VN Ren'Py Friends in Need [Ch.1 Remake v0.25] [NeonGhosts]

[NebulousShooter]

Not wanting any contact with the trans character for the sole reason that they are trans, how else are we gonna read that?

 

[Machete]

Maybe because that poster wants nothing to do with Mason
He wants Neon to give an option to avoid Mason completely
That kinda sounds like entitlement to me

By the way you can avoid Mason already. You can lend help and decline the avances. I think it's good enough, expecially since the story is about a dude who runs a charity operation.

 

[Joshy92]

By the way you can avoid Mason already. You can lend help and decline the avances. I think it's good enough, expecially since the story is about a dude who runs a charity operation.

I actually really like Mason he is probably my fourth favourite character

 

[Joshy92]

Not wanting any contact with the trans character for the sole reason that they are trans, how else are we gonna read that?

You said what I was thinking
I agree how are we supposed to read that

 

[Machete]

Not wanting any contact with the trans character for the sole reason that they are trans, how else are we gonna read that?

Well, not wanting to have anything to do with a trans person is legit. Definately jerk if he doesn't want to even acknoledge their presence and have a normal human interaction if the chance arises, but legit, in the end. The absurd is demanding the developer to write an entire route around (and it's a big deal of work) just for him. If he doesn't like a trans in the game maybe he can try other games.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

How can I be a bigot just because I have bigot opinions.

 

[banqwert]

Look at all the moral high horses. Careful when you guys climb down, don't break a leg or anything. Not wanting to deal with a trans character in a porn game is bigoted? LOL. Not sure about you guys, but i like my women the same way i like my coffee. No dick.

I can agree with not expecting the dev to rework the game. It is his game, his call.

But just saying how one does not want to see a trans in a game where the whole poing of playing is to get off? Not exactly bigotry you lovely snowflakes.

 

[Joshy92]

Look at all the moral high horses. Careful when you guys climb down, don't break a leg or anything. Not wanting to deal with a trans character in a porn game is bigoted? LOL. Not sure about you guys, but i like my women the same way i like my coffee. No dick.

I can agree with not expecting the dev to rework the game. It is his game, his call.

But just saying how one does not want to see a trans in a game where the whole poing of playing is to get off? Not exactly bigotry you lovely snowflakes.

Maybe the point of the game for you is too jack off not everyone plays this to wank
Alot of us want great stories you cant get with movies or tv shows
Oh, and not wanting anything to do with someone simple because they are trans sounds pretty crappy if you ask me

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

Look at all the moral high horses. Careful when you guys climb down, don't break a leg or anything. Not wanting to deal with a trans character in a porn game is bigoted? LOL. Not sure about you guys, but i like my women the same way i like my coffee. No dick.

I can agree with not expecting the dev to rework the game. It is his game, his call.

But just saying how one does not want to see a trans in a game where the whole poing of playing is to get off? Not exactly bigotry you lovely snowflakes.

I can see that mods gonna nuke the whole conversation.

Not wanting have a sexual intercourse with trans, gay, straight, redhead, short, fat etc. is preferences, not wanting to see them in the game is bigoted. It's not a rocket science really.
For Mason, if you were forced to see that MC having sex with him, you would be right but you are not. You can only be helpful to him and not doing anything with him is within the options.

Btw, I am a very good climber, thanks for the concern. Not a good horse rider though. Also I really don't understand why people use snowflake as an insult, they are amazing.

 

[dinmor]

Reading comprehension is hard
"Oh you like apples? WHY DO YOU HATE ORANGES?!"

 

[Machete]

Not wanting have a sexual intercourse with trans, gay, straight, redhead, short, fat etc. is preferences, not wanting to see them in the game is bigoted. It's not a rocket science really.
For Mason, if you were forced to see that MC having sex with him, you would be right but you are not. You can only be helpful to him and not doing anything with him is within the options.

My point exactly. I'm really not a fan of forced sex scenes in general, unless the story really need it (like a starting scene with a soon to be ex-gf just for an example). So, not to want to have anything to with an NPC, regardless the identity, is always legit to me. Like if the character is obnoxious, if you don't find them attractive, if it's the MC goddamn mother, ... Or if they have a joystick between the legs, why not? Everyone has their pair of shoes.
Wanting a character out because their trans... well, no, that's not legit. I'm no woke fan by any mean, yet trans people do exist and they have a place in narrative. Hopefully not a forced, virtu-signaling, otherwise useless one, but non the less a place.

 

[NeonGhosts]

Let me assure you that, as someone who spent over 20 years of his adult life programming, it is not "an easy way around it".

EVERY time Mason has interactions with other characters, not just the MC, at the very least, code would have to be created to exclude him from the scene. If renders are necessary (as they usually are), a second set of renders would be required to handle the dislike of Mason.

I'm sure there are more problems involved, it has been almost 20 more years since I last looked at code. HEY, maybe we could have an "exclude Mason patch" similar to the existing exclude Nicki patch! I hope everyone understands that this patch proposal is just a joke.

EDIT: added the missing word programming ... oops

Yeahhhh.. I mean look, I get why people may not want to interact with any character. Some people are going to be salty because the next update is so Ashe heavy, I'm sure. But, the 'friendship' paths for each character are basically the best way to minimize contact with them. Look at MC's friendship with Gabby -- she's basically just a girl you see every now and then, who was mildly irritated when she felt like you'd hidden things from her. If you keep Mason purely as a friend/ward, you can expect something similar. He'll just be this dude you're letting crash at your spare place, until he's back on his feet.

Even just writing around a character, unless absolutely necessary, brings with it certain issues. Just as a for-instance, here's a scenario that we'll see in a few updates. MC's going to take Mason to get glasses. So, he'll visit the studio and find Mason in one of three basic states -- friendly and chilling, nervous and chilling, or amorous and eagerly anticipating MC's return. So, there's three dialogue and image sets, right off the bat.

Now, I could write an option for MC to simply delegate the responsibility to Nicki. But, then I have to write around Nicki's attitude towards MC. Friend, romantic interest, submissive, or angry due to the way the last interaction with her played out? Would she come home and say, "Hey, Mason told me he blew you?!" How does that affect her on her various routes? More options, more fallout.

And since Mason's eyeglass errand likely won't just be entirely glossed over, I have to plan for future paths that do or don't refer back to anything that happened during said errand. If you stop off at The Posh Pit or The Lawful Waffle and encounter Pepper or Viola while you're with Mason, that's multiple sets of renders/choices. And if I don't want to deprive players who don't like Mason of content, then I have to do another set, where MC is alone.

On and on it goes, and soon it's a decade later and FiN still isn't complete. :'D

That said? Things change, and I've already said some characters will move in or out of the story as necessary. Eventually, once FiN is finally done, I'd like to go back and tinker with even more story branches, adding more options, and more customization. But for now, friend-zoning Mason will cut down on his appearances quite a bit. But, as long as I'm serializing the story, keeping it mostly linear is the best way to keep things on track, and moving along.

Does anyone know when approximately the next update will be? Will it be this week or next week?

I rendered another 40 images to the game yesterday, and all I can say is it's getting there. I don't want to do what I usually do, and say, "Alright, it'll be out Friday!" and then Friday comes and I'm stuck in my chair for 16 hours trying to rush it to completion. But I won't lie, this chapter kinda whipped my ass. It's my fault, I could've simplified and streamlined things. There are like, 7-8 sex scenes with Ashe in this chapter. Lots of potential divergences. Lots of options. It all just kinda got away from me. But, I'm rendering the last few scenes I need, and it's almost ready for Beta.

 

[Joshy92]

Does anyone else get angry when they think of what Mason had to go through
Before the game started
People treating him like crap and things like that.
The people who did all that bad stuff to him need a kick to the balls.

Heck that applies to all the people who hurt the girls too.
Let's line all this scum up and kick them in the nuts

I may be a simp, but I will fight for these beauties anytime

 

[Machete]

Some people are going to be salty because the next update is so Ashe heavy, I'm sure.

Here i am!!!!

Kidding
I'm not a fan of Ashe in general, but all the girls in the game need their space to shine

 

[Machete]

Does anyone else get angry when they think of what Mason had to go through
Before the game started

Indeed. This is a game about terrible back stories and sure Mason had it hard a lot. Even just thinking he has been beated to disability...

 

[Fate stay]

Just Started this game,
It looks good

 

[Machete]

Just Started this game,
It looks good

It's good. Very.

 

[caravaggio]

thank you for reply .. i just wished to know why is that character needed to be removed from the game by this mod .. but any way never mind

I don't think there's a reason frankly, I played the game and it's generally a good game, so any reason to cancel a character can't be supported

 

[Uriel ☁]

Some people are going to be salty because the next update is so Ashe heavy

Not me. By the time I'm done with her, her skin will be the one who's salty.

 

[yur65]

Ain't Mason all do is just straight up kindness even when he's treated so badly by people around him? other than the MC. We even see that he doesn't even bother to get his bag from the thief just because he doesn't want trouble. I don't get why he gets a lot of hate just because he is a trans man, you can easily avoid having gay stuff with him just by treating him kindly.