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PHIL101-YYouPPHard

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Why is there not a walkthrough mod for this game?
It's a very technically complicated game for one. Let's say there's a scene that requires a certain number of happy points with a character, but there are 5 events beforehand that can give or take various amounts of happy points depending on your decision. And let's say you can get away with 2 questionably dark acts and still get the scene. How do you guide a player through all 5 events and still guarantee seeing that scene?

You'll probably have to mention happy points... but then how do they keep track of happy points without access to the code? I guess you give the amounts in the walkthrough that each decision gives/takes? Let them do the math themselves? Maybe encourage them to download URM so that they can keep track of it?

I don't know, it just seems very messy. Frustrating to compile, maybe even frustrating to follow. I guess you could simplify things with very basic, straightforward routes, that ignore all those complications, where the walkthrough creator basically makes the decisions for the player. But you'd still stand to miss little things here and there, inevitably.

And for two, well, no one's stepped up yet I guess, understandably. Maybe you could be the one? :D

I never really felt like this game needed much of a walkthrough. Most of the choices seem fairly stark and self-explanatory.
For the most part I agree. But, tbh, you can miss some moments, some renders, even whole scenes, if you don't meet certain criteria.

For example, who would've thought that pushing Ashe into the alley could land you into a raunchy, consensual bj scene? I would've assumed it'd just be creepy and rapey, but Ashe at least seems to be into it. I'm assuming that's the point? Maybe it's supposed to toe the line, like many situations evidently do in rl? Maybe from the game's pov, we're sort of kind of reading Ashe's mind, playing into a fantasy of hers? After all, lots of romance novels for women involve, let's say, lots of stuff that seem quite iffy if you saw it go down in real life without any context. But, the fact that the character is usually already enamored with the gent, and the audience usually follows in that regard, it just becomes a very intense romance with the love of her life, destiny even.

But anyways, my point is that lots of players probably naturally avoid that decision for obvious reasons, without realizing what they're missing. I think you can also miss the apartment scene as well if you don't do that, but I can't remember. So it's not always straightforward.
 

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Why is there not a walkthrough mod for this game?
walkthrough are never needed in any game anyway.
but this one has tons of branching that interconnects and give much more nuance to your playthrough and how the LI reacts to your choices. you might want to play it without and experience it blind first.
for each LI, you can have between 3 to 5 routes, and some can branch to the others in some way, or have a range of different responses for the same route.

It's a very technically complicated game for one. Let's say there's a scene that requires a certain number of happy points with a character, but there are 5 events beforehand that can give or take various amounts of happy points depending on your decision. And let's say you can get away with 2 questionably dark acts and still get the scene. How do you guide a player through all 5 events and still guarantee seeing that scene?

You'll probably have to mention happy points... but then how do they keep track of happy points without access to the code? I guess you give the amounts in the walkthrough that each decision gives/takes? Let them do the math themselves? Maybe encourage them to download URM so that they can keep track of it?
usually walkthrough will just point out the "optimal" choices to maximize points.
but this game has too many choices that are not clear and will lead to very subtle and nuanced reactions.

For example, who would've thought that pushing Ashe into the alley could land you into a raunchy, consensual bj scene?
that's probably what rollbacks and saves are for ;)
but yeah, there is not a single hint that she could be into that before hand. it's a huge gamble that plays into MC's dark side being a constant presence even for good MC.
 
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You'll probably have to mention happy points... but then how do they keep track of happy points without access to the code? I guess you give the amounts in the walkthrough that each decision gives/takes? Let them do the math themselves? Maybe encourage them to download URM so that they can keep track of it?
You make a screen that shows the points. It takes like five minutes. Not that you really even need to, simply labelling choices as good or bad choices will deal with things like the alley scene, and other scenes where the girls like it rough but not too rough.
 
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Edit for new version v.0.71 - I expect I'll get to updating this over the weekend.

Well here it is, a gallery mod to replay scenes in the game

Compatible with: Friends in Need
Game version: 0.60c
Mod version: 0.60c.1

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Installation: place all files into the game folder and overwrite

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Heyho :D does this still get a Update for 0.71? I know, real life can get in the way, just thought I ask if its still in work :D
 
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PHIL101-YYouPPHard

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but yeah, there is not a single hint that she could be into that before hand. it's a huge gamble that plays into MC's dark side being a constant presence even for good MC.
Yeah, it's interesting to think about. It's what I love about this game. At first, I was kinda confused about that encounter, just felt odd and maybe even a little unbelievable to me. But as I've thought about it more, I think I understand what Neon's going for. That's true for lots of other scenes too.

You make a screen that shows the points. It takes like five minutes. Not that you really even need to, simply labelling choices as good or bad choices will deal with things like the alley scene, and other scenes where the girls like it rough but not too rough.
Yeah, but when you contextualize the impact of all the choices, especially over a long stretch of the game where there can be knock-on effects, it's not necessarily obvious what's good or bad, and not necessarily simple to totally keep track of.

I think this VN's design just seriously complicates traditional walkthroughs. But maybe I'm wrong. Honestly, I think people enjoy the game better if they'd just make the choices that feel right to them, but I wouldn't deign to tell people how to have fun.
 
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The game is great but MC looks to be in his 50s and that kinda kill my boner for girls like Gabby
Guy is roughly the same age as every mother in a slutty mother game who is bagging shotas like they are going out of style. Think of that when your boner fails.
 

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Finally had the time to play the update (taking a small break from playing Dragon Age The Veilguard) and i can say it was amazing.

The starting scene made me laugh. The teenage/young adult girl talking with the news stand guy and trying to hook him up with her mother when Brent passes by running and screaming followed by Guy doing the same and they proceed to keep talking like those crazies are just a common occurence there. :ROFLMAO:

Also hot damn, every sex scene with Mason is so fucking hot! :love:
And there is also so much dept into his conversations with Guy. About genre, sexuality and how he sees himself despite what society may claim. Even liked the small dig at Guy's pink shirts, what you wear shouldn't change how you see yourself. :)

Could also say the same about Guy and Viola talk, which shed some light into the russian woman's past. Also quite cute little crush Mason had there for her.:love:


What a asshole cop, wouldn't be surprised if he was racist too with the way he decided to focus on Gabby. Wish there was some way to fuck him up (attacking him on a police station would be stupid - made a alternative save just to check). :devilish:

By the way, craziest way to find Guy's sister.

Meanwhile "Lucien" is already after another victim for his sex traffic ring. Hope Mason and his hacking skills can help identify who was the previous victim.

All in all that was a great episode that ended in a very compelling cliffhanger. The waiting time for the next update will be hard.


edit: also i have to praise Neon for the possible alternative routes in this update. Guy can either check on Nick and also meet Carolina, go check on Brittani or even find that poor sex worker called Dash in the park.
 
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So, just another Dev who fell ill with the I'm-gonna-rework-my-early-chapters Syndrome, the deadliest AVNs disease, I guess.

Well, we had a good run and it was fun while it lasted. I guess I'm gonna buy some beautiful gardenias and I will lay them on Friends In Need's headstone in the Cemetery of the Unfinished AVNs.

See ya.

p.s.: why don't you Devs never learn from other Devs' mistakes?

This isn't an airport, you don't need to announce your departure (nor do people care!)
 

Joshy92

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This has been a really crap year for me but when I come here and talk about this top tier game or play a new update it makes me happy for a bit.

Last update especially just blew my mind. I didn't think anything could beat chapter four or nine, but this one did easily imo.

I don't know what the future holds for FiN story wise, but I will be waiting eagerly for each update like it's a delicious KFC meal.
 

Dessolos

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This has been a really crap year for me but when I come here and talk about this top tier game or play a new update it makes me happy for a bit.

Last update especially just blew my mind. I didn't think anything could beat chapter four or nine, but this one did easily imo.

I don't know what the future holds for FiN story wise, but I will be waiting eagerly for each update like it's a delicious KFC meal.
Honestly I have the same thoughts about the update and I didn't have sex with Mason , I actually enjoyed the Nicki and Viola content the most which is funny cause it's a Mason update more haha but it makes sense as im not playing Mason's path.
 
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Honestly I have the same thoughts about the update and I didn't have sex with Mason , I actually enjoyed the Nicki and Viola content the most which is funny cause it's a Mason update more haha but it makes sense as im not playing Mason's path.
I'm really starting to like Viola Dess. She is so sweet and delicate.

I bet she would totally like to hold hands once I get to know her.
 
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Dessolos

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I'm really starting to like Viola Dess. She is so sweet and delicate.

I bet she would totally like to hold hands once I get to know her.
same here , I always liked Viola but was a bit unsure how I felt about her until this update.

This render put her into the running as my favorite for this game. ( tho all my favorites are done so well I can't decide who I like the most just shows how good Neon is)

But yeah Id love to hold her her hand , take her out to dinner on a date then play video games with her all night until we fall asleep.

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same here , I always liked Viola but was a bit unsure how I felt about her until this update.

This render put her into the running as my favorite for this game. ( tho all my favorites are done so well I can't decide who I like the most just shows how good Neon is)

But yeah Id love to hold her her hand , take her out to dinner on a date then play video games with her all night until we fall asleep.

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Lmao, i never saw that, thats adorable and hilarious
 

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What a asshole cop, wouldn't be surprised if he was racist too with the way he decided to focus on Gabby. Wish there was some way to fuck him up (attacking him on a police station would be stupid - made a alternative save just to check). :devilish:
Well, maybe he is racist, but maybe he's just a good cop working badly.
I mean, the way he acts with Gabby is really shitty. The girl hasn't done anything and even if the life lesson "drug is bad, m'kay ?" is legit, it's clearly not the good way to handle it.
But the guy probably has a gut feeling about Gabby's dad and is pissed to see another dealer just fly away thanks to money and a good lawyer.

Plus the gut feeling is not totally wrong. Ryan isn't a drug dealer. He's most likely a rapist and human trafficker, given his likeness with one of the "actors" of Lucien's business. The drug in the car is probably related to Lucien. The cop is misinterpreting the situation, but the hunch isn't out of place.

So, racist or a bit stupid ? Time will tell.
 
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PHIL101-YYouPPHard

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This has been a really crap year for me but when I come here and talk about this top tier game or play a new update it makes me happy for a bit.

Last update especially just blew my mind. I didn't think anything could beat chapter four or nine, but this one did easily imo.

I don't know what the future holds for FiN story wise, but I will be waiting eagerly for each update like it's a delicious KFC meal.
You're not alone bro. Life's fuckin' brutal.

Maybe some brevity to lighten the mood: I was put on painkillers that gave me the worst constipation I've ever had in my life. I've always been regular, so my ass had been getting the good life for decades, no roids or anything even. That changed after I gave birth through my ass, even with help from laxitives. Now my rear's as sore as Dash's and I have to try to walk around with some dignity. Oof.

TMI? Yeah.. sorry about that. But keep on buddy, hope you're doing well and your ass is ok :)
 

Joshy92

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You're not alone bro. Life's fuckin' brutal.

Maybe some brevity to lighten the mood: I was put on painkillers that gave me the worst constipation I've ever had in my life. I've always been regular, so my ass had been getting the good life for decades, no roids or anything even. That changed after I gave birth through my ass, even with help from laxitives. Now my rear's as sore as Dash's and I have to try to walk around with some dignity. Oof.

TMI? Yeah.. sorry about that. But keep on buddy, hope you're doing well and your ass is ok :)
Thanks PHIL. You take care too dude.
 

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Yeah, but when you contextualize the impact of all the choices, especially over a long stretch of the game where there can be knock-on effects, it's not necessarily obvious what's good or bad, and not necessarily simple to totally keep track of.

I think this VN's design just seriously complicates traditional walkthroughs. But maybe I'm wrong. Honestly, I think people enjoy the game better if they'd just make the choices that feel right to them, but I wouldn't deign to tell people how to have fun.
that's why in game walkthroughs are the best form. you let players make an informed decision in the game. little immersion/flow breaking compared to regular walkthrough, and less spoiler too.

Well, maybe he is racist, but maybe he's just a good cop working badly.
I mean, the way he acts with Gabby is really shitty. The girl hasn't done anything and even if the life lesson "drug is bad, m'kay ?" is legit, it's clearly not the good way to handle it.
But the guy probably has a gut feeling about Gabby's dad and is pissed to see another dealer just fly away thanks to money and a good lawyer.

Plus the gut feeling is not totally wrong. Ryan isn't a drug dealer. He's most likely a rapist and human trafficker, given his likeness with one of the "actors" of Lucien's business. The drug in the car is probably related to Lucien. The cop is misinterpreting the situation, but the hunch isn't out of place.

So, racist or a bit stupid ? Time will tell.
didn't even make the connection between Ryan and Lucien's actors. thanks for that.

I thought that cop tried to apply some form of consequences to Ryan even if he gets to walk out free. telling his kid that her dad is a drug dealer, and harassing her a little, was his form of payback. Ryan will have to deal with his daughter confronting him about it.
that could be a catalyst and could easily lead to Madison and Gabby finding out the truth and rejecting him for good. opening the way for MC to get them both. even moreso if Ryan is involved in the hardcore smut.
 
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