How do even measure this "playtime"?
This is a highly subjective metric so i call this bullshit.
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This is a highly subjective metric so i call this bullshit.
- Mar 28, 2021
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yeah that's why the most common metrics are render/animation and word count. Those are not subjective like playtime. I for one can read fast as shit so one hour of playtime for someone would be ~half an hour for me.
- Jul 21, 2021
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** Elduriel If you think about it, you're still finishing faster than the average player (deadline or playtime) because you're reading words faster.
and the 1 hour was just an exemple...**You can use renpy's auto-forward feature as the basis for it, or as Dogorti mentioned, each render will be considered 5 seconds for example. I'm sure you can come up with a good measurement. Ultimately, the idea is that the game won't be released until the dev is satisfied with it and the playtime mark is reached for each path by itself.
- Nov 1, 2017
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I'm just going to say that playtime is not a terribly helpful metric when judging a visual novel. If it is a Triple A action/adventure or RPG we are talking about, sure. But since VNs are stories, much more like CYA books than they are like games, are they really better just because they are the fucking War and Peace of jerk-off games? I think not. I never complained that the average CYOA book was something like 100 pages. There was a lot of story packed in there. I think that a better way to judge them are replayability. You may get to the end of one path pretty easily but maybe you want to see the path less travelled. Maybe some of the decisions were hard, and you are not sure that you made the right choice. Maybe unintended consequences recontextualize the entire way you thought about the game. This is the quality that most of the VNs I enjoy tend to have.
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I have to say this is one of the more believable premises, as far as explaining why in the world MC suddenly has so many options.
- Mar 25, 2021
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That scene where Guy cums in Alex's drink bottle is so funny. Of course I felt bad so I scrolled back and chose another option.
But it's something I would do to Brent or any other arsehole.
But it's something I would do to Brent or any other arsehole.
- Jul 25, 2017
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I forgot what the options were I think there was one to steal her panties or cum in them as well. I think I went with that one after looking at the cum in drink one lol
- Mar 25, 2021
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I have thought of something Guy could do for his chosen babe late in game.
What if he sets up his deck area with chairs and a table with roses on top. He could also hang lights all around the roof to add a romantic feel to the evening.
He could surprise his waifu by holding his hands over her eyes as he leads her to the deck.
It's hard to explain in detail but I can just picture in my mind how the scene would play out.
What if he sets up his deck area with chairs and a table with roses on top. He could also hang lights all around the roof to add a romantic feel to the evening.
He could surprise his waifu by holding his hands over her eyes as he leads her to the deck.
It's hard to explain in detail but I can just picture in my mind how the scene would play out.
Yes.. yes they are
I don't think I've come across a single one that has interesting relationship development. Realism is a subjective preference of course, but I prefer that and there aren't any good ones in that domain either. Just lame porno scripts with the incest twist or else really bad melodrama. But not every hour of gameplay is equal work, and consistent release windows are better for the business side of VNs than consistent playtimes I'd assume. Can't really blame a dev for leaning on the former rather than the latter.wish the dev focuses on playtime rather then to focus on the 4 months deadline...he should hit 1 hour gameplay in each release in my opinion...since lets assume the game has 10 releases (from 0.1 ----> 1.0) thats a total of 10 hour gameplay which is a rich content and story game in my view...and sure there is many paths a player can take but the playtime is also important you cant cut elements for the "good guy" path for exemple without adding others to it,there must be a balance to things and each path should have nearly the same playtime.....isnt it reasonable ?
And anyways, even if he wanted to guarantee 1 hour playtime, it'd be a nightmare trying to do that with every route. It just wouldn't work for a game like this I don't think. And not even to mention that playtime is subjective like others have said. It's working great as it is right now imo
- Jul 25, 2017
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I don't really play alot of incest games but I actually came across 1 game where I liked both the relationship and the Realism tho the dev did throw away the realism part after a certain and made the mom accept the whole thing too quickly when she caught them lol. Of course that's just me many probably wouldn't think the same. 2 games if you count step sis when it comes to the relationship haha.Yes.. yes they are
- Mar 20, 2019
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Weighing in on the discussion re: equal playtimes and paths.. Yeah, there's just no way to do it, with a game like this. I try! There's a reason why I try to keep a core plot, with little branches that spring off and then merge back into the main narrative. It helps to keep me from wandering afield and getting lost in the weeds. But, it's just an inevitability if you make certain choices, that you won't have as much content.
Like, if you're on Ashe's date, and you decide to send her home before/after the hot tub, and then watch TV and go to bed instead of doing any of the other possible options.. Yeah, you're going to have less interesting stuff to do that night, and the following morning. Likewise, if I bypass every possible sex interaction, I'm also going to have a shorter playtime. But, those are the consequences of the choices I make.
As far as content paths, I try to balance the light vs dark as much as I can, but the usual thing is that the dark content is a little front-loaded, but may result in less overall, while the light content mostly comes a little later, and will be more prolonged. It's a trade-off.
But, as always I just think.. There's plenty of people who only play one route, despite there being months in between updates. If your playthrough is too short, go back and try some other stuff!
Like, if you're on Ashe's date, and you decide to send her home before/after the hot tub, and then watch TV and go to bed instead of doing any of the other possible options.. Yeah, you're going to have less interesting stuff to do that night, and the following morning. Likewise, if I bypass every possible sex interaction, I'm also going to have a shorter playtime. But, those are the consequences of the choices I make.
As far as content paths, I try to balance the light vs dark as much as I can, but the usual thing is that the dark content is a little front-loaded, but may result in less overall, while the light content mostly comes a little later, and will be more prolonged. It's a trade-off.
But, as always I just think.. There's plenty of people who only play one route, despite there being months in between updates. If your playthrough is too short, go back and try some other stuff!
- Sep 3, 2020
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again as a monogamy player that likes to focus on one girl and hate Force content
I do not mind having less content or missing out on content
as long as I get the freedom to be monogamous
I can always just save up my updates
until the game focuses on a girl I like
I just don't want the developer to rush an update and
I want him/you to take his time making it
- Mar 25, 2021
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Dude I absolutely agree about sexual content on dark vs light paths. If I'm a super nice guy I want sex to happen at a later point than if I'm a sadistic arsehole. I want to earn the babes trust and all before the sexy fun times happen.
- May 1, 2017
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While I like darker content, this is one of the few rare games that makes me guilty about it.
haven't really gone on the darker stuff with Guy other than fucking Nicki while she is on the phone with Brent. Guy's a positive guy and i just don't see him as an abuser. though i would like to see the references to his sister become less creepy. it seems that something has happened with his mother and sister in the past that Neon hasn't gotten into yet. wonder when the next update will be ready.
if you fuck Nicki hard in the ass during her visit where she asks to borrow money initially, Guy has her call Brent while he is fucking her. it's funny as hell because even though she is on the phone with him, she is getting pounded hard and is loving it. there are certain choices before that which need to be made. sorry i can't recall them now since it's been a while since i last played. but those choices are there. kinda wish i had screenshotted that now.