between her and MC. Adding to that, she's a poor girl who works in a clothing store. Her utility to the MC is minimal.

Ashe is left wounded, but functional. She goes to work. She tries to ignore what happened, and move on with her life. And then MC shows back up at her house. Why? Well, she works at an institution where high society types tend to orbit, so she's a useful contact. And MC is still chasing a mystery surrounding a photo of her. But, Dark Path Ashe will also be stepping away before long, aside from the occasional appearance.

To continue showing Viola's scenes wouldn't serve the story. There's no healing for her, and there's no hope of redemption for Guy on that path. So, what's left? Watching her suffer?

And again, these girls disappearing is kind of a big part of the whole thematic arc of the game. Guy begins the game as kind of a miserable cynic, with one real friend. Through being a nice guy and caring about people, he's able to grow and gain a whole found family. Or he can continue being the guy he was, and where will that leave him?

MC has two paths in front of him. Rich asshole surrounded by toys but nobody who cares about him, or guy who gives freely and has his life enriched as a result.

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I trust where you're taking your game of course even though I'd have my own preferences Although, given that we were teased with anal grape, my evil MC definitely feels like there's some unfinished business...

Looking back I was referring to gabby not maya. Maya is definitely a child and written in the story as one. Gabby is a child's body written as a viable sexual partner. I find this to bring my lunch up. To each their own though.

Oh, I see. Well, Gabby definitely doesn't look 8, whereas Maya does, so you had me super confused lol. Gabby looks no younger than ~15-16 to me, definitely not a child's body. But, back in my college days, there were definitely a number of girls that looked very young, yet were of legal age, so... she could just as easily be an 18-2# year-old woman as well. Fair enough, though, to each their own as you've said.

Obviously this isn't your argument, but it reminds me of the noticeable increase of people these days who are hyper-sensitive to any kind of youth. Like... to the extent that some people call 18 year olds children. I respect their intentions, we don't want our young people to be taken advantage of and 18 year-olds are still certainly young and are certainly taken advantage of (porn industry..), but at the same time, I have to give my head a very thorough scratch in response to viewing them as children.

There's plenty of games where you can violently rape people and still have them happy to do it, there aren't many that have actual consequences for your actions.

No dark route enthusiasts here are asking for Viola to be up for it, obviously that would defeat the point of the dark route. I think people just weren't expecting the consequences to happen so soon and were hoping for at least a few more scenes, especially given that Nicki's and Ashe's dark routes continuing are also a bit of a stretch. I guess we just figured Viola's would be as well, but would continue nonetheless. I'm a little sad about it, but I'm also always open to the author's vision for their game, so I'm up for w/e is thrown my way, especially since I'm a freeloader.

Also, regarding plenty of games with rape content, there really isn't Or at least there aren't any well-made ones. Every time I've searched, all I come across is dumpster fire trash. This game truly is a gem in that, not only is there well-written normal wholesome romance/corruption content that we all recognize, but there's horrific stuff in it too! And that, too, is well-written! It's not at all cartoonish or stupid or totally lacking in depth, which is usually the case with the super hardcore content on this site. If there really are other great games with content that is just as dark and just as well-executed, I'd love for people to PM me them, because I definitely haven't found them. Closest I've come is Raptus, but that's not ideal for me either (no offense to the dev, it's a good game though). Desert Stalker definitely has heavy dom content that you could argue approaches sexual assault here and there, but it just doesn't remotely come close to the tone of this game's dark route imo (if any of you haven't played Desert Stalker, btw, go play it; one of the best games on this site by far).