VN Ren'Py Friends in Need [Ch.10 v0.71] [NeonGhosts]

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Thank you! Sometimes I need to hear that I don't have to kill myself to get an update out. Still, I feel pretty good about an August release, as things stand now.



We'll get there!

Yep. Some people take for granted all the "behind the scenes" work required to develop a game. Plus the fact most daz assets are expensive unless when being on sales.
Anyway i appreciate the hard work Neon.

 

[ename144]

is it good game

In a word, yes.

The patched game might get a little uncomfortable if you take those options (though they are all avoidable), I worry the story will have trouble balancing the stakes with the large LI roster down the line, and I wish the MC was a little more of a blank slate at times. But those aren't fatal flaws, and overall it's a very high quality game. In particular the dialog is excellent, the main cast is very engaging, and the core idea of exploring how the MC chooses to use his newfound wealth is a powerful one.

IMHO this game is certainly worth playing.

 

[PHIL101-YYouPPHard]

Of course it's misused. The two are completely different from each other.

That aside, every single VN (inc this one) treats trans as a fetish. Tell me one VN with an actual trans character that has had bottom surgery? There isn't one to my knowledge...because...no dev is probably capable of actually writing an interseting story about a character like that because, well, they are just the sex they are, so no different to any other character of the same sex.

However, add a cock and tits to the equation...becomes a fetish in a VN. This is actually refreshing for having a female to male character, even if still treated really as the typical VN fetish. I long for the day of a VN with an actual proper legal trans (full transition) character. However, the whole discussion leads to other questions and debates which are definitely better away from this forum.

Kind of hard to escape fetishes when it's a porn game really. That plus every dev probably bases their characters around what they themselves are into or at least not turned off by. And fact is most guys that wanna see pussy are looking for women women or pre-op trans men, not post-op trans women, whereas most guys who want to see cock are looking for pre-op trans women or other men, not post-op trans men.

Also, I think most trans people don't get bottom surgery? So, in that regard, it's pretty representative or w/e.

But I do think it would be interesting to see a fully transitioned character from a writing pov, just don't see many players being into them from a LI perspective. I don't know, maybe I'm off there, just a hunch. And that potentially eats into the dev's income, not to mention sanity from the bitching, so unless they're fully committed to that character, it just isn't going to happen is how I figure it.

Anyways, back on-topic, that was one reason why I was hoping for a trans woman character because most of the games that have them just have bleh writing. I don't really see fetishization as a problem, but it does usually make the writing worse. It would've been nice to see a well-written one for once. But alas, it isn't to be. At least there's Mason, next best thing in that regard, for me anyways. I could see Neon having at least a scene or two where Mason dawns a strap-on or prosthetic or something for some gay play. Not to fuck the MC lol, but just to go with the whole "I'm a man" thing, especially during anal scenes.

 

[Old Grumpy Wolf]

I could see Neon having at least a scene or two where Mason dawns a strap-on or prosthetic or something for some gay play. Not to fuck the MC lol, but just to go with the whole "I'm a man" thing, especially during anal scenes.

That wouldn't be a hot or fun scene for me. I love Mason the way he is. Without a penis/strap-on.

 

[TigerWolfe]

Kind of hard to escape fetishes when it's a porn game really. That plus every dev probably bases their characters around what they themselves are into or at least not turned off by. And fact is most guys that wanna see pussy are looking for women women or pre-op trans men, not post-op trans women, whereas most guys who want to see cock are looking for pre-op trans women or other men, not post-op trans men.

Also, I think most trans people don't get bottom surgery? So, in that regard, it's pretty representative or w/e.

But I do think it would be interesting to see a fully transitioned character from a writing pov, just don't see many players being into them from a LI perspective. I don't know, maybe I'm off there, just a hunch. And that potentially eats into the dev's income, not to mention sanity from the bitching, so unless they're fully committed to that character, it just isn't going to happen is how I figure it.

Anyways, back on-topic, that was one reason why I was hoping for a trans woman character because most of the games that have them just have bleh writing. I don't really see fetishization as a problem, but it does usually make the writing worse. It would've been nice to see a well-written one for once. But alas, it isn't to be. At least there's Mason, next best thing in that regard, for me anyways. I could see Neon having at least a scene or two where Mason dawns a strap-on or prosthetic or something for some gay play. Not to fuck the MC lol, but just to go with the whole "I'm a man" thing, especially during anal scenes.

Fully transitioned characters are exactly what I'd be into... I don't dig dick, it's a turn off. I do think trans women are women though, and would love for more games to actually allow MC to support his LI all the way through her tramsition.

I realize a lot of IRL trans women don't get bottom surgery, but how much of that is just shitty capitalism vs not wanting it, I'd be curious to know.

It's always felt like trans women in porn are used for closeted bi dudes who are afraid to admit they also like dick, and so have to strap it onto a feminine body (this is extremely reductive and obviously not representative of how everyone who's into pre-op trans women feels, it's just how the porn involving them reads to me). Which that's fine different strokes for different folks, but it just doesn't do anything for me.

But I'm also a yes all player cause I like to see the stories so usually I just grin and bear it (like with particularly flat women, or younger adults than I'd ever be interested in irl) as long as the characterization grabs me I'm good.

I do wish more games which have a toggle for yes trans or no trans and use different character models, would have a fully transitioned or not suboption though.

Bit rambly wall of text sorry.

 

[Old Grumpy Wolf]

Fully transitioned characters are exactly what I'd be into... I don't dig dick, it's a turn off. I do think trans women are women though, and would love for more games to actually allow MC to support his LI all the way through her tramsition.

I realize a lot of IRL trans women don't get bottom surgery, but how much of that is just shitty capitalism vs not wanting it, I'd be curious to know.

It's always felt like trans women in porn are used for closeted bi dudes who are afraid to admit they also like dick, and so have to strap it onto a feminine body (this is extremely reductive and obviously not representative of how everyone who's into pre-op trans women feels, it's just how the porn involving them reads to me). Which that's fine different strokes for different folks, but it just doesn't do anything for me.

But I'm also a yes all player cause I like to see the stories so usually I just grin and bear it (like with particularly flat women, or younger adults than I'd ever be interested in irl) as long as the characterization grabs me I'm good.

I do wish more games which have a toggle for yes trans or no trans and use different character models, would have a fully transitioned or not suboption though.

Bit rambly wall of text sorry.

I love trans women. I don't do dick either. Tiny pps aren't dicks, they're clits and they can wear cages. So, I'm good to go.

 

[TigerWolfe]

I love trans women. I don't do dick either. Tiny pps aren't dicks, they're clits and they can wear cages. So, I'm good to go.

Anal just doesn't really rev my engine, as an occasional change of pace sure, but I'm super into creampies/breeding so even if the vagina can't get preggars, it's still my preferred playground.

Also in porn and avns trans women almost never have tiny pps, which kinda circles back to my above point.

 

[Old Grumpy Wolf]

Anal just doesn't really rev my engine, as an occasional change of pace sure, but I'm super into creampies/breeding so even if the vagina can't get preggars, it's still my preferred playground.

Also in porn and avns trans women almost never have tiny pps, which kinda circles back to my above point.

For me, anal and them swallowing are mandatory. Trans women with big cocks aren't my thing. They are for the guys who like to be topped. I'm total top. But if a big dick trans is a bottom only, I'll still give them the D, but I'm really not a fan of seeing a firehose bouncing around and spraying jizz everywhere.

 

[TigerWolfe]

For me, anal and them swallowing are mandatory. Trans women with big cocks aren't my thing. They are for the guys who like to be topped. I'm total top. But if a big dick trans is a bottom only, I'll still give them the D, but I'm really not a fan of seeing a firehose bouncing around and spraying jizz everywhere.

I'm not even really into blowjobs. Especially in porn/avns. In an environment where pregnancy causes no real hardships, not going for as many progeny as possible seems like such a waste of time.

I might have a slightly warped brain. Or if I had the money I might find out Nick Canon and I have way more in common than you'd expect.

 

[horns of giant]

Really like the game. The story is good. The girls and Mason are lovely.
I really love Nicki. She is the best girl imo. A poor girl with beautiful sad eyes. A tomboy, nerd and the best friend. Those plots with Maya really shows how kind she is.
It upsets me that some people hate her in the past. Happy to see Dev does not marginalize her.

I like that there are many choices and subpaths, though I never touch the dark ones. And I can still romance Ashe and Risa even I avoided their first sex scene.
Hopefully we will have similar choices for Nicki in the future updates. I still want to romance Nicki in the friend path through that potentail date we may have. But no complain about the current romance path.
The first sex scene of Brittani, Mason and Gabby are bad timing also. Almost like I am taking advantage of them. Hope that we can have an alternative way to start the romance path.

 

[Dessolos]

Really like the game. The story is good. The girls and Mason are lovely.
I really love Nicki. She is the best girl imo. A poor girl with beautiful sad eyes. A tomboy, nerd and the best friend. Those plots with Maya really shows how kind she is.
It upsets me that some people hate her in the past. Happy to see Dev does not marginalize her.

I like that there are many choices and subpaths, though I never touch the dark ones. And I can still romance Ashe and Risa even I avoided their first sex scene.
Hopefully we will have similar choices for Nicki in the future updates. I still want to romance Nicki in the friend path through that potentail date we may have. But no complain about the current romance path.
The first sex scene of Brittani, Mason and Gabby are bad timing also. Almost like I am taking advantage of them. Hope that we can have an alternative way to start the romance path.

Yeah that's why I never seen the Mason one. While yeah I can see how you are taking advantage of Brittani for some reason never felt like that to me guess cause she felt bad and trying to take care of the MC it never crossed my mind. Didn't know Gabby had one tho as that's a path im not interested in anything beyond being friendly.

I used to think Nicki is the best girl but now im going back and forth between Nicki and Risa can't decide. Ashe comes close 2 as well

 

[PHIL101-YYouPPHard]

That wouldn't be a hot or fun scene for me. I love Mason the way he is. Without a penis/strap-on.

I just meant as a choice. Would make a lot of character sense and is just something different and interesting for those who'd like to see a ~dick on him for at least one scene.

It's always felt like trans women in porn are used for closeted bi dudes who are afraid to admit they also like dick

lmao, the age old "is it gay or not". I don't know, I think it's subjective tbh. Me personally, yeah, I like seeing the ol' ladyboy weeny wiggle about, big or small or anywhere in between. I also like ass and anal, and not into bottoming. Don't like men men, though, at all. Don't even like most traps or trans women tbh, as most aren't feminine looking enough for me and completely destroy the illusion. Meanwhile, misleading porn POVs and artwork help build it up. So, some would say it's straight, some would say it's bi. It used to bother me, I'd insist it was 100% straight, now it doesn't anymore because both perspectives honestly make sense to me and it's not worth sweating over. I will say that when I looked it up a long, long time ago, the research to my understanding was basically that most men who like transwomen identified as straight, and most men who liked transmen identified as gay. I'd say that lines up with how I feel about it.

But, uh, anyways, looking forward to Mason next update!

 

[TigerWolfe]

the research to my understanding was basically that most men who like transwomen identified as straight, and most men who liked transmen identified as gay

As usual the poor bi folks being left in the dirt.

Trans women are women so in that sense it checks out. It's just the focus on the penis in the way it's presented that makes me feel some kinda way about it.

Admittedly all porn is objectifying but it seems even more so, like, this person doesn't like the body they were born in often times to the point of changing it physically as well as their entire identity and name, let's focus super tight on the one aspect of that old identity that's the hardest to change!

As far as actual sexuality goes who the fuck even knows anymore. I just take it on face value what someone tells me they are, there's too many gosh turn variables for me to track and at the end of the day it really doesn't matter to me what consenting adults do.

Get railed by dudes all day and say you're a straight dude, alright you do you, I won't be partaking so it don't matter.

 

[Joshy92]

I was quite happy today I have been a bit better off financially lately so I was able to rejoin SS on the $5 tier.
Honestly there are so few games I'm willing to support away from steam, but you all know how much I love this gem.

 

[Nick_on_Vox]

I so want to love that series but can never get into it. I've started and stopped shadow of chernobyl like 10 times.

It's a bit aged. This one looks like it might keep up with Metro: Exodus (one of my faves) to me. I've got hope, anyway. Lol.

 

[PHIL101-YYouPPHard]

As usual the poor bi folks being left in the dirt.

They were all included for each, I was just describing the major weighting to drive home the point; of respondents who were attracted to trans women, majority identified as straight men, but of course some were bi, and some even identified as gay. Vice versa for trans men. I don't recall statistics for women's attractions to any of them, but I'd guess there were more bi responses, but otherwise still weighted as you'd expect; straight women prefer trans men, lesbians prefer trans women.

I think one of the reasons this whole sexuality confusion is occurring is because for most people throughout most of history, primary sex characteristics (genitalia) have matched exactly with secondary sex characteristics (breast tissue, hair length, face, hip-to-waist, etc.). Anyone who was outside of that 'agreement' to a large enough degree, like say men who looked more feminine, remained local and didn't get blown up to the rest of the world via the internet; so no one really had to question anything to the same degree in that regard. That's of course changed. Add clothing signalling and 21st century hair removal (and hair extension), skincare products, surgery, and.. yeah.. lots of straight guys, or guys who thought they were straight, are pretty confused; girls too, surely, but I think there's more trans women than trans men. It's a whole new world lol.

Anyways, I'm interested in how Mason's character will flesh out in this update and updates going forward. Especially in regards to the various choices the MC can take.

 

[Tigas]

They were all included for each, I was just describing the major weighting to drive home the point; of respondents who were attracted to trans women, majority identified as straight men, but of course some were bi, and some even identified as gay. Vice versa for trans men. I don't recall statistics for women's attractions to any of them, but I'd guess there were more bi responses, but otherwise still weighted as you'd expect; straight women prefer trans men, lesbians prefer trans women.

I think one of the reasons this whole sexuality confusion is occurring is because for most people throughout most of history, primary sex characteristics (genitalia) have matched exactly with secondary sex characteristics (breast tissue, hair length, face, hip-to-waist, etc.). Anyone who was outside of that 'agreement' to a large enough degree, like say men who looked more feminine, remained local and didn't get blown up to the rest of the world via the internet; so no one really had to question anything to the same degree in that regard. That's of course changed. Add clothing signalling and 21st century hair removal (and hair extension), skincare products, surgery, and.. yeah.. lots of straight guys, or guys who thought they were straight, are pretty confused; girls too, surely, but I think there's more trans women than trans men. It's a whole new world lol.

Anyways, I'm interested in how Mason's character will flesh out in this update and updates going forward. Especially in regards to the various choices the MC can take.

Im going to fuck her back into a girl thats whats gonna happen.

 

[Gambit33]

Im going to fuck her back into a girl thats whats gonna happen.

She always was a girl.

 

[Echoesinthedarkness]

to be honest one thing I would like to see is Nikki standing up (or trying to stand up) for Mason before bad mc. I feel like that would suit her character

 

[Master of Puppets]

to be honest one thing I would like to see is Nikki standing up (or trying to stand up) for Mason before bad mc. I feel like that would suit her character

That worked real well when she tried to do it for Brittani, didn't it?