VN Ren'Py Friends in Need [Ch.10 v0.71] [NeonGhosts]

[Fauxcest]

Looks like the same model to me and she gave a clue that suggests as much.

- The three have the same eye colour;
- In one of Sapphire scenes we find out she works for someone and they yell at her and she ends the camshow abruptly. If we dig her background we also find out someone's covering her tracks and deleting her online info;
- Cherry asks for her sisters when she wakes up;
- Pepper got beaten by someone and is afraid of cops, she's also writing a story in her blog about a girl being controlled by a man who's turning her into something horrible and she can't do anything about it.

Doesn't seem like a coincidence, they're all caught up in Lucien's web. I also believe they might be a reference of the Radiant(don't know if you played it) triplets. In that game, the blonde twin is the slutty one(here the blonde is the camgirl), the brunette is the moody one (acts the same way as Pepper) and the redhead is the lovey dovey one (although here she's being held captive by psychos and we didn't get to know her properly)

 

[Naiton]

Koga3 has a patched port

Can you link that ? Dunno to browse 700 pages

 

[HiP1]

True but the way the conversation is told gave me the impression that her guilt and conscience is a secondary reason and not all that important to her in why she is doing this. To me it really felt like she just wanted to help but that's all on our own personal interpretation anyways. As to me it doesn't come across selfish but it would to someone else

her suicide attempt shows that the guilt and conscience are not secondary at all. it was so much that she wanted to end it all. she was brought back and now the only way to get rid of the guilt is MC.

I just did a quick speed run through the game and discovered something new to me.
It turns out you can have sex with Risa twice this update first at the hotel and then at her house.

how did you miss that the first time ? you need to focus or you might miss Mason's content next update !

played the update after a little break and ... that took a dark turn. While there were some topics like homelessness, prostitution etc. in previous episodes, I was very much put off by the drug den and associated porn. I am aware that these things exist but did not expect to be confronted with reality in a porn game. talk about buzzkill.

Concerning Risa and her father

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I am playing mostly romance and there are many balls in the air at the moment, still waiting for Madison and Carolina.
Please keep up the great work, dev!

it's not reasonable at all, it's ultra toxic. he does all that against her will, she lost all freedom. even though she is an adult, 24 years old. he is just super controlling and obsessed with his reputation and image. you can't help an addict that doesn't decide themselves to get better. he doesn't even acknowledge that she is indeed getting better. he doesn't even love her for who she is. he wanted a very specific kind of kid. he might care about her in his own twisted way, but he only achieved the opposite of what he wanted. and he can't see that the issue is mostly himself. he only gets away with it because he is rich.
and he doesn't "err on the side of caution" about MC. he DEMANDS that MC stops seeing his daughter and threatens/insults him. he has access to very detailed information about MC, so he KNOWS that MC doesn't do drugs and doesn't provide her with drugs. he only wants her daughter to avoid associating with a guy that came from poor origins.
MC runs a charity, helps people, he is known for it. Risa's dad is not known for his charity, except to reduce his taxes... he runs hotels and real estate businesses, all for profit. the compound he "built" is just his elitist fantasy there is no vision, it's just class discrimination.

 

[Dessolos]

her suicide attempt shows that the guilt and conscience are not secondary at all. it was so much that she wanted to end it all. she was brought back and now the only way to get rid of the guilt is MC.

at that time yes it was about her guilt and conscience first and foremost. However in the present time my interpretation is that it is secondary for her because stopping Lucien and helping the other girls comes first . Just like I said in my last post it's a matter of our own personal interpretation. To me the conversation she had with Guy made it seem like her guilt and conscience didn't matter as much as stopping Lucien and help the other girls , which is why to me personally she doesn't come across selfish. But yeah it's always going to be part of the reason why just to me it isn't the biggest part / reason why she is doing what is doing. But I do understand why it would be the opposite for others / how it comes across she is doing it more because she feels guilty..

 

[KryperCreeping]

As a bimbofication fan, the Nikki bimbo transformation in the mini-sode was a thing of beauty.

Probably was just for the scene, but a fully corrupted Nikki going full blonde bimbo and looking like she does in that dream scene would be amazing to see as the game continues. At least we did get a vision of it though.

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[HiP1]

at that time yes it was about her guilt and conscience first and foremost. However in the present time my interpretation is that it is secondary for her because stopping Lucien and helping the other girls comes first . Just like I said in my last post it's a matter of our own personal interpretation. To me the conversation she had with Guy made it seem like her guilt and conscience didn't matter as much as stopping Lucien and help the other girls , which is why to me personally she doesn't come across selfish. But yeah it's always going to be part of the reason why just to me it isn't the biggest part / reason why she is doing what is doing. But I do understand why it would be the opposite for others / how it comes across she is doing it more because she feels guilty..

well, guilt and conscience are the motivation, and stopping lucien and helping girls are the goal. either way, what matters is that she is willing to actually do something. whatever her motivation is, she is doing good and she is getting better. MC is the turning point that might decide whether she is saved and clean or falls back in addiction and misery. She needs YOU

 

[Joshy92]

I'm a little confused I thought I read that the sex scene with Risa in the motel was on the corruption path.
To me it seemed rather sweet at least with what I chose. Did I have a crazy fever dream of that being called a corruption scene?

 

[Simpgor]

I'm a little confused I thought I read that the sex scene with Risa in the motel was on the corruption path.
To me it seemed rather sweet at least with what I chose. Did I have a crazy fever dream of that being called a corruption scene?

Your horniness overpowered your simpness

 

[Joshy92]

Your horniness overpowered your simpness

Happens all the time I'm afraid. If only these babes weren't so awesome it would be easy to ignore them.

 

[soprano31]

I'm a little confused I thought I read that the sex scene with Risa in the motel was on the corruption path.
To me it seemed rather sweet at least with what I chose. Did I have a crazy fever dream of that being called a corruption scene?

In the motel scene you can choose to just rape her straight away(the real devilish route),
or just wait until she is sober.
And then you can still choose how to treat her,
roughly,brutally in your way(corruption),or tenderly,romantically(love).

 

[NeonGhosts]

Lots of good discussion in the thread, recently! Sorry I can't reply to everything, but I do read it all, and appreciate seeing everyone dissect the story and characters a bit. Didn't expect ol' Carl to get so much attention..

Oh, fun fact: Carl/Risa's last name comes from the

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series of books, by Lawrence Block. And Owen is my little nod towards one of my favorite cartoons.

just played update after replaying the second half of the game.

MC's obsession with Ashe's Halloween photo and his own photo with Nicki didn't progress. I didn't think Lucien would be linked to it, but I thought MC would have some kind of small breakthrough after seeing Lucien's photos. Might be that MC is somehow recognizing the style of the pictures, like the composition and framing, and Dutch angle style. maybe they were taken by Vaughn or Jamie

NeonGhosts aside from the typos, I stumbled upon this small bug in the code, and it seems the "mslove" part should be for when MC accepts Mason's gender as male instead.

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I'm a bit disappointed that when MC turns Risa down in the hotel, and choose not to take advantage of her, it's worth less relationship points than executing the sex scene "perfectly". her reaction would suggest that she would value MC being a very good guy higher than him being a good fuck while she is half conscious.

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If all goes to plan, we'll finally get some payoff for the Ashe/Nicki photo mystery in Chapter 10. As for the coding error -- ack, good catch! Thanks! The Mason bug will be fixed for the next build. And you're probably right about Risa's points.. I'll make an adjustment. It won't mess anything up for me to retroactively screw with the points, as we won't see her again until after the Chapter 1 remake.

I feel this so much almost every camgirl I come across in AVN's are either side girls / one night stands or the camgirl part isn't really part of the relationship it's something I would really like to explore in an AVN for once. So it was big let down for me. But I still look forward to more updates for her character despite my disappointment

tbh, Sapphire's whole situation is kind of a reflection of my feelings towards the abusive side of sex work, informed by the experiences of some good friends of mine. For that matter, FiN as a whole kind of takes a dim view towards sex work, and the way it tends to prey on desperate people.

That said? I have a lot of fun with Sapphire's webcam sequences, and I don't believe all sex work is exploitative. So, there's a big part of me that'd enjoy exploring it from a different, more positive angle. I have an idea for that, but it's a ways off.

Hey NeonGhosts, I played the dark route over the last few days and will continue with romance route and come back with more thoughts. But for now: I will say that I enjoyed the update, no surprise there!

Always good to hear your thoughts, Phil! I'm going to side-step too much of the dark discussion, but I'll touch on a few of your points.

Pepper: The fun thing about this game, is I'm often finding new things I didn't realize I was into. :'D Happy to bring that joy to others! Dry-humping some sexy fishnets was definitely something I didn't expect to make a focus of the scene, but once I saw them, well.. >_> I'm just a sucker for shoes, socks and stockings though, so I'll always do my best to feature them.

Alex: I do just love the visual of Guy shuffle-stepping with his pants around his knees. :'D The whole scene is a little bit silly, I agree. But, sometimes I just want to indulge my fanboy tendencies, and do some old-fashioned AVN hijinks.

Super-Spoiler: Hm, that's a pretty bright idea..

 

[PHIL101-YYouPPHard]

- The three have the same eye colour;
- In one of Sapphire scenes we find out she works for someone and they yell at her and she ends the camshow abruptly. If we dig her background we also find out someone's covering her tracks and deleting her online info;
- Cherry asks for her sisters when she wakes up;
- Pepper got beaten by someone and is afraid of cops, she's also writing a story in her blog about a girl being controlled by a man who's turning her into something horrible and she can't do anything about it.

Doesn't seem like a coincidence, they're all caught up in Lucien's web. I also believe they might be a reference of the Radiant(don't know if you played it) triplets. In that game, the blonde twin is the slutty one(here the blonde is the camgirl), the brunette is the moody one (acts the same way as Pepper) and the redhead is the lovey dovey one (although here she's being held captive by psychos and we didn't get to know her properly)

I caught about half of those you mention, so good eye! Although I've only played the dark route so far, I'm sure we got much more info out of Pepper on nice routes which I plan to play next when I get a chance.

And yep, played Radiant. I told Neon as much in my review of this update, though less directly in case Neon wants to keep it on the hush hush. Glad I have someone else who also saw it! I'm sure it's meant as an homage, and no offense to the Radiant devs, but I think I will prefer Neon's take. Radiant did a good job on hitting some kinks, as it introduced me to my very first hardcore spanking scene which I will never forget, and it has really great renders, but I'm afraid it leaves a lot to be desired in the writing department for me personally. Not to mention some other issues, but don't want to start a whole off-topic thing.

Anyways, I'm super, super excited about it! There's no way we won't at least get some sexual content with the other two triplets at a minimum, but I can also see them having romance routes as well alongside Pepper. I said in another post that triplets tend to have a lot in common and tend to hang around each other a lot (usually), and given that plus the fact their stories are so tied up with Pepper's, I don't think it will be as big of a workload to work them in as, say, Wren or Alex or one of the girl's hot moms would be. If he can figure out a way to have a believable 3-way romance with them, or at least a 3-way corruption, oof, my cock will never recover Just my fantasy ofc, nothing's set in stone and I will be pleased with w/e Neon plans.

it's not reasonable at all, it's ultra toxic. he does all that against her will, she lost all freedom. even though she is an adult, 24 years old. he is just super controlling and obsessed with his reputation and image. you can't help an addict that doesn't decide themselves to get better. he doesn't even acknowledge that she is indeed getting better. he doesn't even love her for who she is. he wanted a very specific kind of kid. he might care about her in his own twisted way, but he only achieved the opposite of what he wanted. and he can't see that the issue is mostly himself. he only gets away with it because he is rich.
and he doesn't "err on the side of caution" about MC. he DEMANDS that MC stops seeing his daughter and threatens/insults him. he has access to very detailed information about MC, so he KNOWS that MC doesn't do drugs and doesn't provide her with drugs. he only wants her daughter to avoid associating with a guy that came from poor origins.
MC runs a charity, helps people, he is known for it. Risa's dad is not known for his charity, except to reduce his taxes... he runs hotels and real estate businesses, all for profit. the compound he "built" is just his elitist fantasy there is no vision, it's just class discrimination.

I know you weren't replying to me, and I don't want to speak for the other guy, but I think he means that the father's reasons behind his actions are sensible. His actions themselves, on the other hand, are exactly as you say, ultra toxic and counter-productive. While, yeah, the father is a bit of a cliche, his attitudes and the way he talks etc., but I think Neon has done a good job at making a multi-layered character here. Because ignoring the obnoxious tone and coldly expressed sentiments, I honestly see every father behind there. His methods are what are problematic. Well, and his lack of showing love of course. Sadly, that's probably something passed down through the family.

As a bimbofication fan, the Nikki bimbo transformation in the mini-sode was a thing of beauty.

Probably was just for the scene, but a fully corrupted Nikki going full blonde bimbo and looking like she does in that dream scene would be amazing to see as the game continues. At least we did get a vision of it though.

Spoiler: Bimbofication

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Hell yeah! Tbh, I never saw what people liked about bimbofication until I played Defending Lydia Collier. That game introduced me to it and did a pretty damn good job of it to my surprise. I will of course be a satisfied lil goon if Neon only plans for it to be a fun little fantasy, but if he actualizes it as a potential route, I will have a ton of fun with it!

 

[Dessolos]

I'm a little confused I thought I read that the sex scene with Risa in the motel was on the corruption path.
To me it seemed rather sweet at least with what I chose. Did I have a crazy fever dream of that being called a corruption scene?

I choose not to sleep with her after watching it once. To me it seems she doesn't want to sleep with the MC then and there but only does because how she dragged him to the drug den and feels it's the least she could do. She even hugs and thanks the MC for saying he didn't want to sleep with her as he didn't want to take advantage of her. That and the look in eyes is priceless cause how happy she looks at that moment. So I say it counts as corruption at least I dont see it as being romantic.

 

[Joshy92]

You read everything bro? Well shit I don't want you to think I'm a horny pervert all the time I promise I'm also very romantic.

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

Oh, fun fact: Carl/Risa's last name comes from the

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series of books, by Lawrence Block. And Owen is my little nod towards one of my favorite cartoons.

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fun fact xanatos and Fox are one of my favorite couples ever

and I'm not looking for judgment but did anybody else love Demona

 

[PHIL101-YYouPPHard]

Lots of good discussion in the thread, recently! Sorry I can't reply to everything, but I do read it all, and appreciate seeing everyone dissect the story and characters a bit. Didn't expect ol' Carl to get so much attention..

Oh, fun fact: Carl/Risa's last name comes from the

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series of books, by Lawrence Block. And Owen is my little nod towards one of my favorite cartoons.

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If all goes to plan, we'll finally get some payoff for the Ashe/Nicki photo mystery in Chapter 10. As for the coding error -- ack, good catch! Thanks! The Mason bug will be fixed for the next build. And you're probably right about Risa's points.. I'll make an adjustment. It won't mess anything up for me to retroactively screw with the points, as we won't see her again until after the Chapter 1 remake.



tbh, Sapphire's whole situation is kind of a reflection of my feelings towards the abusive side of sex work, informed by the experiences of some good friends of mine. For that matter, FiN as a whole kind of takes a dim view towards sex work, and the way it tends to prey on desperate people.

That said? I have a lot of fun with Sapphire's webcam sequences, and I don't believe all sex work is exploitative. So, there's a big part of me that'd enjoy exploring it from a different, more positive angle. I have an idea for that, but it's a ways off.



Always good to hear your thoughts, Phil! I'm going to side-step too much of the dark discussion, but I'll touch on a few of your points.

Pepper: The fun thing about this game, is I'm often finding new things I didn't realize I was into. :'D Happy to bring that joy to others! Dry-humping some sexy fishnets was definitely something I didn't expect to make a focus of the scene, but once I saw them, well.. >_> I'm just a sucker for shoes, socks and stockings though, so I'll always do my best to feature them.

Alex: I do just love the visual of Guy shuffle-stepping with his pants around his knees. :'D The whole scene is a little bit silly, I agree. But, sometimes I just want to indulge my fanboy tendencies, and do some old-fashioned AVN hijinks.

Super-Spoiler: Hm, that's a pretty bright idea..

Very much appreciated!

BTW, I just remembered another thing. Noelle's name has a number of tongue-in-cheeks about it. Other than the fact she says "no" a lot, which was a hilarious exchange btw, Asian people would have trouble pronouncing it, which is the 2nd pun "No L". Makes me think the name was given to her (I mean, besides you lol), I don't know if by Carl or whoever. I'm not gonna lie, it gave me a little guilty titter that I can't take back, but also, it's really mean and sad, poor girl. Someone using her very name to forever mock her + her 'robotic precision' (certainly 'trained' in her..) you mentioned makes me feel really, really bad for her

 

[ename144]

Lots of good discussion in the thread, recently! Sorry I can't reply to everything, but I do read it all, and appreciate seeing everyone dissect the story and characters a bit. Didn't expect ol' Carl to get so much attention..

Oh, fun fact: Carl/Risa's last name comes from the

You must be registered to see the links

series of books, by Lawrence Block. And Owen is my little nod towards one of my favorite cartoons.

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No complaints this time, I can appreciate a good Gargoyles reference. I had wondered about the similarities, but figured I was imagining it since Mr. Rhodenbarr isn't exactly the Xanatos' type. But now that you've confirmed the connection, it has me thinking...

As I recall, "Owen" started out working for Halcyon Renard, then left to work for his daughter's boyfriend since he thought Xanatos was more fun. I'm not interested in romancing Risa, but if this Owen would consider a similar career change for her platonic friend, you might have something there. It would be much easier to forgive Risa's shortcomings if we get a hyper-competent henchman in the bargain. Just saying.

 

[Joshy92]

Mason is such a good kitty. I want to shove my tongue up his arse as far as possible.

 

[Machete]

I'm a little confused I thought I read that the sex scene with Risa in the motel was on the corruption path.
To me it seemed rather sweet at least with what I chose. Did I have a crazy fever dream of that being called a corruption scene?

You can go on a corrupt path or on a nice path with the scene, but either way you bang her in exchange for your help, so it's kinda on a jerk side either ways.

 

[Dessolos]

You can go on a corrupt path or on a nice path with the scene, but either way you bang her in exchange for your help, so it's kinda on a jerk side either ways.

Which is why turning her down and telling her you dont want to take advantage is my favorite path for her