VN Ren'Py Friends in Need [Ch.10 v0.71] [NeonGhosts]

[PHIL101-YYouPPHard]

Thank you for that detailed explanation. For now, I'll stick with the Friends route as I really need a good dude friend to counter the heavy feminine energy my MC is surrounded in. Maybe later on I'll explore his other routes for the story as I am still curious how he will develop in a situation where he isn't being exploited on the streets on a daily basis.



Foremost, thank you for your weighted opinion. Regrettably however, it seems you might have taken my preference for a "balanced relationship", too literally. While I agree with your assessment that MC will almost always have an edge thanks to his extreme financial prowess and doubly so if you support LIs positively, making them heavily indebted to his goodwill but, there is still a valid emotional argument to be made here.

Let's say if someone is in dire need of your aid and offers you sex in that moment, would you interpret the motivation behind it as genuine love? Or simply a desperate attempt to sweeten the deal so they can secure what they need from you? Of-course it could be the former, but in that moment, the situation isn't exactly easy to analyze.

Now the same thing happens, but this time no favors are in the air. Personally, I'd struggle less with this one as the only thing weighing more on my mind would be, "Do I even like this person?" "Will this work out?" and all that exciting pizzaz, instead of dissecting and doubting their thought process.

Of-course, I understand that not all LIs did this here so I'm not doing a mass projection. But the idea is somewhat universal. Ever LI here is vulnerable and the game has them leaning on you for aid, one time or the other. But, honestly, whatever is offered, taking advantage of someone right off the bat, just doesn't sit right with me- even if they were the ones who offered it. Because I feel that if I take up on their offer in their weakened emotional state, I'd be reducing them to some sort of a prostitute. And you don't exactly treat real friends like that. At least not if you are playing a Lawful Good role. Either you help them in their need, or you do not. And I'd rather help them now without strings attached, and later once they are on their feet and emotionally stable, we could explore a more romantic angle.

Of-course that is just my POV. I do not mean to dis anyone on their choices and styles of dealing with the LIs, nor lecture the dev to change anything. In-fact, I'm here for the ride and the story as it's envisioned to be.

Makes me wonder now exactly how late we will be able to move from friend route to romance route, and will it be obvious when the option permanently cuts off?

I get where you're coming from, but ofc, it all depends on how Neon sees it and what he intends and so forth. You've already said your views, so I'm not trying to push against it or anything, but the way I see it when I'm playing is that it's possible to have power over someone and still be in a healthy, happy relationship with them. In fact, I'd say there's many, many women out there who like it that way; their fantasies are full of it: rich, successful guy to sweep them off their feet; or a fuckin' old ancient vampire that could snap them in half like a twig all while sparkling in the sunlight That kind of stuff. I know we hear from lots of feminists that they don't want a man to rescue them, and good for them! But there's always been a significant number of women who want exactly that, for Prince Charming to stride in and save them from their sucky situations. I personally think that's where our LIs are right now, in one form or another.

And I think one of, if not the main thrust(s) of the story is that the LIs are only in peril from you if you want them to be. So you can sweep them off their feet and not abuse the power dynamic; give in to your bloodlust and treat them as objects of desire; or somewhere in between.

Again, not trying to push against your already established stance on this, but if you haven't tried romancing any of them yet, you could maybe give it a shot and see how it feels to you? You might discover some of your concerns quelled. I found all the interactions to be very sweet and don't recall any signs of toxicity or creepiness or anything that weren't given as a choice. You might too? Just something to consider.

Also, given the nature of porn VNs, especially when it comes to making money from them, things kinda necessarily have to be sped up as compared to RL. Otherwise, we're blueballing with every girl for like... at least 3 updates.. which there's definitely an audience for that sort of thing, but I guess that's not what this game wants to do. I don't recall if this was one of your issues, but that might also explain why it can sometimes not quite feel right in the moment, because it goes so fast.

 

[Dessolos]

And I think one of, if not the main thrust(s) of the story is that the LIs are only in peril from you if you want them to be. So you can sweep them off their feet and not abuse the power dynamic; give in to your bloodlust and treat them as objects of desire; or somewhere in between.

You know your post made me realize the way I play guy I actually never saw him as having a power dynamic over most of the other LI even tho he clearly does. Because of the way I play him my first thought it to treat all the LI (except Isabella) with kindness , help them out treat them like they are my equal. Which is why I hated having to have sex with Nicki in chapter 1 and cant wait for the rework.

How I see things with each LI is as follows for my way of playing guy.

Nicki - I don't see a need to help her but will when asked but rather treat her as a friend first, then a girlfriend second since I think their friendship lasting is more important than a romantic relationship. Because of that I don't try to make my guy act like he is the boss when possible but we are equals.

Ashe - Same as Nicki but girlfriend first since she is clearly into Guy. However the difference here for me is to treat each other like we are equals in a romantic relationship and don't solve any issues with money but like a normal couple that are equal.

Risa - Help her out whenever possible while showing her a good time and treating her as I would any other girl or LI no matter her problems. Her turning to guy for help because he has money to help , doesn't matter I dont want any favors instead I want to show her a good time and romance her and start a romantic relationship with her despite her issues she is worth it.

Brittani - Only time I see my version of guy having a power dynamic over her is when she is working for us. While we are mainly doing the photoshoot stuff to help her out it's the only time id let my guy given the choice to show he is the boss. Otherwise id treat her as a equal and friend that is going through some hard times. Don't really see her as a romantic partner but a FWB relationship on her terms.

Pepper - While we are her boss technically I see her being the bossy one and having the power dynamic over Guy with how I will play him. I think her romance could be a fun one if she is the one bossing Guy around on the romantic path not in a femdom type of way but more in a guy is pussy whipped kind of way and will do whatever the women says to get some.

Gabby & Mason - These are 2 LI i probably do seeing having a power dynamic over. Gabby acts like a bratty kid to me while i'd have guy help her I do see guy knowing what's best for her because of the way she acts. With Mason kind of the same as to me he comes across as someone that needs help and can't really survive on his own without being taken advantage of, so I see my version of guy showing him how to get by on his own while helping him with whatever.

Viola , and the rest - I honestly not sure yet need to see more content with them.

 

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[Eezergoode]

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Bravo on this one, I have to say this is the first time a LONG while I've caught myself self-inserting in an AVN.... I am finding myself playing the way I would react IRL to these situations, instead of just picking the choices that I think will get me the most lewd content. Very well-written so far, I'm getting very invested in all of the characters. I usually like one or two, but so far I've liked all of them, each for a different reason. I'm loving that each character has depth and a well thought out backstory, at least it seems that way. They just felt... real, I guess. I think I'll be heading over to SubscribeStar this payday, you deserve every penny we can throw your way.... Keep up the excellent work!

 

[Joshy92]

What if at the end of the game we have to choose between all our money or the love of one of these awesome babes?
For Mason I would throw every dollar I own in a blender.

 

[Alberic]

Lots of good conversation in this thread since I last checked. I'll need to re-play and reread the entire thing before I give any further opinion on the story. There is something there, some guys in this thread are tugging at an actual problem, but I'm not sure where the crux of the entire thing is. At the point I'm at it feels like Lucien's a mistake and putting Brent as the main antagonist would make more sense, but it's just a gut feeling for now after not having played the game for a while.

I did want to comment on two things. First, "chapter 8 9 10 were originally chapter 8, I vastly underestimated the work that goes into the game." Careful, that's a telltale sign of bloat and scope creep. And especially in this format, it may unbalance the whole thing and unfucking things is a bitch once they're "published".

The second thing is about the haters. First of all, yes, it is unfair. You (NeonGhost) are putting yourself out, actually putting in the work and creating something, only to have random bumblefucks who didn't do shit, nor put in any effort, come and rain on your parade. The thing is, as far as I can see it, for projects like this everything is peachy and great until suddenly it isn't and everything comes crashing down. And the shift is usually dramatic.

When looking back at such projects, the eventual last straw would usually have been pretty difficult to predict (besides the classic "First, I need to rebuild the game" or "I'll redo a few scenes...") but oftentimes the problems that accumulated up to that point were somewhat signaled before reaching the breaking point.

We tend to be lenient with the things that we love, glossing over problems because frankly they don't take away from our enjoyment. We give the game/movie/novel a pass, as it were. But it doesn't mean the problems are not here. Some haters are just shitters, but plenty are canaries in the coal mine, the first hint that something's gone wrong. And usually it's the only warning that arrives in time to correct course. That doesn't mean the haters are right, mind you. They usually mis-identify problems, get something right for the wrong reasons, plain misunderstand some things and we mostly only find nuggets of insight in their comments with the benefit on hindsight. But unless they're completely gone in the head, when they try to explain what they disliked, they are drawing things from your writing to build their logic, they're (mis)identifying an actual problem, something gone wrong, even if it's not technically the thing they're saying that is the root of the issue. But there is definitely something there. Most haters that can rationalize the problem they see in your work used to be fans (and I'd argue that the guys writing long-ass posts in this thread definitely still are) until something happened they reached a breaking point faster than anyone else, don't write their concerns off because they can't verbalize them well.

And even the random shitters have their uses, don't overly obsess over them, but if you're noticing an increase in haters, then it's an indicator in and of itself (for porn games, usually it's a sign you've been edging your community far too much).

A last piece of advice that's counter intuitive is that if you feel the need to write something, express something, create something, even if it's just a story of a dude fucking girls, you need to haul ass. Yeah we love stories of authors who matured a single story throughout their whole lives, but these dudes are the exception to the rule. Each day you stray further from the dude who started this story, in a sad way each day you stray further from the thing you wanted to express. 12-14 chapters and a season 2 sound great (not to me, it fills me with dread) but if a story's got you by the balls you need to put it to paper now. Yesterday, even. It's a trite, but life comes at you fast and there are plenty of news that would put a writing project on the backburner, or dissociate you from the story you started to tell.

And now as I write this I wonder if it's not what some people sensed. Last time I mentioned the protagonist being dissociated from its own story, but it may be that you, the author, are trying to fit in the story you want to tell now into the story you started telling, and it's causing rifts.

I'm just spitballing here, until I take the time to re-play everything.

 

[Axelfire]

ok so a bit of a question, but will we see any actual bimbofication like we saw in the minisode,or will that remain the exclusive preview of dream sequences and the like?

 

[NeonGhosts]

ok so a bit of a question, but will we see any actual bimbofication like we saw in the minisode,or will that remain the exclusive preview of dream sequences and the like?

I have a route planned for Brittani that will kind of lean into this.

 

[Echoesinthedarkness]

I have a route planned for Brittani that will kind of lean into this.

what about inevitable branching, or it will be late game choice?

 

[Dessolos]

I have a route planned for Brittani that will kind of lean into this.

I assume it will be optional / on a corruption or dark path right? Cant see myself wanting to romance her other than for the sake of seeing all the content if it isn't. While nothing against bimbofication in general I like how she isn't like her mother and well to be blunt don't think id enjoy it on a romance path. But hey that's just me im sure many would enjoy it if it isn't optional im just curious is all. Tho knowing your game I assume it will be an optional branch since you like to give us alot of choices

 

[The Anti]

Yeah, I want to turn Britt into a little porn slut to humiliate her and ruin her like a bit but bimbofication also not my thing.

 

[PHIL101-YYouPPHard]

You know your post made me realize the way I play guy I actually never saw him as having a power dynamic over most of the other LI even tho he clearly does. Because of the way I play him my first thought it to treat all the LI (except Isabella) with kindness , help them out treat them like they are my equal. Which is why I hated having to have sex with Nicki in chapter 1 and cant wait for the rework.

How I see things with each LI is as follows for my way of playing guy.

Nicki - I don't see a need to help her but will when asked but rather treat her as a friend first, then a girlfriend second since I think their friendship lasting is more important than a romantic relationship. Because of that I don't try to make my guy act like he is the boss when possible but we are equals.

Ashe - Same as Nicki but girlfriend first since she is clearly into Guy. However the difference here for me is to treat each other like we are equals in a romantic relationship and don't solve any issues with money but like a normal couple that are equal.

Risa - Help her out whenever possible while showing her a good time and treating her as I would any other girl or LI no matter her problems. Her turning to guy for help because he has money to help , doesn't matter I dont want any favors instead I want to show her a good time and romance her and start a romantic relationship with her despite her issues she is worth it.

Brittani - Only time I see my version of guy having a power dynamic over her is when she is working for us. While we are mainly doing the photoshoot stuff to help her out it's the only time id let my guy given the choice to show he is the boss. Otherwise id treat her as a equal and friend that is going through some hard times. Don't really see her as a romantic partner but a FWB relationship on her terms.

Pepper - While we are her boss technically I see her being the bossy one and having the power dynamic over Guy with how I will play him. I think her romance could be a fun one if she is the one bossing Guy around on the romantic path not in a femdom type of way but more in a guy is pussy whipped kind of way and will do whatever the women says to get some.

Gabby & Mason - These are 2 LI i probably do seeing having a power dynamic over. Gabby acts like a bratty kid to me while i'd have guy help her I do see guy knowing what's best for her because of the way she acts. With Mason kind of the same as to me he comes across as someone that needs help and can't really survive on his own without being taken advantage of, so I see my version of guy showing him how to get by on his own while helping him with whatever.

Viola , and the rest - I honestly not sure yet need to see more content with them.

Yeah, I'm not into femdom, but I do like a strong-minded stubborn woman for w/e reason that has clear boundaries and knows what she wants. I think Pepper is that

Oh, btw, not replying to you specifically Desso, but now that I've seen Isabella, I'm not sure what you guys see in her that's redeemable personally lol. She absolutely seems like the cold, selfish user type. Her little story or w/e where she was a stripper looking at Brit's photo as a young girl, I am now fully convinced she was not looking at her in a "oh, I'd do anything for my little angel", but more "I fucking hate this fucking job, I hate these losers I have to dance naked for, and I hate that I'm forced to do it for this little shit I've been stuck with by some guy that knocked me up". She's the kind of mother that had no business becoming a mother, like some of the ones I occasionally see at the store who smack their kids over.. acting like kids. I wouldn't be surprised I guess if Neon gives her a little more to work with, but I see her as a monster, albeit a sexy one that I will have fun with on corruption/dark routes.

Lots of good conversation in this thread since I last checked. I'll need to re-play and reread the entire thing before I give any further opinion on the story. There is something there, some guys in this thread are tugging at an actual problem, but I'm not sure where the crux of the entire thing is. At the point I'm at it feels like Lucien's a mistake and putting Brent as the main antagonist would make more sense, but it's just a gut feeling for now after not having played the game for a while.

I did want to comment on two things. First, "chapter 8 9 10 were originally chapter 8, I vastly underestimated the work that goes into the game." Careful, that's a telltale sign of bloat and scope creep. And especially in this format, it may unbalance the whole thing and unfucking things is a bitch once they're "published".

The second thing is about the haters. First of all, yes, it is unfair. You (NeonGhost) are putting yourself out, actually putting in the work and creating something, only to have random bumblefucks who didn't do shit, nor put in any effort, come and rain on your parade. The thing is, as far as I can see it, for projects like this everything is peachy and great until suddenly it isn't and everything comes crashing down. And the shift is usually dramatic.

When looking back at such projects, the eventual last straw would usually have been pretty difficult to predict (besides the classic "First, I need to rebuild the game" or "I'll redo a few scenes...") but oftentimes the problems that accumulated up to that point were somewhat signaled before reaching the breaking point.

We tend to be lenient with the things that we love, glossing over problems because frankly they don't take away from our enjoyment. We give the game/movie/novel a pass, as it were. But it doesn't mean the problems are not here. Some haters are just shitters, but plenty are canaries in the coal mine, the first hint that something's gone wrong. And usually it's the only warning that arrives in time to correct course. That doesn't mean the haters are right, mind you. They usually mis-identify problems, get something right for the wrong reasons, plain misunderstand some things and we mostly only find nuggets of insight in their comments with the benefit on hindsight. But unless they're completely gone in the head, when they try to explain what they disliked, they are drawing things from your writing to build their logic, they're (mis)identifying an actual problem, something gone wrong, even if it's not technically the thing they're saying that is the root of the issue. But there is definitely something there. Most haters that can rationalize the problem they see in your work used to be fans (and I'd argue that the guys writing long-ass posts in this thread definitely still are) until something happened they reached a breaking point faster than anyone else, don't write their concerns off because they can't verbalize them well.

And even the random shitters have their uses, don't overly obsess over them, but if you're noticing an increase in haters, then it's an indicator in and of itself (for porn games, usually it's a sign you've been edging your community far too much).

A last piece of advice that's counter intuitive is that if you feel the need to write something, express something, create something, even if it's just a story of a dude fucking girls, you need to haul ass. Yeah we love stories of authors who matured a single story throughout their whole lives, but these dudes are the exception to the rule. Each day you stray further from the dude who started this story, in a sad way each day you stray further from the thing you wanted to express. 12-14 chapters and a season 2 sound great (not to me, it fills me with dread) but if a story's got you by the balls you need to put it to paper now. Yesterday, even. It's a trite, but life comes at you fast and there are plenty of news that would put a writing project on the backburner, or dissociate you from the story you started to tell.

And now as I write this I wonder if it's not what some people sensed. Last time I mentioned the protagonist being dissociated from its own story, but it may be that you, the author, are trying to fit in the story you want to tell now into the story you started telling, and it's causing rifts.

I'm just spitballing here, until I take the time to re-play everything.

Well, I don't really agree with much here tbh, but on Lucien & Brent etc., I'm pretty sure Neon as stated multiple times this has been his plan all along. And speaking of them, this is just my personal opinion, ofc I'm not Neon so I don't know, but I have a hunch that Neon might try to give Brent the chance to grow & redeem himself a little bit. Maybe even Gabby's bf. They've been the kinds of antagonists we've seen up to this point, and we've despised them; but as soon as Lucien enters the picture, no one else really matters. It's a major shift in the story where the situation is fundamentally different in every single way and our perspective is changed going forward. Guy is going to need a LOT of help in taking down this motherfucker, and I think he may even need to turn to former enemies. If this is his plan, I'm all for it, but I'm really, really not looking forward to hearing the whiners poopooing on it.

From an author's perspective, I think they love to experiment and play with redemption stuff. I know everyone keeps bringing up GRRM as examples, but he's such a good one to reference; Jaime Lannister was a horrible, horrible person that the audience hates... but then GRRM redeems him in his later pov chapters and suddenly you just have this whole different perspective on him and almost feel sorry for him... and feel a connection to him and his struggles, even root for him. I think authors see it as a fun challenge for both themselves and the audience, and I'm right there alongside them tbh. Makes a story feel alive and complex.

I have a route planned for Brittani that will kind of lean into this.

Nice! I wasn't expecting you to say her actually, but that sounds like fun. Nicki really did look good as a blonde, though Amazing how something as simple as a hair color change can bring something totally different.

Ashe seemed like the obvious choice for a bimbo route to me, did you ever consider her at some point? Because while replaying her date this last update, I noticed you have a choice hidden behind an impossible amount of dark points where you call her a dumb bimbo and send her into the bathroom crying. Very well written dialogue btw, felt real. Did you change your mind on including that because you felt it didn't fit her character? Or because it felt too cliche or something? Or was it just time-related? Kinda fun finding little hidden outtakes like that in the code

 

[abgazil]

ok so a bit of a question, but will we see any actual bimbofication like we saw in the minisode,or will that remain the exclusive preview of dream sequences and the like?

Do you mind sharing what minisode you're referring to? I'm assuming it's not the one with Brett?

 

[Dessolos]

Oh, btw, not replying to you specifically Desso, but now that I've seen Isabella, I'm not sure what you guys see in her that's redeemable personally lol. She absolutely seems like the cold, selfish user type. Her little story or w/e where she was a stripper looking at Brit's photo as a young girl, I am now fully convinced she was not looking at her in a "oh, I'd do anything for my little angel", but more "I fucking hate this fucking job, I hate these losers I have to dance naked for, and I hate that I'm forced to do it for this little shit I've been stuck with by some guy that knocked me up". She's the kind of mother that had no business becoming a mother, like some of the ones I occasionally see at the store who smack their kids over.. acting like kids. I wouldn't be surprised I guess if Neon gives her a little more to work with, but I see her as a monster, albeit a sexy one that I will have fun with on corruption/dark routes.

100% this is why I hate her too for all the reasons you said and why I don't understand why some people find her attractive if they look beyond her looks as well. If I did hate Risa for what she did ( I don't) I think id consider Isabella worst and hate her more. It will take alot and some damn good writing for me to find her redeemable imo.

 

[Ragnar]

I have a route planned for Brittani that will kind of lean into this.

On one hand body modification and bimbofication can be interesting for fap purposes.
On the other hand Brit has it bad enough with her pimp Mom and her creep bf.
Man, let us bimbofy Nicki or Mason, Brit has big boobs anyway

 

[Axelfire]

Do you mind sharing what minisode you're referring to? I'm assuming it's not the one with Brett?

it is the the brett one, speicaly at the start during the dream sequence part of that episode

 

[Joshy92]

100% this is why I hate her too for all the reasons you said and why I don't understand why some people find her attractive if they look beyond her looks as well. If I did hate Risa for what she did ( I don't) I think id consider Isabella worst and hate her more. It will take alot and some damn good writing for me to find her redeemable imo.

I'm willing to give Isabella the benefit of the doubt because of how hard she had it when Britt was young.
It's just when surrounded by arseholes constantly treating you like garbage sometimes their attitude rubs off on you.

 

[KryperCreeping]

I have a route planned for Brittani that will kind of lean into this.

My favourite character and my favourite genre of corruption. OH THANK YOU. This game just keeps getting better and better.

I look forward to seeing a fully corrupted, Bimbo Brittani.

... Hopefully one day we can have her marry the main character. Having her achieve the financially comfortable, high society life that a girl that beautiful wants and deserves, but acquired by being a barely legal, bimbo trophy wife.

A life of wearing expensive slutty clothes to galas




the finest designer bikinis at pool parties for the social elite,





having every want and need given to her in excess with no worries in the world


and all thats needed from Britt is for her to be paraded around as the finest prize for her top 1% husband.

 

[Simpgor]

On one hand body modification and bimbofication can be interesting for fap purposes.
On the other hand Brit has it bad enough with her pimp Mom and her creep bf.
Man, let us bimbofy Nicki or Mason, Brit has big boobs anyway

Real degens want that Mason HIMBOfy route

 

[Ottoeight]

Just wondering why the dudes who are into this VN because of the dark paths always feel the need to be vocal about it.