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Lightaces

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Just updated this for the first time in awhile - do old saves no longer work...?

I previously had 0.7.2 of the SubscribeStar version. Just updated to 0.85 and loading my save gives me an error and the game crashes?
Old saves don't work - the code was completely rewritten, and the current version is not quite caught up to were you left off. On the other hand, there is also a completely new (and much improved) Chapter 1 and part of Chapter 2, plus a bunch of other little improvements and clean ups to the story. It's worth starting over.
 

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In the season 2 previews, we have learned a LOT about Cassie. I won't spoil it, but yeah, the idea of her being OK with fucking her brother stretches plausibility. I mean, she has the disregard for convention, but just doesn't seem to swing that way AT ALL.
Plausibly is already stretched when there is only one good guy in the whole town. Or that every woman somehow never has sex with any other men.
 
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Plausibly is already stretched when there is only one good guy in the whole town. Or that every woman somehow never has sex with any other men.
I mean, at the very least Nicki, Gabby, Brittani, and Carolina have all had sex with other men who we meet in game. With Gabby and Brittani, you can actually see it in game. Risa had a husband or at least a fiance she had been with, and it has been at least implicitly discussed in game. And Ashe, on at least one path, has discussed other men wanting to use her for her body, so given how easily she acquiesced to Guy's demand of her, I'm pretty sure she has been fucked by other men. Mason and Dash are, of course, prostitutes. Madison has a husband, so she's out. Alex used to be married. No idea about Wren, but she's probably out as a LI. So, all that's left are Cassie, who shows every sign of being a Gold Star lesbian, and Viola, who is actually an innocent virgin in universe (well, unless Guy was in a mood in the changing room!) And your favorite Isabella has a daughter! Honestly, for an AVN, this game has an awful lot of sexually experienced women.

And the guy who runs the magazine stand seemed like a very nice guy, who Kelsey was trying to set up with her mother.
 
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Na what, the step siblings stuff is way too overused. And authors only do it because they are too much of a pussy to actually make them blood related. It's just a cop out way of trying to add that "oh no we are siblings, but we aren't" kind of thing. The most interesting part about a taboo relationship isn't the taboo itself, but people's reactions to it, the feelings of disgust they feel and trying to hide that from people. It's that game of cat and mouse that makes it ideal, and frankly a non blood related relationship ain't taboo.
Maybe sometimes that's the reason, but believe it or not, some people prefer 'incest-lite' as opposed to full incest. The incest scene with Ashe was really sexy, and that wasn't incest. (well.. they're talking about MC's sister, so it sorta is, but Ashe and Guy aren't related)

To step-siblings, they feel just as related as blood-siblings, and just as grossed out about it (look up Westermarck effect). So, story-wise, it makes just as much sense. Maybe to the player, it doesn't feel as taboo, but it really is.

And, ok, if you told strangers that you're dating your step-sister, they wouldn't be as freaked out as compared to your real sister, but they'd still give you a weird ass look, because it's weird. You grew up with that person and were treated by your parents and your teachers like siblings, you treated each other like siblings. And then you date her!? What is wrong with you!? That would be what they were thinking.

I'm not trying to be rude, but I feel like some of you are kind of out-of-touch with how the average person feels about these things in general, because you're used to talking with other perverts on these forums. :LOL:

Plausibly is already stretched when there is only one good guy in the whole town. Or that every woman somehow never has sex with any other men.
There's definitely more than one good guy in town, but obviously they aren't the protagonist. And I'd say that all of the LIs have sexual experience except maybe Viola?
 

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Oh, and, back onto Cassie; so, I was a little curious and did a little 'research' (emphasis on little: I very carefully asked an AI... lol). If anyone else is curious too, it seems like incestuous attraction boils down to a few potential triggers, assuming the AI was on the right track:
1) Isolation - Emotional & social isolation; so the MC would become the main source of unmet needs. (Cassie sounds like the opposite here)

2) During development: role confusion, unmet needs, or inconsistent boundaries - So, if both Cassie and Guy had unmet needs from their parents, Guy would've had to become a surrogate parent to Cassie, and possibly other things as well, like a friend. This can potentially cause 'role confusion' for both Guy and Cassie, which could lead to blurred boundaries. I think here it would just be role confusion between parental figure and sibling, though, not romantic partner. :unsure:

Also possible that the father was sort of involved in the family, maybe especially when Guy left. If that's the case, the father could've created role confusion for Cassie as well, and that might bleed into how she perceives men in her family, like Guy? I don't know, I'm no expert, so I'm not gonna pretend like I fully understand how it's supposed to work, because I definitely don't.

3) Personality & attachment style - Borderline and narcissism are associated with poor boundary control and dependency, and insecure attachment style may predispose someone to unusual relationship dynamics. So, maybe these are factors for Cassie?

4) Genetic Sexual Attraction - If Cassie didn't grow up with Guy for long enough, it's possible she never developed the 'westermarck effect' (biological/psychological repulsion) towards Guy. So, maybe she associates him with a caretaker that met her emotional needs, yet not as sexually repulsive because he wasn't around long enough?

5) Disregulation of sexual identity/self-schema & history of sexual abuse - So, if Cassie was sexually abused when she was younger, especially by a family member, then her boundaries and sexual identity could be warped.

That's all I got. Not much, and I feel pretty weird focusing this much on the theory of incestuous attraction. :LOL: But, it was morbidly interesting!
 
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Feel like it would be Britt or Gabby personally
at least one of the Britney paths is planned to be a full-blown pornstar, so I consider chance of something else coming her way being less likely, Gabby scenes havent shown that psychological crack yet, contrary to Ashe's dark content which is just a train of red flags. thats how I see it at least
 

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Honestly, you can make a case for a bad ending for every LI if you think about it. :cry: Brit seems like she's always wearing a mask for people, and that can be unbelievably draining until something snaps. Gabby feels like an insecure wallflower that anchors her self-worth to the whims of others too easily. Ashe feels delicate and innocent, completely unprepared for the grim reality that lies just behind her curtain of naivety; the dark truth of just how cruel the world is can be an unbearable weight for some to bear, and not everyone can live with it. I wish I could go on, but my brain isn't wrinkled enough for the effort.

However, I don't think Neon is going to give a bad ending to any of the LIs, and if I recall, he's basically said as much. I know some of you want a full catalogue of different endings that run the whole gamut, up to and including dark Guy claiming victory. And maybe Neon will do that in the end, who knows; it can sometimes be narratively interesting in a morbid way, and it does give players that much more control over their story. But, he doesn't seem like he's into that sort of thing to me, especially any route where the MC is just a rampaging psychopath.

I think instead we will see the protagonist shift from the MC to the LIs, and they will be who the audience is supposed to be rooting for. Instead, the MC will become the lost cause tragic fall, not sure if there's a literary coinage for that. From a story perspective, it'll satisfy the part of you that likes watching a car crash in slow motion; it will also feel cathartic when you see dark Guy get what's coming to him, and when you see the LIs become stronger and conquer the pain and sorrow he (and others) have inflicted on them.

You could even argue that's what good Guy's story is; overcoming all the hardships life's thrown his way, and life's thrown at the LIs, and joining (initiating, even) their healing and self-betterment (I know, I know, it sounds cheesy and gay, but that's what it is). Dark Guy's throwing all of that potential away for some temporary self-gratifying pleasure at the expense of others; the way I see it, it's supposed to be sad and pathetic to watch, from the perspective of the story.

Anyways, I've gone and typed a wall again, haha. I'm sure I'm going off-road here from what Neon's plans are, but this is what I'd gamble on. If it does roughly turn out this way, I'm sure some of you will hate that aspect of the game, but I think it will be a very beautiful story, despite being a porn VN that I started for the sole purpose of extracting my dumb cum from my saggy balls. :HideThePain:
 

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Well If a game is set up for bad endings that would be FiN, and I'm not talking only about bad endings for the girls.

Evil Guy ending death or in prison shouldn't be a surprise for anyone. I know it's a cliche but you can only do evil shit to a point, at some point your crimes will caught on you one way or another. Even if you're a rich fuck like Epstein.
Still I hate Hollywood morality so maybe Neon can set a counter for the endings, like if you end the game with +10 evil shit points you get the bad end and if you get -10 you get another on the evil route. I mean, not every motherfucker get caught in the end in real life.

Another interesting thing can be a bad end for Good Guy. The game already had foreshadow it during Guy talks with his lawyer. Suckers and money are a bad combination, at some point someone will scam them. Be that a gold digger, a perfect investment oportunity or whatever. Right now Guy is throwing money around like Midas when he's not as rich as Risa's father for example, so how much can that last? Ending back at the shop working as a broken ass Guy can be grim for a Good Guy playthrough :KEK:
 
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Right now Guy is throwing money around like Midas when he's not as rich as Risa's father for example, so how much can that last? Ending back at the shop working as a broken ass Guy can be grim for a Good Guy playthrough :KEK:

I'm pretty sure there was dialogue about MC making some investments and not being at risk of bankruptcy. If I remember correctly, it was when he was sitting with Nicki in the jacuzzi.
 

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However, I don't think Neon is going to give a bad ending to any of the LIs, and if I recall, he's basically said as much. I know some of you want a full catalogue of different endings that run the whole gamut, up to and including dark Guy claiming victory. And maybe Neon will do that in the end, who knows; it can sometimes be narratively interesting in a morbid way, and it does give players that much more control over their story. But, he doesn't seem like he's into that sort of thing to me, especially any route where the MC is just a rampaging psychopath.
Yeahhhh. I mean, some of the love interests may not have happy endings. But, I won't kill off any love interests. I'll go ahead and say that now. As for Guy, I'd like to see his endings run the gamut. I have at least one bad ending in mind for Good Guy. I have at least one good (well, goodish) ending in mind for Bad Guy. Grey Guy has a similar range of possibilities.

I've said this before, but I fully anticipate wrapping up the last chapter, and then spending a full dev cycle just doing the various possible ending montages.
 

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Hey, folks! Hope your week's off to a good start. Sorry to get this up late again. @_@ I've been a day behind for like three weeks, and unfortunately it won't be stopping anytime soon. I've got some hectic, time-sensitive stuff in my personal life that's eating away at my days, I've been doing some annoying annual re-certification stuff at my day job, and of course I'm cranking away on renders as fast as I possibly can. I've put an extra wick in my candle, so I can burn it at more than both ends.

But, things are moving pretty well. I'm in the process of getting a test build ready for my $15+ supporters, which'll likely hit at the end of the month. It'll likely be missing the last scene, since I'm not finished with it yet. But, there'll be a good bit of content. And I mayyyy have time to squeak in a few of the less lengthy, optional endings.

Attached to this post you'll find some images for a scene I had a lot of fun with, because I got to go a little big and crazy, in an environment that doesn't usually see a lot of action -- our hero's condo. As you can see, there's a bunch of extra figures in one of the images, and poor Risa's looking more than a little flustered. I'll leave you to speculate about what's going on, but I'll take a minute to get into the nitty gritty of how I put the scene together.

For those that don't know, Daz figures can be reeeeally resource-intensive. That typically limits you to a few figures per scene, if you want the renders to process in a timely fashion. Given that I'm trying to do hundreds (and over time, thousands) of renders, I can't let renders cook for hours. If a render takes more than twenty minutes, I start getting pretty annoyed. So, for a scene like this, where I want a lot of people in it, there's a few options. I could use the , which reduces the texture map of objects within the scene. Pretty useful, but it has its limits, if I don't want the characters' skin reduced to a blobby mess.

So, I tend to prefer using billboards, two-dimensional images that you can insert into a scene. Now, you can buy that allow you to rotate the image on the X and Y axis, and they're pretty neat. But, those sets are expensive, and you're limited to what that asset creator has made available. So, I like to use and make my own. This can be useful for all kinds of stuff, from background characters to skylines. So, I set about making my background cast of party girls.

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I basically just set up a light similar to what I want in the scene, and render figures against an empty, transparent background. Boom, done. But.. This takes time. And as I've already discussed, I don't like wasting a lot of time. So, I decided to try something. I tossed a couple of these images to Perplexity, told it to match the style, and generate a bunch of dancing bikini girls on a plain background. Here are some of the figures it gave me.

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In the end, a process that would've taken me a decent amount of time (posing bodies, props, facial expressions, and hair, rendering, applying costumes and hair, tattoos, etc.) took me under ten minutes. I removed the backgrounds from the images with , put them into the Billboard Builder, and I quickly had a full scene of girls partying.

Now, would I want to use this for something important? No. I'd rather be able to fully control a character's expression, pose, etc. But for background characters, which I knew I'd be blurring with a little depth of field trickery to hide any funky AI features? Well, it's a pretty solid return on the time investment.

That's it for me, today! I'm currently pushing myself to get the alpha build for the next chapter done by the 8th. That feels doable. But, as always I'll keep you updated on my progress. Until next time, take care of yourselves, and thank you for your support!
 
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