VN Ren'Py Friends in Need [Mini-Sode: Blue Valentine] [NeonGhosts]

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

Nicki was my least favorite initially but once I took a deeper look at her mistakes she wasnt as bad to me anymore actually she became my favorite after that. Tho it helps I really felt how sincere she was in her explanation that was enough for me to take a second look at her after my first initial playthrough.

Mistakes can be made, I don't care about that but when she tried to use their friendship in favour of her ex, I draw the line there. She crossed a line that cannot be forgiven. I don't like to play dark path it's not for me but I do it for Nicki.

I'm still on the fence about Risa everything she did says I should hate her but my gut feeling tells me not to judge her to quickly. Just something about the way she looked at us in the car said so much to me without her speaking a word. Which makes me want to give her some updates to fully decide how I feel. That's only because Neon is amazing when it comes to facial expressions in this game any other dev id probably not give her a chance to change my mind very few devs are as good as Neon is at facial expressions.

I don't know, I did not like her from the beginning. Probably she annoyed Carolina one too many times. Her drug thing and tricking MC into drug den was sealed the deal.

 

[Dessolos]

Mistakes can be made, I don't care about that but when she tried to use their friendship in favour of her ex, I draw the line there. She crossed a line that cannot be forgiven. I don't like to play dark path it's not for me but I do it for Nicki.

I must say you are stronger than me I can't do Dark path stuff without skipping through the lewd scenes even for a LI I dislike or hate lol. Just wouldn't be able to do it. Tried to watch the Nicki one before I changed my mind on her and it was to much for me

Yeah I felt like that initially it was a line she crossed for me as well. It was only later I changed my mind cause I did feel like she didn't want to do it but did it anyways (that's my own interpretation). What really sold me onto her was the the fact she didn't come asking for more money again taking advantage of the MC cause would of been easy for her to do lets face it. Instead of using and taking advantage of the MC she went through hard times to try get solve her problems on her own. + her explanation. It also helped a little as far as I can recall she only asked for nothing more for a place to crash for the night and never felt like she was worth being forgiven or the job we gave her. But you probably aren't surprise I am able to forgive her and look past everything , id bet you are more surprised by the fact I didn't like her at first on my first playthrough lol.

I don't know, I did not like her from the beginning. Probably she annoyed Carolina one too many times. Her drug thing and tricking MC into drug den was sealed the deal.

Yeah I 100% agree with you on Risa but idk she is just one of those rare LI I should 100% hate but I just cant for some reason. Not sure if you have any like that Risa is probably the 2nd on for me that's like that. But yeah I have no real rational reason for not hating her other than a stupid gut feeling I had from a look on her face when she was in the car lol.

 

[Joshy92]

I'm pretty sure Risa is a main LI. There is a character sheet link on the first page.

 

[HiP1]

Mistakes can be made, I don't care about that but when she tried to use their friendship in favour of her ex, I draw the line there. She crossed a line that cannot be forgiven. I don't like to play dark path it's not for me but I do it for Nicki.

I think she did it more for herself. she was under pressure from the bank and the loanshark everyday and night with no hope. couldn't sleep for a long time.
that's how her dickhead boyfriend could convince her to go ask MC for help using his feelings and her body. she was desperate.

Yeah I felt like that initially it was a line she crossed for me as well. It was only later I changed my mind cause I did feel like she didn't want to do it but did it anyways (that's my own interpretation). What really sold me onto her was the the fact she didn't come asking for more money again taking advantage of the MC cause would of been easy for her to do lets face it. Instead of using and taking advantage of the MC she went through hard times to try get solve her problems on her own. + her explanation. It also helped a little as far as I can recall she only asked for nothing more for a place to crash for the night and never felt like she was worth being forgiven or the job we gave her. But you probably aren't surprise I am able to forgive her and look past everything , id bet you are more surprised by the fact I didn't like her at first on my first playthrough lol.

if you choose the dark path in chapter 1, she didn't want to go back to MC to ask for more help because he hurt her deeply. if he raped her for 20k, you can't imagine what he would do for 100k. though after the fact, she realized she loved him before he blackmailed her.
on the "nice" path, she seeks forgiveness though, and promise that she will prove that she is really sorry if MC doesn't forgive her. so she does think she deserves to be forgiven. but she doesn't think she deserves to be loved and doesn't want to risk losing MC if the relationship fails.

her choices are rather irrational for me, but I don't dislike her. she is not a bad character at all. I don't get the anti Nicki protest here

I'm pretty sure Risa is a main LI. There is a character sheet link on the first page.

dev said she is not, but the guy that did the character guide wanted her to be so he bumped her up to the main LI category

I don't know, I did not like her from the beginning. Probably she annoyed Carolina one too many times. Her drug thing and tricking MC into drug den was sealed the deal.

it could be said that Carolina and Risa are two sides of the same coin. one is too stuck up, and the other too irresponsible. put together, you got a perfect mix
you forgot the fact that Risa is adopted by a rich family that only wanted a puppet, that she is utter disappointment and disgrace to them, that everything she does is scrutinized to the extreme... and she can still stay playful and positive everyday (though drugs help a lot there). that adds several layers to the character.

 

[Joshy92]

I think she did it more for herself. she was under pressure from the bank and the loanshark everyday and night with no hope. couldn't sleep for a long time.
that's how her dickhead boyfriend could convince her to go ask MC for help using his feelings and her body. she was desperate.



if you choose the dark path in chapter 1, she didn't want to go back to MC to ask for more help because he hurt her deeply. if he raped her for 20k, you can't imagine what he would do for 100k. though after the fact, she realized she loved him before he blackmailed her.
on the "nice" path, she seeks forgiveness though, and promise that she will prove that she is really sorry if MC doesn't forgive her. so she does think she deserves to be forgiven. but she doesn't think she deserves to be loved and doesn't want to risk losing MC if the relationship fails.

her choices are rather irrational for me, but I don't dislike her. she is not a bad character at all. I don't get the anti Nicki protest here



dev said she is not, but the guy that did the character guide wanted her to be so he bumped her up to the main LI category



it could be said that Carolina and Risa are two sides of the same coin. one is too stuck up, and the other too irresponsible. put together, you got a perfect mix
you forgot the fact that Risa is adopted by a rich family that only wanted a puppet, that she is utter disappointment and disgrace to them, that everything she does is scrutinized to the extreme... and she can still stay playful and positive everyday (though drugs help a lot there). that adds several layers to the character.

Well that kind of sucks can you tell me who the main LI are?
I like to avoid non main ones in these games.

 

[Dessolos]

Now that Brittani's mom has been introduced, and her (ex-)boyfriend's transgressions, she became more interesting.
Ashe seems to be pure vanilla compared to the rest. except the past accident, there doesn't seem to be much in her story. Neon is baiting something with the Halloween photo, but there is no hint or real foreshadowing, so it doesn't really stick. it might just link back to MC's sister anyway. there was a missed opportunity with Ashe's father, in my opinion. for now Ashe is just a girl that is underestimated because of her looks, that's not much to stand on.

Yeah while I hate the mother I look forward to see how her and Brittani's story goes from there

I actually get the feeling Ashe is never really meant to be that broken of a character in comparison to the others. Which is why I think he went the path of her having a nice and loving family. I really get that impression when we see her skating as that to me kind of says and show how she is just a typical happy young adult having fun and not worrying about the world or other things. It's almost like she is past her issues but we know that isn't the case when she opens up about the car accident. Her issues may be a bit simple and come across a bit vanilla for a character at least until you have sex with her but I think it really works well in this case

dev said she is not, but the guy that did the character guide wanted her to be so he bumped her up to the main LI category

Damn really that sucks well im still gonna treat her like a Main girl still. If she really is a side character she really comes across as someone that is gonna have alot of depth and story since she feels like a main.

if you choose the dark path in chapter 1, she didn't want to go back to MC to ask for more help because he hurt her deeply. if he raped her for 20k, you can't imagine what he would do for 100k. though after the fact, she realized she loved him before he blackmailed her.
on the "nice" path, she seeks forgiveness though, and promise that she will prove that she is really sorry if MC doesn't forgive her. so she does think she deserves to be forgiven. but she doesn't think she deserves to be loved and doesn't want to risk losing MC if the relationship fails.

her choices are rather irrational for me, but I don't dislike her. she is not a bad character at all. I don't get the anti Nicki protest here

yeah I was just talking about the good path. I don't really like to talk about the dark path tbh since it's not my main save + my memory and information is really limited on that path. Since I only play it to see the consequences, while control skipping past the lewd scenes so it's pretty easy for me to forget the context of alot of the dialogue on that path.

Ah I didn't catch that on the good path since I always forgive her

 

[Deleted member 313508]

Well that kind of sucks can you tell me who the main LI are?
I like to avoid non main ones in these games.

Viola. The End.

 

[HiP1]

Well that kind of sucks can you tell me who the main LI are?
I like to avoid non main ones in these games.

I don't know for sure. I'd say Nicki, Ashe, Gabby, Madison, Brittani, Viola. maybe Mason.
I'm not sure about Alex, Carolina, Wren and Pepper.
and given the taboo nature of the game, Cassie might be an LI too

 

[With The]

i bet neon already forgot gabby step mom

 

[HiP1]

Yeah while I hate the mother I look forward to see how her and Brittani's story goes from there

I actually get the feeling Ashe is never really meant to be that broken of a character in comparison to the others. Which is why I think he went the path of her having a nice and loving family. I really get that impression when we see her skating as that to me kind of says and show how she is just a typical happy young adult having fun and not worrying about the world or other things. It's almost like she is past her issues but we know that isn't the case when she opens up about the car accident. Her issues may be a bit simple and come across a bit vanilla for a character at least until you have sex with her but I think it really works well in this case

then given the kind of game this is, maybe Ashe is mainly meant to be broken by a dark MC. so having a vanilla romance would balance it. her M kink being a bonus. I found her character development on the blackmail path to be interesting. and i'm curious about the rape->apology path.
Ashe might have more branching than Nicki

Damn really that sucks well im still gonna treat her like a Main girl still. If she really is a side character she really comes across as someone that is gonna have alot of depth and story since she feels like a main.

next update might change her status though. she seems to be prominently featured. wouldn't be the first AVN to promote a popular LI

 

[PHIL101-YYouPPHard]

I think she did it more for herself. she was under pressure from the bank and the loanshark everyday and night with no hope. couldn't sleep for a long time.
that's how her dickhead boyfriend could convince her to go ask MC for help using his feelings and her body. she was desperate.



if you choose the dark path in chapter 1, she didn't want to go back to MC to ask for more help because he hurt her deeply. if he raped her for 20k, you can't imagine what he would do for 100k. though after the fact, she realized she loved him before he blackmailed her.
on the "nice" path, she seeks forgiveness though, and promise that she will prove that she is really sorry if MC doesn't forgive her. so she does think she deserves to be forgiven. but she doesn't think she deserves to be loved and doesn't want to risk losing MC if the relationship fails.

her choices are rather irrational for me, but I don't dislike her. she is not a bad character at all. I don't get the anti Nicki protest here



dev said she is not, but the guy that did the character guide wanted her to be so he bumped her up to the main LI category



it could be said that Carolina and Risa are two sides of the same coin. one is too stuck up, and the other too irresponsible. put together, you got a perfect mix
you forgot the fact that Risa is adopted by a rich family that only wanted a puppet, that she is utter disappointment and disgrace to them, that everything she does is scrutinized to the extreme... and she can still stay playful and positive everyday (though drugs help a lot there). that adds several layers to the character.

I could be remembering wrong, but from what I gather, Risa was originally just going to be a side LI, but due to her popularity and the dev's enjoyment of writing her, he bumped her up to a main LI.

I don't know for sure. I'd say Nicki, Ashe, Gabby, Madison, Brittani, Viola. maybe Mason.
I'm not sure about Alex, Carolina, Wren and Pepper.
and given the taboo nature of the game, Cassie might be an LI too

Again, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that the main LIs are (in order of appearance on the main page's image, left-to-right, top-to-bottom): Nicki, Gabby, Ashe, Viola, Cassie, Brittani, NOT Wren, Alex, Carolina, Mason, Risa, Pepper, & Madison. So Wren is basically the only side LI in that picture I believe. Not sure why Neon put her in the poster tbh. Maybe he considers her an integral part of Ashe's story? Or, maybe if Ashe is going to be up for sharing, Wren will be "the one" she wants to share with, and therefore a kind of package deal? As in, we won't get as much content with Wren solo, but will if we go the Ashe sharing route (again, assuming she's actually up for that). That's all I can think of. Or he just plain likes her character, I guess, haha. Not exactly a rule about posters and main LIs technically

 

[HiP1]

i bet neon already forgot gabby step mom

we need to get rid of the husband first since she is still in love with him

 

[Dessolos]

then given the kind of game this is, maybe Ashe is mainly meant to be broken by a dark MC. so having a vanilla romance would balance it. her M kink being a bonus. I found her character development on the blackmail path to be interesting. and i'm curious about the rape->apology path.
Ashe might have more branching than Nicki

Funny thing even tho im a anti dark path player but I do still check it out for context and consquences. The ashe one is the only dark path I can recall. I went with the option after assaulting her in the alley , and forcing her to go on the date with Guy. I drugged her but I didn't have sex with her. When Guy tells her he didn't have sex with her as she leaves and turns ask guy something I forget the question. But she gave a look like she is curious about guy. Is he just Loney? It was like almost she saw another side to him instead of the guy that raped her. To me on that path it did feel like she could perhaps be considering giving guy a second chance as she kind of felt bad for him or something. ( tho Guy shouldn't be given a second chance, doesn't make alot of sense for what he did but hey it's a game) I find this path kind of interesting as it feels like it could be opening up a redemption arc / path for guy in some sort of way.

 

[HiP1]

I could be remembering wrong, but from what I gather, Risa was originally just going to be a side LI, but due to her popularity and the dev's enjoyment of writing her, he bumped her up to a main LI.

it's possible. I haven't followed it quite closely enough to confirm.

Again, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that the main LIs are (in order of appearance on the main page's image, left-to-right, top-to-bottom): Nicki, Gabby, Ashe, Viola, Cassie, Brittani, NOT Wren, Alex, Carolina, Mason, Risa, Pepper, & Madison. So Wren is basically the only side LI in that picture I believe. Not sure why Neon put her in the poster tbh. Maybe he considers her an integral part of Ashe's story? Or, maybe if Ashe is going to be up for sharing, Wren will be "the one" she wants to share with, and therefore a kind of package deal? As in, we won't get as much content with Wren solo, but will if we go the Ashe sharing route (again, assuming she's actually up for that). That's all I can think of. Or he just plain likes her character, I guess, haha. Not exactly a rule about posters and main LIs technically

Ashe does easily accept the idea that MC wants a threesome with Wren and seem open to it. but not quite open to a throuple route as she seems to be very monogamous.
doesn't seem like a harem game, so I wonder how dating everyone at the same time will be resolved.
Only Risa is open to sharing MC with everyone.

 

[HiP1]

Funny thing even tho im a anti dark path player but I do still check it out for context and consquences. The ashe one is the only dark path I can recall. I went with the option after assaulting her in the alley , and forcing her to go on the date with Guy. I drugged her but I didn't have sex with her. When Guy tells her he didn't have sex with her as she leaves and turns ask guy something I forget the question. But she gave a look like she is curious about guy. Is he just Loney? It was like almost she saw another side to him instead of the guy that raped her. To me on that path it did feel like she could perhaps be considering giving guy a second chance as she kind of felt bad for him or something. ( tho Guy shouldn't be given a second chance, doesn't make alot of sense for what he did but hey it's a game) I find this path kind of interesting as it feels like it could be opening up a redemption arc / path for guy in some sort of way.

in the scenario you describe, she asked him why he made her stay if he didn't fuck her. but she just listens to his answer and then leaves. I don't think she changes her mind about him. it might be you that pity him in that scenario.
but she does pity him if you don't drug her, and you instead apologize in the jacuzzi. though there is more hate than pity. and she lost a big part of her fear.
the blackmail path is interesting because Ashe becomes jaded and pragmatic, and if you treat her right during the date, she is the one that wants to fuck.

if you right click on the "skip" on the mini menu, renpy will immediately jump to the next choice. it's really quick to speedrun then.

 

[Dessolos]

in the scenario you describe, she asked him why he made her stay if he didn't fuck her. but she just listens to his answer and then leaves. I don't think she changes her mind about him. it might be you that pity him in that scenario.
but she does pity him if you don't drug her, and you instead apologize in the jacuzzi. though there is more hate than pity. and she lost a big part of her fear.
the blackmail path is interesting because Ashe becomes jaded and pragmatic, and if you treat her right during the date, she is the one that wants to fuck.

if you right click on the "skip" on the mini menu, renpy will immediately jump to the next choice. it's really quick to speedrun then.

yeah alot of my thoughts on this scene comes from the look on her face and my own interpretation. Since i find Neon really is really good with facial expressions in this game to the the point it can say alot and leaves alot of things open up to our own personal interpretation.

 

[SlapE]

Only Risa is open to sharing MC with everyone.

I kind of skim over most of Risa's stuff, since I'm not interested in her, so I'm not sure if this is true or not. (Also, I have no knowledge of the new update really) If so that kinda sucks, that one of the poly/open characters is someone I don't even like.

But oh well, I'll get over it.

 

[PHIL101-YYouPPHard]

Ashe does easily accept the idea that MC wants a threesome with Wren and seem open to it. but not quite open to a throuple route as she seems to be very monogamous.
doesn't seem like a harem game, so I wonder how dating everyone at the same time will be resolved.
Only Risa is open to sharing MC with everyone.

I agree, Ashe does seem more like the monogamous type, to us anyways, but I'm not at all strongly convinced of that. Nicki I'm more convinced on that front, though a lot of people here insist she will be poly. It's pretty funny how people can have wildly different expectations for the characters in this game lmao.

And it's funny you mention Risa, because my guess is she will also be closed off to sharing. She didn't want to bang the MC after she saw him on a date with Ashe. But, maybe she's only against it because she doesn't know her? She could have a friend or two I guess. Or maybe she'll agree to it on corruption/dark path or something (drug blackmail), and might even find she likes it, who knows.

My personal opinion on who's most likely to be up for sharing: Mason feels like the strongest "yes" followed by Cassie & Brittani (ofc, we haven't seen Cassie yet). Viola might as well since it's almost confirmed at this point she's either bi or lesbian. But Neon might have fun with that assumption. Carolina & Madison are almost definite "nos" based on vibes alone, buuut they'd be the most shocking and interesting for sure. Swingers exist after all, and they're usually on the older side, so why the hell not, right? Haha.

 

[Dessolos]

I agree, Ashe does seem more like the monogamous type, to us anyways, but I'm not at all strongly convinced of that. Nicki I'm more convinced on that front, though a lot of people here insist she will be poly. It's pretty funny how people can have wildly different expectations for the characters in this game lmao.

And it's funny you mention Risa, because my guess is she will also be closed off to sharing. She didn't want to bang the MC after she saw him on a date with Ashe. But, maybe she's only against it because she doesn't know her? She could have a friend or two I guess. Or maybe she'll agree to it on corruption/dark path or something (drug blackmail), and might even find she likes it, who knows.

My personal opinion on who's most likely to be up for sharing: Mason feels like the strongest "yes" followed by Cassie & Brittani (ofc, we haven't seen Cassie yet). Viola might as well since it's almost confirmed at this point she's either bi or lesbian. But Neon might have fun with that assumption. Carolina & Madison are almost definite "nos" based on vibes alone, buuut they'd be the most shocking and interesting for sure. Swingers exist after all, and they're usually on the older side, so why the hell not, right? Haha.

I kind of feel alot of these pairing for sharing are gonna depend on if they are on a corruption path or what not as well. Someone like Brittani I feel can go either way that she will straight up accept it if you choose to go down the sharing route or it will depend on the path. I cant get a good read on her as I want to say she wouldn't share without being on a corruption path but honestly with the work she does and her upbringing / her mother I can see her being willing to share as well. Then there is someone like Viola I just cant see her ever sharing without going down a corruption path. So it's gonna be interesting once we finally do get some sharing to happen / more development to determine which LI are gonna be straight up purely monogamous no matter the path.

 

[Skep-tiker]

On the harem sharing subject:

Despite no full harem planned aside from alternate scripts, Neon pretty clearly said that Risa would not be the only one who's into sharing...

Thanks for taking the time to give your input. The harem subject actually came up recently on my Discord. Though it wasn't a lot of people chiming in, those that did basically agreed that my plan to stick to throuple/poly relationships with select girls is a decent compromise between single love interests, and a harem. And I still plan to have a possible 'corruption' harem, where you basically just have all the girls as sugar-babies/FWB with no expectation of commitment. But, I stand by my assertion that a full love harem just wouldn't fit the world/characters I've built thus far.

(....)


I also specifically called out the potential of a slightly ridiculous 'harem path' add-on. Something that would lean into the silliness whole magic-dick MC thing, while also letting players get that ending. I was always a big fan of that gimmick where, if you beat a game once, you could unlock bonus stuff on subsequent playthroughs. So I think it'd be super fun to do something where you beat the game on a love path, and thereby unlock the love harem path.