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Yeah, I feel like the other LIs play pretty well into a man who used to manage a convenience store suddenly getting wealthy beyond his wildest dreams. Out of no where, he now has access to a ton of attractive (and younger..) women he never would've thought of approaching, or being approached by, before. I think part of the point of the game, or at least what I get from it, is throwing the player into that situation and letting them judge for themselves what's ok and what isn't, within reason. Neon's been very generous with how we can interact with all the characters.

Also, I think we should be careful about being too unfair to Guy and ignoring what's probably going through the LI's heads. Yes, they're much poorer; yes, they're struggling; yes, they're younger; but Guy is wealthy, competent, attractive, and depending on how you play him, very generous and kind. He has a lot to offer them. I'm not a woman.. but there's no way anyone's convincing me that Guy isn't sweeping lots of women off their feet. Is that true love? Are these 100% ethical relationships? Maybe, maybe not.. I guess that's up to interpretation.. but the love can easily develop later, and the ethics are honestly in all probability not entering any of the character's minds, they're just following their feelings in the moment. At least that's my 2c.
I don't think I'm being unfair to guy. I'm just trying to imagine myself in that situation. I mean that's kind of the point. You can play purely for porn value - and it's not really you and the girls aren't real and there are zero consequences. That's fine. But the games I really get into are the ones where I can play "what would I do ..." and in this case the answer is I'd be really careful. I like all of the girls, I definitely want to help them all but I'd be super cautious - for everyone's sake - about who I had relationships with.

I mean, if it was just about sex - there's a game called Polyturnon where you accidentally stumble into wealth at an early age and fill an island with beautiful young women - that's really the whole story and it happens in the first two minutes. Then you run around the island having sex with 60 or 70 different Lis over and over again.
 
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I don't think I'm being unfair to guy. I'm just trying to imagine myself in that situation. I mean that's kind of the point. You can play purely for porn value - and it's not really you and the girls aren't real and there are zero consequences. That's fine. But the games I really get into are the ones where I can play "what would I do ..." and in this case the answer is I'd be really careful. I like all of the girls, I definitely want to help them all but I'd be super cautious - for everyone's sake - about who I had relationships with.

I mean, if it was just about sex - there's a game called Polyturnon where you accidentally stumble into wealth at an early age and fill an island with beautiful young women - that's really the whole story and it happens in the first two minutes. Then you run around the island having sex with 60 or 70 different Lis over and over again.
Oh yeah, I guess I'm not really trying to disagree with you mostly. I just meant that, from Guy's perspective and even many of the LI's perspectives (not all, necessarily), it doesn't really have to be predatory.

I do agree, though, that if I played in the mindset of "what would I actually do" (which sounds fun, as I mostly play for the fantasy aspect), most of these chicks would be off my list lol All the barely legals or even slightly above, would just give me too many doubts and make me feel creepy, even though I know exactly what my dick wants and I know it could maybe turn out just fine, great even, for everyone involved. But personally, I just couldn't.

Also, I guess now I'm veering off a little, but to me, that doesn't sound like much of a sex game. I'd describe FiN as more of a sex game than that exactly because of how strong the writing is, and how believable and engrossing the scenarios are. I think that's a key component of a sex game, even if it's just about sex, which might seem counter-intuitive. It's unfortunate it's so rare.
 
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Hey guys I can't remember Kelsey which chapter was she in before the latest? This is her for anyone who doesn't know her.
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Oh yeah, I guess I'm not really trying to disagree with you mostly. I just meant that, from Guy's perspective and even many of the LI's perspectives (not all, necessarily), it doesn't really have to be predatory.
Well, the thing is, this is a very much inherent issue -- if you have this much of power imbalance in a relationship then there doesn't need to be any malicious intent per se; this imbalance is always going to cast a shade on the nature of the relationship and how it was formed, and how it develops going forward.

"But he's got so much going for him other than wealth advantage, and age advantage, and experience advantage! He is kind!" I mean, sure, he is, but Guy was the same kind person when he wasn't rich and influential and couldn't just casually turn people's lives around indebting them to him. And that kind personality of his alone evidently counted for squat when he was working bottom tier job at convenience store, and attracted him whole zero of girls. Even Nicki, bless her socks, didn't think it was valuable enough trait in a boyfriend to drop the dumb asshole she was with, for him.

At the end of the day you kinda have to acknowledge that there isn't a single woman in the game who could be potential partner in a relationship, that would be Guy's equal in terms of wielded power, influence, experience and also age. Heck, there isn't even any relationship that doesn't start with girls who aren't already familiar with how rich and influential Guy is, and/or him rendering them favors and effectively putting them in his debt. Other than, to some extent, Nicki, which is perhaps why the relationship with her feels most "fair", even if it also suffers plenty from this power imbalance.

And then there's this whole other aspect that's typical to porn games (ones without NTR at least) that Guy enjoys additional advantage that's not having a single other guy who would be a fair alternative as far as relationships go -- it's nothing but abusers and assholes and other dregs, that make even "he is nice" which should be most basic thing in the world, some kind of great achievement on Guy's part. If you choose to play him nice, at least.
 
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Hey guys I can't remember Kelsey which chapter was she in before the latest? This is her for anyone who doesn't know her.
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You didn’t miss anything; that was her first appearance. :D The fact that she (and Mitchell) were introduced by name was just me playing with the format of the game a bit. Up until now I’ve been pretty consistent with keeping the narrative tied to Guy’s POV, as the main character. We stay with him all the time, and we don’t know things he doesn’t know. The exception is when we switch to Brent’s POV, or Alex’s, to see events in their mini-sodes.

So, this cold open with Kelsey was kind of positing a world where she’s the main character, and the events of FiN are just a distraction from her story. That’s why our usual cast of characters are introduced as “Unknown” and identified with new headshots. That’s also why I break my rule of staying with Guy’s POV at the very end, as we return to her story.

This is kind of my approach to every character I write: They all have stories happening outside our purview. Any of them could potentially be the main character, in another game. Keeping this in mind while I write them, helps me to avoid making any of them too one-dimensional.
 

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Oh yeah, I guess I'm not really trying to disagree with you mostly. I just meant that, from Guy's perspective and even many of the LI's perspectives (not all, necessarily), it doesn't really have to be predatory.

I do agree, though, that if I played in the mindset of "what would I actually do" (which sounds fun, as I mostly play for the fantasy aspect), most of these chicks would be off my list lol All the barely legals or even slightly above, would just give me too many doubts and make me feel creepy, even though I know exactly what my dick wants and I know it could maybe turn out just fine, great even, for everyone involved. But personally, I just couldn't.

Also, I guess now I'm veering off a little, but to me, that doesn't sound like much of a sex game. I'd describe FiN as more of a sex game than that exactly because of how strong the writing is, and how believable and engrossing the scenarios are. I think that's a key component of a sex game, even if it's just about sex, which might seem counter-intuitive. It's unfortunate it's so rare.
Yeah, there is going to be a power imbalance no matter what. Like Guy explains to Nikki - he probably wouldn't get along with a woman his age who is used to wealth. They wouldn't have much in common. I'm just saying I'd be super careful. I don't know how the rest of the story goes but I expect that people who take the darkest of the dark paths are not going to have a good ending.
 
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Hey hey, folks! Hope you're all doing well this week!
I continue to work on building out the sets I need for the revised Chapter 1 script, including the new and improved convenience store setting. This one's a little annoying, due to some of the textures and surfaces involved. Lots of chrome, lots of glass, lots of gloss, lots of light sources.. All of that means longer render times. Plus, the giant windows mean that I can't hide the exteriors too much, so that's even more assets crammed into the scene. This meant I needed to sit and tweak some stuff for a while, trying to optimize everything, without sacrificing quality. I ultimately got something I'm pretty happy with, which only takes a little longer than my usual render times.
Besides that, there's still not much to report. The script is coming along well, and I only need to do one more small set, and a few costumes for some characters, to have all the assets that I need.
Up top, you'll see some test renders from the convenience store set -- including a close-up of one of Nicki's best assets. I'm not super happy with that butt-shot, so I'll need to work on it a bit more, when it's time to do the real thing. The problem I ran into with that angle, is that Nicki's pants aren't exactly super flattering to her butt..



So, I decided to get a little creative, and re-textured her regular butt, with the same material as her pants.



Combine the two shots and you get my final result. Buuuut, I think losing the shape of her butt, while keeping the wedgie, kind of created something that was less than the sum of its parts. So, I'll take another whack at it.
Also! Because I know this type of content doesn't make the most scintillating of teases (unless you're really into stocking shelves..) I'm including a little just-for-fun render of Brittani helping out her local fire department with an impromptu car wash. Probably good for morale, yeah? I'll have a spicier version up this Saturday for Wanton Weekends, featuring some of the other girls as well.
Finally, on the subject of spice -- I am still working on that Spicy Sapphire mini-sode. I'll be honest, I'm having a weird crisis on confidence with the thing, and it's causing some creative block as I try to finish it. So, I've put it off to the side while I work on Chapter 1's remake. It'll be up this month, but until then I'm kinda knocking my head against the wall, trying to make myself finish it.



Until next time, take care of yourselves -- and thank you for your support!
 

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The problem I ran into with that angle, is that Nicki's pants aren't exactly super flattering to her butt..
Honestly, having some shots not being pervy all way to 11 is fine. I confess that the whole dumb thing with super-clinging clothing that's so common in 3d renders (and usually result of asset makers being lazy and just cloning the base model geometry with some offset) is a bit of pet-peeve of mine. So seeing for once some pants that actually weren't all that felt much better than the fabric magically crawling into the butt crack, that's mostly just silly.
 

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Honestly, having some shots not being pervy all way to 11 is fine. I confess that the whole dumb thing with super-clinging clothing that's so common in 3d renders (and usually result of asset makers being lazy and just cloning the base model geometry with some offset) is a bit of pet-peeve of mine. So seeing for once some pants that actually weren't all that felt much better than the fabric magically crawling into the butt crack, that's mostly just silly.
You wouldn't get along with Ocean :cautious: :Kappa:

There are that help with that and pretty popular ones, so my guess is most artists just ignore them since they prefer the more lusty look of clothes looking painted on.

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Honestly, having some shots not being pervy all way to 11 is fine. I confess that the whole dumb thing with super-clinging clothing that's so common in 3d renders (and usually result of asset makers being lazy and just cloning the base model geometry with some offset) is a bit of pet-peeve of mine. So seeing for once some pants that actually weren't all that felt much better than the fabric magically crawling into the butt crack, that's mostly just silly.
I'm of two minds: it's a smutty game, and having the MC checking out his coworker's shapeless butt, doesn't really scream 'sex appeal.' But, I also agree that I over-corrected too far in the other direction. When it comes time to do this scene for real, I'll probably try it with a pair of pants that are a little more fitted, without looking like she has a super-wedgie.

Which future chap will again contain lucien updates?
Depends on what you mean by Lucien updates, really. Chapter 11 will have Risa and MC discussing Lucien a bit, if you're on that route. But, as far as seeing and interacting with him? It'll be a little while. I have Chapter 11 (Cassie, Gabby, Viola, Ashe) and 12 (Brittani's audition) mapped out, but after that things are a little more fluid. I wouldn't rule out seeing him in Chapter 13, though.
 

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I'm of two minds: it's a smutty game, and having the MC checking out his coworker's shapeless butt, doesn't really scream 'sex appeal.'
Don't worry, since it's a smutty game then it also means it's being played by perverts. You could have Nicki bent over there in a nun outfit, and some would still rub off to it :sneaky:

A wee bit more seriously, that thing is far from shapeless, and having some coverage is perfectly fine. Imagining what's under can be very well part of the fun.
 

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Hey hey, folks! Hope you're all doing well this week!
I continue to work on building out the sets I need for the revised Chapter 1 script, including the new and improved convenience store setting. This one's a little annoying, due to some of the textures and surfaces involved. Lots of chrome, lots of glass, lots of gloss, lots of light sources.. All of that means longer render times. Plus, the giant windows mean that I can't hide the exteriors too much, so that's even more assets crammed into the scene. This meant I needed to sit and tweak some stuff for a while, trying to optimize everything, without sacrificing quality. I ultimately got something I'm pretty happy with, which only takes a little longer than my usual render times.
Besides that, there's still not much to report. The script is coming along well, and I only need to do one more small set, and a few costumes for some characters, to have all the assets that I need.
Up top, you'll see some test renders from the convenience store set -- including a close-up of one of Nicki's best assets. I'm not super happy with that butt-shot, so I'll need to work on it a bit more, when it's time to do the real thing. The problem I ran into with that angle, is that Nicki's pants aren't exactly super flattering to her butt..

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Until next time, take care of yourselves -- and thank you for your support!
NeonGhosts I really dislike all the convenience store assets available and what you have isn't great. There should be an end cap on that row of shelves. Valuable floor space wasted. There is no signage around the checkout, or racks of impulse buy goods in front of the counter. Where are the cigarettes, small cigars and chewing tobacco behind the counter? The rows are too far apart. The uniform pants should be even more shapeless and baggy, not tighter. The uniform is not meant to be flattering, here it is designed to be humiliating and degrading. Put some signage on the windows and you won't have to worry as much about what is outside. Put racks with the newspapers or magazines there, or maybe the lottery ticket machine and an ATM. I can't tell how big the coffee area is, but that is a major area filler, with multiple flavors in carafes and a whole area for sweeteners and whiteners. I can't tell if the door area has the height measurement markings on it, definitely need it to tell the cops how tall the guy who just robbed the store was, like you would remember that. Where are the very not hidden cameras? You want your patrons to know they are being watched wherever they go in the store. You could blow off that whole windowed wall, certainly don't need floor to ceiling windows with dormers on top, you could have a counter high wall for more stuff and half height windows.


I spent way too much time in my youth working at a convenience store with a gas station on the overnight shift. Do you know we have been in the end of days since the early 1980's? At least that's what I was told when the nutcases would come in early Sunday morning to get all caffeinated before going out to preach door to door.

I'm glad we won't be spending much time there in chapter 1 so I will let all the above slide, but if you ever make a game centered around a convenience store, you will really have to up your game.

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Well, the thing is, this is a very much inherent issue -- if you have this much of power imbalance in a relationship then there doesn't need to be any malicious intent per se; this imbalance is always going to cast a shade on the nature of the relationship and how it was formed, and how it develops going forward.

"But he's got so much going for him other than wealth advantage, and age advantage, and experience advantage! He is kind!" I mean, sure, he is, but Guy was the same kind person when he wasn't rich and influential and couldn't just casually turn people's lives around indebting them to him. And that kind personality of his alone evidently counted for squat when he was working bottom tier job at convenience store, and attracted him whole zero of girls. Even Nicki, bless her socks, didn't think it was valuable enough trait in a boyfriend to drop the dumb asshole she was with, for him.

At the end of the day you kinda have to acknowledge that there isn't a single woman in the game who could be potential partner in a relationship, that would be Guy's equal in terms of wielded power, influence, experience and also age. Heck, there isn't even any relationship that doesn't start with girls who aren't already familiar with how rich and influential Guy is, and/or him rendering them favors and effectively putting them in his debt. Other than, to some extent, Nicki, which is perhaps why the relationship with her feels most "fair", even if it also suffers plenty from this power imbalance.

And then there's this whole other aspect that's typical to porn games (ones without NTR at least) that Guy enjoys additional advantage that's not having a single other guy who would be a fair alternative as far as relationships go -- it's nothing but abusers and assholes and other dregs, that make even "he is nice" which should be most basic thing in the world, some kind of great achievement on Guy's part. If you choose to play him nice, at least.
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Tbh, I think 'power imbalance' has kind of been overblown a little these days. I definitely think it's a thing, and I do think it's better for everyone when they're more thoughtful and cognizant of the dynamics in relationships. But I think at the end of the day, what really matters is do they make each other happy? Or at least try to? Is there a healthy level of awareness? A healthy balance of give and take? Trust? Compromise? If those boxes are ticked, why does it honestly matter if a guy is 50 and extremely wealthy and a girl is 25 and taken off the streets or whatever? I do think that those dynamics can tend towards the more selfish and transactional kind of relationships, that's definitely a thing and it's sad. But it doesn't have to be the case, and if it has those qualities I mentioned, I think it can be just as lovely as any other relationship between 'equals'.

But also, let's consider another power imbalance: beauty. What if I'm a rich, ugly mofo, and also very lonely and willing to put everything I have into one person. And what if I meet a young, very beautiful woman, the stuff of my dreams, and she actually seems into me? What about that power dynamic, the effect her beauty and youth has on my ego and self-worth, the state of my mind, the willingness on my part to potentially sacrifice everything I have for her love? I'm really not trying to pull a fast one with definitions or anything, and maybe it's not the typical situation, but I genuinely think that's a form of unequal power dynamic that someone can have; it isn't just wealth and position, it can be lots of other things: social power, intellectual power, and so on. But people don't usually consider that man as potentially vulnerable, even though I think he absolutely is.

On being nice, I think you're being a little unfair. Being a decent person is desirable for really everyone, I don't think that's even a question. But unfortunately, a lot of people consider decency to be a source of weakness, or just not in their interest, whether because they're assholes at heart or because they've been punished for it in their past or something. It's still desirable, and believe it or not, it absolutely is not universally common. It should be, but I think it's very unfair to pretend like it's the most cheap and common thing in the world and not something to respect or admire. Being decent is by its very nature vulnerability, and can also be very expensive if no one's reciprocating, or worse.. they're taking advantage; that's not something many people think they can afford.

And lastly, as far as Guy's less successful past and lack of attention from the opposite sex: from the perspective of the author writing characters roughly grounded in reality with desires and motivations adjacent to the real world.. firstly, I think it's more complicated than you're presenting tbh and I think it's very unfair to pin it all on Nicki or other LIs, and none of it on Guy. Poor dudes in shit jobs tend to be pretty unconfident, maybe have given up on working on themselves, and so on. It's obviously understandable. But those are all bad signals for lads to give to ladies, it's a mega turn-off.

Secondly, it isn't fair, but the honest truth is that women are as infatuated with success as men are with youth and beauty. Would you play this game if all the women looked a little flabby, a little mid in the face? Probably not. Because you want hotties with bodies, that's what sells to guys. It's easy for men to be resentful of what women are into especially when they're not that thing, but most of those same guys won't look in themselves and see the exact same dynamic playing out. Truth is, our nature is just as hurtful to them as theirs is to us. But if you want women to let men be men, gotta also let women be women as a man and just accept what everyone desires. If you really want a girl who isn't shallow about success and money, really want a true and honest connection like that no strings, I'd hope you'd extend the same generosity and not be obsessed with looks. The unfortunate and kinda pathetic reality tbh is that there are so, so many guys out there who feel entitled to their ridiculous fantasy of the 10 body 10 face 10 sex life, and yet their girl should be all "oh but honey I also love you for you and don't need the riches or the incredible charm and wit! You're perfect just the way you are!"

Sorry, I think I went a little far there and projected a ton of shit you didn't necessarily say, my bad.. but hope my point still comes across :giggle::LOL:
 

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Tbh, I think 'power imbalance' has kind of been overblown a little these days. I definitely think it's a thing, and I do think it's better for everyone when they're more thoughtful and cognizant of the dynamics in relationships. But I think at the end of the day, what really matters is do they make each other happy? Or at least try to? Is there a healthy level of awareness? A healthy balance of give and take? Trust? Compromise? If those boxes are ticked, why does it honestly matter if a guy is 50 and extremely wealthy and a girl is 25 and taken off the streets or whatever? I do think that those dynamics can tend towards the more selfish and transactional kind of relationships, that's definitely a thing and it's sad. But it doesn't have to be the case, and if it has those qualities I mentioned, I think it can be just as lovely as any other relationship between 'equals'.

But also, let's consider another power imbalance: beauty. What if I'm a rich, ugly mofo, and also very lonely and willing to put everything I have into one person. And what if I meet a young, very beautiful woman, the stuff of my dreams, and she actually seems into me? What about that power dynamic, the effect her beauty and youth has on my ego and self-worth, the state of my mind, the willingness on my part to potentially sacrifice everything I have for her love? I'm really not trying to pull a fast one with definitions or anything, and maybe it's not the typical situation, but I genuinely think that's a form of unequal power dynamic that someone can have; it isn't just wealth and position, it can be lots of other things: social power, intellectual power, and so on. But people don't usually consider that man as potentially vulnerable, even though I think he absolutely is.

On being nice, I think you're being a little unfair. Being a decent person is desirable for really everyone, I don't think that's even a question. But unfortunately, a lot of people consider decency to be a source of weakness, or just not in their interest, whether because they're assholes at heart or because they've been punished for it in their past or something. It's still desirable, and believe it or not, it absolutely is not universally common. It should be, but I think it's very unfair to pretend like it's the most cheap and common thing in the world and not something to respect or admire. Being decent is by its very nature vulnerability, and can also be very expensive if no one's reciprocating, or worse.. they're taking advantage; that's not something many people think they can afford.

And lastly, as far as Guy's less successful past and lack of attention from the opposite sex: from the perspective of the author writing characters roughly grounded in reality with desires and motivations adjacent to the real world.. firstly, I think it's more complicated than you're presenting tbh and I think it's very unfair to pin it all on Nicki or other LIs, and none of it on Guy. Poor dudes in shit jobs tend to be pretty unconfident, maybe have given up on working on themselves, and so on. It's obviously understandable. But those are all bad signals for lads to give to ladies, it's a mega turn-off.

Secondly, it isn't fair, but the honest truth is that women are as infatuated with success as men are with youth and beauty. Would you play this game if all the women looked a little flabby, a little mid in the face? Probably not. Because you want hotties with bodies, that's what sells to guys. It's easy for men to be resentful of what women are into especially when they're not that thing, but most of those same guys won't look in themselves and see the exact same dynamic playing out. Truth is, our nature is just as hurtful to them as theirs is to us. But if you want women to let men be men, gotta also let women be women as a man and just accept what everyone desires. If you really want a girl who isn't shallow about success and money, really want a true and honest connection like that no strings, I'd hope you'd extend the same generosity and not be obsessed with looks. The unfortunate and kinda pathetic reality tbh is that there are so, so many guys out there who feel entitled to their ridiculous fantasy of the 10 body 10 face 10 sex life, and yet their girl should be all "oh but honey I also love you for you and don't need the riches or the incredible charm and wit! You're perfect just the way you are!"

Sorry, I think I went a little far there and projected a ton of shit you didn't necessarily say, my bad.. but hope my point still comes across :giggle::LOL:
I get what you're saying and while there are some bits I disagree with, we probably don't want to turn this into a gender studies or psychology class. I mean, in the end everyone is going to do their own thing - in the game and IRL. My main point was that I would recognize the potential imbalance and be extremely careful, especially with the very young ones. I like all of the girls and want to help all of the girls and don't want a harem but want to finish the game with all of them happy and whole. Of course, one of the advantages of games is that if I fuck up, I can travel back in time and fix it.
 
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