Joshy92

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All paths are fire to me, usually one side will be worse than the other due to devs just being better at writing for either romance or corruption. This guy is good at writing the sweet stuff, the lust stuff and the evil stuff. All entertaining and I look forward to seeing each route play out. Only game I genuinely look forward to updates for
Yeah, the game is awesome I agree.
It's one of the few games that keeps me from deleting my account on here.
 

Master of Puppets

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there's a corruption path? i thought it just dark path and love path? and is the corruption path for ashe is that the incest?
There isn't a "dark" path, there's romance, corruption and rape. You could put the corruption and rape under the blanket category of "dark" but it isn't the one path.
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seriously is that all the update guys? why is it so damn fucking short? is this the April's joke?
Feel like this was all pretty well explained by my most recent Dev Update, but to whit: it's a bonus update. Next update is still coming sometime between late April and mid May. At the absolute latest I'll get it out by the end of May. I've been dealing with some health problems, day job nonsense, etc.

Neon became too lazy and is now consent with minimum viable product sadly(( thats what fame and money do
It's true. First you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women. Then you miss your four-month update window because -- wait, hold on. January, February, March..

The non-dark path is written so well and is really sweet. :) Don't think I'll be able to play the Dark Path again after playing the non-dark and my first playthrough was the Dark Path.
The data on this is kind of interesting. Friends Indeed was downloaded 600+ times with the most recent update, while Friends in Need was downloaded 400+ times. Both were made available at the same time, and both for free. I can't say how many of those are people who prefer vanilla to not, how many downloaded the wrong version by accident but weren't subs, etc. Then there's the people who only download it from pirate sites, and get whatever version is uploaded there. But, there seems to be a non-marginal number of people who prefer a more vanilla experience.

Which kind of tracks, when you look at which games are the most popular.

Corruption path > Dark path
For me too, honestly. There's a reason I don't want to draw out the dark paths too long. They're just not super fun to write, after a while.
 

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The data on this is kind of interesting. Friends Indeed was downloaded 600+ times with the most recent update, while Friends in Need was downloaded 400+ times. Both were made available at the same time, and both for free. I can't say how many of those are people who prefer vanilla to not, how many downloaded the wrong version by accident but weren't subs, etc. Then there's the people who only download it from pirate sites, and get whatever version is uploaded there. But, there seems to be a non-marginal number of people who prefer a more vanilla experience.

Which kind of tracks, when you look at which games are the most popular.
Think most people prefer a happy ending. :p :)

For me too, honestly. There's a reason I don't want to draw out the dark paths too long. They're just not super fun to write, after a while.
Agree too. A bit of corruption can help the story move along, like accepting a blowjob from Mason when giving him a place to stay but still treating him well.
But Guy going full Bill Cosby/Mike Tyson is a dead end on the long run. Who would want to stay close to such a person?
 

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personally i play Guy as a good guy, but i love to be mean as fuck to Brent, Jamie and will do so with Gabi's dad too. given the opportunity.
 

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I think the "corruption" in this game is closer to "exploring kinks with someone you like" at least so far. Guy isn't really "changing" the people they are just more open to being flirty/kinks. Hell Britanni goes further in the store if you didn't get lewd with her during the photoshoot (iirc). I don't personally care how dark/light something is as long as it is interesting and well written, but the further a game goes on with a split like this the harder the "logic" has to stretch.
 

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personally i play Guy as a good guy, but i love to be mean as fuck to Brent, Jamie and will do so with Gabi's dad too. given the opportunity.
I'm the same I love being nice to these angels but the dudes are in for a surprise if they think I'll be as nice to them.
 
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My op ed: The only girl I detest is Risa, and there will be as much unpleasantness for as Neon will program into the dark route. "Chained naked to the dumpster behind the VD Clinic" level dark would be a good start.

There really isn't any reason to go Dark Route with the rest of the girls. Most of them are already on their own long term dark path. Guy's dark paths are essentially just expediting or exacerbating preexisting conditions. Nicki is loyal to an abusive loser boyfriend. Ashe is a guilt-ridden tour guide at an art museum. Britanni already knows and accepts she will need to make poor decisions to meet her goal. Gabby is in a dysfunctional family with a failing business. Pepper and Violet are trying to escape endless cycles of poverty. Mason is a homeless sexworker. The list goes on. The Dark paths are essentially just expediting or exacerbating preexisting conditions - Abuse Nicki and
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Guy's dark involvement speeds up an inevitability. Why not be the (comparatively) good guy?
 
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I think the problem with the dark path is that it's too strong right off the bat that the tone is basically stuck on black and that the mc can't really suffer consequences so your basically dealing with equivalent of a murder hobo from D&D who just killing everyone for the hell of it with 0 push back so it feels like the mc has already won and were just going thru the motions it's a bit monotone .

I think if the mc was bit less heavy handed and had to work for it and risk failure
It might be more interesting .
 
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I think the problem with the dark path is that it's too strong right off the bat that the tone is basically stuck on black and that the mc can't really suffer consequences so your basically dealing with equivalent of a murder hobo from D&D who just killing everyone for the hell of it with 0 push back so it feels like the mc has already won and were just going thru the motions it's a bit monotone .

I think if the mc was bit less heavy handed and had to work for it and risk failure
It might be more interesting .
I do think it might be going a bit in a better direction depending on your choices, hard to really say. Take this with a grain of salt since im not a Dark Path player as I dont watch any of the Dark path lewds but read the dialogue before and after the lewds, for context and only play it to see consequences that will eventually happen after I played all my other saves.

But Last time I played the dark path I picked to drug Ashe and choice to only sleep next to her and not rape her. In the morning I told her I didn't have sex with her. Before she left she gave guy some kind of look like she almost felt bad for him, like she can tell he is lonely or something. Which makes me think it could potentially open up a redemption arc with her or something only time will tell. Nicki has something kind of similar too where you can apologize but if I recall that one felt a bit weird as if I recall correctly she kind of forgave him too easily and acted like nothing happened. I hope if there is a redemption arc planned for Ashe it isn't brushed under the rug like with Nicki.
 

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I think the problem with the dark path is that it's too strong right off the bat that the tone is basically stuck on black and that the mc can't really suffer consequences so your basically dealing with equivalent of a murder hobo from D&D who just killing everyone for the hell of it with 0 push back so it feels like the mc has already won and were just going thru the motions it's a bit monotone .

I think if the mc was bit less heavy handed and had to work for it and risk failure
It might be more interesting .
I mean Guy (or any "dark path" mc in any split path game) literally can't suffer any real consequences until the end of the game/early end of the route.

Guy was more or less friendless and just a step above pepper "poverty level" (if anybody would pay Guy would 100% be camming at the start of the game).

If he scares away every LI (because he a dark mode degen) Guy is more or less friendless but financially comfortable for life.
Neon has shown that there can still be some interesting progression in the dark path but shit can't catch up with Guy until the end as a consequence of being a vn released in parts
 

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I mean Guy (or any "dark path" mc in any split path game) literally can't suffer any real consequences until the end of the game/early end of the route.

Guy was more or less friendless and just a step above pepper "poverty level" (if anybody would pay Guy would 100% be camming at the start of the game).

If he scares away every LI (because he a dark mode degen) Guy is more or less friendless but financially comfortable for life.
Neon has shown that there can still be some interesting progression in the dark path but shit can't catch up with Guy until the end as a consequence of being a vn released in parts
I think it depends on your definition of a real consequence to guy personally. I think Nicki leaving is a real consequence as she was guys best friend so her leaving should make him go more psycho and feel depressed. Not just that it would impact his charity as she was helping keeping it afloat. Now yes he can just hire someone new and that is a temporarily consequence but her leaving does have 2 significant consequences id say. Or rather it should not sure if Neon will touch on these consequences. Sorry for tagging you NeonGhosts but writing this comment has me curious. Have you ever mentioned in the past if Nicki leaving will impact Guy in someway I assume it would but not sure if you ever mentioned exactly how before. If you havent or if it's a bit of a spoiler don't worry about answering just curious.

But you are also right there cant be a real consequences that lands Guy dead or in Jail for a significant amount of time until the game is over. However Neon could still write in some smaller ones at some point guy gets arrested and bailed out and he just isnt found guilty until the end of the game, for example.
 
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But you are also right there cant be a real consequences that lands Guy dead or in Jail for a significant amount of time until the game is over. However Neon could still write in some smaller ones at some point guy gets arrested and bailed out and he just isnt found guilty until the end of the game, for example.
Yes they certainly could but (I feel like I say this in every post I make here) "content creep" is clearly something Neon has taken active steps in minimizing. Even a "small" "defeat" would mean Neon has to write/render new locations/people that only a subset of subset of people would see.

Then we have to ask do most dark path bois even want that? I would imagine they want a power fantasy where they can do whatever they want (if that dude talking about Risa and a dumpster is any indication....)
 
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Yes they certainly could but (I feel like I say this in every post I make here) "content creep" is clearly something Neon has taken active steps in minimizing. Even a "small" "defeat" would mean Neon has to write/render new locations/people that only a subset of subset of people would see.

Then we have to ask do most dark path bois even want that? I would imagine they want a power fantasy where they can do whatever they want (if that dude talking about Risa and a dumpster is any indication....)
Easily fixable, just make a render with Guy being buggered in jail, another one being obliterated by police and so on. Now, everytime you want to end the game after a dark path use one those bad endings.


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