Others Completed Future Fragments [v1.0.1] [HentaiWriter]

[Mhiggey]

That's your opinion and characterization of his behavior, not objective fact.

What a useless thing to say. First, obviously not just my own opinion considering that the line you quoted wasn't one that I wrote, it was being referenced in a reply. Second, the point was covering how someone's behaviour in and out of a thread was perceived, and it's pretty fucking obvious reading this thread that a number of posters don't like how HW conducts himself. You can try and pull the 'well I don't think he was being entitled' card, but then all you're doing is providing your own subjective opinion on the matter.

Your lies of ommission here seem to be intended to misconstrue HW's comparison as likening FF to one of said AAA games.

HW often likens FF to AAA games in order to justify AAA-levels of development time, such as below:


Maybe trying to 'outdo' Skyrim's levels of 'individual NPCs' in your sidescrolling porn platformer isn't the best use of your crowdfunded budget.

Only one really seething here is you, it seems.

You seem pretty invested on one side yourself if that's all you have to say to that screenshot.

Are you sure it's not vitriol coming from you and people who share your opinions and perspective, and how you communicate them, that turned the original thread into a shitshow? Cause I'm not so sure.

Pretty sure it's failing to release the game by 2018, 2019, 2020, for free in 2021, 2022, 2023 (TBA) that might have caused people to have some second thoughts. Then there was the lying about the steam release and blaming them for delaying it at Christmas, the evidence that they were actively petitioning mods to have user posts deleted, then there was the 'fire demo in 24 hours!' promise.

These last few pages are mere kindling compared to that.

That in and of its self is nothing nefarious. If people are review-bombing the game because of missed release dates and such, are they really legitimate reviews? Is the criticism in good faith, or is it more of the aforementioned vitriol?

Yes, people taking issue with crowdfunded projects continuing on in dev hell while the dev/PR guy lies through their teeth about it repeatedly is legitimate. If you want to use forums to spruk your game for money, then expecting people to not ask questions when it doesn't appear within your own scheduled release time and then get mad when you lead them on, is probably not the right game plan. Hw is under no obligation as a dev to continue to post in this thread, and likewise users are free to post their opinions about the game in the thread as long as the mods deem the thread still worthy of life.

And as it seems, the mods ended up deeming HW's bitching about the thread to be more annoying then the thread remaining unlocked.

Yeah, reading far too deep into things + confirmation bias. When you've got yourself into an adversarial relationship with someone it's easy to take any vague statement of theirs at its worst possible meaning.

As I said the claim that HW is going to mess with the site is questionable, but threatening to mess with a thread while having a history of trying to have threads removed outright is something that raises questions with posters (such as the guy who made the claim in the first place). Having the discord brigade squad show up and drop their spaghetti after HW complains about it in the discord is more than a coincidence as well.

Perhaps you should follow your own advice

I ain't the one crying in discord about the thread, nor am I the game dev/writer who's five years overdue and apparently a good couple of grand in the hole.

still don't get it

That's a you problem them.

and that is evidence of ?

>Turns F95 thread into such a shit show that mods themselves confirm that he tries to force mods to delete criticism and bad reviews AND make a new thread for unmoderated discussion of this game.

You've got a screenshot from the mod right there.

who is this

Sprite artist for the game, the original thread had a bunch of WIP sprites and animations that were cut from the game or used as a showcase.

Here again, if you saw that good and bad things were deleted you must have read them, my question is what was deleted?

I posted it. You aren't getting a word-for-word retelling of every post in a thread HW had deleted seven years ago, unless ULMF has site backups that old.

I can't say anything about that point, I knew that he had once said that it should somehow be free for a short time

Those adjectives...




So yeah, the next time someone tells you that HW has been pushing this '99% done pinky promise' thing for a while you better believe it.

I mean, your texts consist of some imaginary statements and accusations. say something meaningful

Screenshots don't lie.

 

[Xeline]

It is noteworthy to mention HW and others had health issues that winter.

I'm convinced you would prefer patreons who have literally walked away with money and disappeared quietly into the night after years of showing far less than HW has.

 

[Mhiggey]

So just to sum up what the last few hours has yielded from this delightful exchange, I've gleaned that the future fragment discord supporters are now banking on the 'Hentai Writer is just really incompetent and not malicous' defence as to why you should trust Hentaiwriter to meet their promises.

Swell.

So, you gave money to a game on patreon, you weren't happy with the delays, the dev offered a refund, you took him up on it, and he delivered it to you without issue. And this is the dev that is a horrible scam-artist? The one you think is scamming hordes of patreon supporters out of their cash, but they just need you to help them realise it?

The only people calling 'scam artist' are, funnily enough, the discord defenders. All I've said is that (and I'll put it in a little list for you to make it easy):

1. HW can't manage a project to save his life, they add expensive pointless shit which leads to them overpromising and underdelivering.
2. They can't hold their cool in the face of criticism from porn forums.
3. They lie about release dates, reason for delays, and about Steam policy.
4. They have a history of defending shoddy patreon projects that they themselves were friendly with, so they've seen this sort of backlash play out before.

The only 'artist' in this entire mess is the sprite artist. If you valiant knights want to go all in on the 'He's just a really shit dev' angle then I'll happily back it.

 

[Severthe]

So just to sum up what the last few hours has yielded from this delightful exchange, I've gleaned that the future fragment discord supporters are now banking on the 'Hentai Writer is just really incompetent and not malicous' defence as to why you should trust Hentaiwriter to meet their promises.

I don't actually think HW is incompetent at all. I think the FF demos show a fantastic level of promise in the game. I only said bad at estimating release dates and amount of work left. Which is something even AAA studios struggle with because it's incredibly hard (see all the big name industry scandals over rushed release dates or endless delays)

The only people calling 'scam artist' are, funnily enough, the discord defenders. All I've said is that (and I'll put it in a little list for you to make it easy):

1. HW can't manage a project to save his life, they add expensive pointless shit which leads to them overpromising and underdelivering.
2. They can't hold their cool in the face of criticism from porn forums.
3. They lie about release dates, reason for delays, and about Steam policy.
4. They have a history of defending shoddy patreon projects that they themselves were friendly with, so they've seen this sort of backlash play out before.

Accusing a dev team of lying (point 3) is to accuse them of fraud (i.e., scamming).

And here's you earlier also accusing them of fraud:

This thread is marked 'abandoned' by the mod team for a reason, my guy. There is no more game to be discussed, there hasn't been for a good couple of years at this point. At this point it's just waiting to see this overdue 'unpolished' fire level demo and seeing where all of the patreon money that's been flowing in from 2014/2015 has gone to in this 2D platformer.

You are making extremely serious accusations, reputation shattering accusations, without any evidence of such fraud beyond speculation in your head. The concrete evidence related to money that you do have (being refunded without problem) goes against your theory, so you brush it off to continue your obsessive crusade.

My advice to you is to give it a rest and wait for the game's release. If what you believe is true, it will then be abundantly clear

 

[OmniFurious]

You guys actually think that someone who takes this long to release a porn game will take down F95? With the previous track record, I'd imagine the site would be untouched for at least 25 years right?

 

[Aerisetta]

How's the porn in this game? Is it good?

 

[Mhiggey]

I only said bad at estimating release dates and amount of work left.

Given that they are the project lead and PR guy, that's not reassuring at all. Especially since it wasn't just 'estimating' release dates, it was promising release dates with the game being '95% finished' more than two years ago.

Which is something even AAA studios struggle with because it's incredibly hard (see all the big name industry scandals over rushed release dates or endless delays)

And people give those studios shit for it, don't they? HW likes to say they don't want to do a cyberpunk, but they seem more like a star citizen type of dev.

Accusing a dev team of lying (point 3) is to accuse them of fraud (i.e., scamming).

Then I've got bad news for you hombre, because HW has done all of that and it has been documented in this very thread. If you want to count that as scamming, well...

And here's you earlier also accusing them of fraud:

And? There hasn't been any content for a long enough period of time that the thread was marked as 'abandoned' by the mods. There has been no demo release for over a year and a half, prove me wrong. The demo said to release in '24 hours' more than a month ago is still not out, and I genuinely want to see just how much money has been made, lost, and spent on what during development.

If you want to count those failings as fraud, then...

You are making extremely serious accusations, reputation shattering accusations, without any evidence of such fraud beyond speculation in your head.

I have provided screenshots of promised release dates, dev interactions with the community, and links to previous threads with explanations. All you've brought to this is 'trust HW bro' and more butthurt than mardi gras.

The concrete evidence related to money that you do have (being refunded without problem) goes against your theory, so you brush it off to continue your obsessive crusade.

"I requested a refunded because I noticed the development process was fucked" lines up one hundi percent with my stance, sir. What, would criticising the game dev process while still paying for it make more sense to you?

My advice to you is to give it a rest and wait for the game's release. If what you believe is true, it will then be abundantly clear

Nah, I'll stick around in this thread and pop in to play around with the FF discord crowd anytime I feel like it I reckon, though unfortunately while the last few hours have been fun I've got to do other shit. Maybe next time you'll send in some other sheep for the slaughter, or even the FF queen himself if he decides to leave the safety of his discord again.



Love you too HW, kissies.

 

[nikkunamesu]

How's the porn in this game? Is it good?

Yup, the eye-candy is quite satisfying

 

[Dee1414]

Mhiggey is a bit unhinged in his response but I wouldnt say he's super far off some of his points, sadly. I feel like he (crudely) did explain and provide evidence why he feels Hentai Writer is not holding up in their claims throughout the 8 year development, whether intentionally deceitful or not. And to be like "ArE yOu AcCuSiNg HiM oF fRaUd" in light of this is just gaslighting these claims- if you want to go down that road we CAN talk about fraud, if you want, but this is a porn forum site and seems to be beyond that scope. Whether or not dude is financially involved is irrelevant, too, as his motives don't matter here. It's not that Hentai Writer missed deadlines a bit, it's that the deadlines that were set were so egregiously wrong is where it has become a problem. This is not based on some rando on some external site making up shit, this is promises from the horses mouth.

I have never seen a developer try to release a game unfinished, cite steam as the reason the game isnt released when they dont accept the unfinished game, and then a year and change later try to release a demo of the first level of this game but can't month(s) after because it is unplayable from bugs after declaring it's 24 hour release. See the problem? And throughout the whole last year HW is like "just a wee bit more guys, things just keep happening". It is almost october of 2023 and it is STILL "just a wee bit more guys" when an unpolished demo of the first level is still unplayable. The issue is the folks that put money into this game for years are now incredibly unclear of the game's actual state as the situation has been mischaracterized time and time again, intentionally or not. It's good that you're accepting refunds but that doesn't alleviate the problem. This is not just F95 hysteria, this is literal events of what occurred. I'm only chiming in because it's frustrating seeing a developer and his posse shrug legitimate issues under the rug like it's a rabid mob coming after him with no valid claims. If you crowdfund, you are responsible to give legitimate goalposts for how the money will be utilized.

That being said, I think this will be a great game and people SHOULD buy it and not just pirate it, just be better.

 

[Xeline]

Most of the discord that posts here has criticized HW to his face and unflinchingly so, so implying we are all sycophants is not only rude (not that I care) but highly stupid and objectively incorrect.

 

[Bulbanych]

Mhiggey is a bit unhinged in his response but I wouldnt say he's super far off some of his points, sadly. I feel like he (crudely) did explain and provide evidence why he feels Hentai Writer is not holding up in their claims throughout the 8 year development, whether intentionally deceitful or not. And to be like "ArE yOu AcCuSiNg HiM oF fRaUd" in light of this is just gaslighting these claims- if you want to go down that road we CAN talk about fraud, if you want, but this is a porn forum site and seems to be beyond that scope. Whether or not dude is financially involved is irrelevant, too, as his motives don't matter here. It's not that Hentai Writer missed deadlines a bit, it's that the deadlines that were set were so egregiously wrong is where it has become a problem. This is not based on some rando on some external site making up shit, this is promises from the horses mouth.

I have never seen a developer try to release a game unfinished, cite steam as the reason the game isnt released when they dont accept the unfinished game, and then a year and change later try to release a demo of the first level of this game but can't month(s) after because it is unplayable from bugs after declaring it's 24 hour release. See the problem? And throughout the whole last year HW is like "just a wee bit more guys, things just keep happening". It is almost october of 2023 and it is STILL "just a wee bit more guys" when an unpolished demo of the first level is still unplayable. The issue is the folks that put money into this game for years are now incredibly unclear of the game's actual state as the situation has been mischaracterized time and time again, intentionally or not. It's good that you're accepting refunds but that doesn't alleviate the problem. This is not just F95 hysteria, this is literal events of what occurred. I'm only chiming in because it's frustrating seeing a developer and his posse shrug legitimate issues under the rug like it's a rabid mob coming after him with no valid claims. If you crowdfund, you are responsible to give legitimate goalposts for how the money will be utilized.

That being said, I think this will be a great game and people SHOULD buy it and not just pirate it, just be better.

I don't blame Mhiggey for getting a bit too "unhinged", since every time he listed his evidence, the same people just said "nuh-uh, you're being mean".

 

[Dee1414]

I am not gonna read up on all the drama but i was there in the first ULMF thread when this guy first announced the game, literally saw the thread go up. It was so long ago i do not even recall the date but i do recall him promising it would take ONE YEAR to finish the game because it was "practically finished already and our talented team is commited to bla bla bal" and double down on it whenever pressed. I was one of the few people to call him a blatant liar then. His pitch read like it came straight from The Scammer's Guide for Dummies or a old west snake oil salesman. As i said previously, i don't know how things manage to get this far because you only need one or two direct interactions with this guy to see that he is pathologically dishonest and holds the same pathological contempt for anyone who is not put on this earth to simply hand him money, no questions asked.

HentaiWriter is one of the oldest and most egregious scammers in the whole WEG scamming scene. At this point he might have actually overtaken Eromancer and is sitting on the scammer throne.

Nah I disagree with this fully. I don't think HW is doing this intentionally. I think in his attempt to make "the bestest best game of all existence with 18000000x endings" as a porn 2d platformer game, he bit off far more than he can chew, and continues to do so.

 

[Xeline]

Nah I disagree with this fully. I don't think HW is doing this intentionally. I think in his attempt to make "the bestest best game of all existence with 18000000x endings" as a porn 2d platformer game, he bit off far more than he can chew, and continues to do so.

Yeah he's just an idiot where hindsight bit him in the ass several times. Combine that with terrible communication and programming estimates its a pretty lethal combo. I 100% believe he is earnest and maybe if this thing gets finished it'll be a great learning lesson for all parties involved.

 

[Dee1414]

Yeah he's just an idiot where hindsight bit him in the ass several times. Combine that with terrible communication and programming estimates its a pretty lethal combo. I 100% believe he is earnest and maybe if this thing gets finished it'll be a great learning lesson for all parties involved.

Yeah, I feel like the learning lesson should of been like 3 years ago though before people sank another bazillion dollars of patreon money due to the "a wee bit more guys" commentary. Like, he's STILL doing it even after the steam incident last summer. I'm financially okay, and no I dont want 3 years of refunds, but it's a bit of a coooome on moment. Also lol to the guy who is trying to imply we're all blowing gaskets over this. It's just a discussion, my butt cheeks aren't clenched. It's those guys I was referring to as his "posse"- trying to trivialize the critique while adding no value to the discussion-, so sorry to imply earlier it's a broad brush stroke as people can support the game while adding criticism, like me.

 

[Xeline]

I'm sure HW wishes it was a bazillion.

 

[DrDerpington]

How's the porn in this game? Is it good?

Hmm, I would say porn is mediocre at best. It might have been great like 9 years ago, when development of this game started. But in 2023 it has outdated graphics.

Some people here might defend the graphics, but some people are satisfied with super low res pixelated graphic. It all depends on your taste.

 

[MasterXY]

"Oh hey, 5 new pages to the thread I bet the demo finally dropped, must be some good content given all the discussion."

5 pages later

Well, that wasn't the demo I was expecting, but the last 5 pages have been pretty good content if nothing else.

it's that the deadlines that were set were so egregiously wrong is where it has become a problem. This is not based on some rando on some external site making up shit, this is promises from the horses mouth.

I have never seen a developer try to release a game unfinished, cite steam as the reason the game isnt released when they dont accept the unfinished game, and then a year and change later try to release a demo of the first level of this game but can't month(s) after because it is unplayable from bugs after declaring it's 24 hour release. See the problem? And throughout the whole last year HW is like "just a wee bit more guys, things just keep happening". It is almost october of 2023 and it is STILL "just a wee bit more guys" when an unpolished demo of the first level is still unplayable. The issue is the folks that put money into this game for years are now incredibly unclear of the game's actual state as the situation has been mischaracterized time and time again, intentionally or not. It's good that you're accepting refunds but that doesn't alleviate the problem. This is not just F95 hysteria, this is literal events of what occurred. I'm only chiming in because it's frustrating seeing a developer and his posse shrug legitimate issues under the rug like it's a rabid mob coming after him with no valid claims. If you crowdfund, you are responsible to give legitimate goalposts for how the money will be utilized.

Finally, a post from another sane individual, buried beneath all the character assassinations and people discussing whether or not HentaiWriter will call his father Bill Gates to chop down the internet to destroy a shitty porn pirating website, I feel like your point gets overlooked a lot. I tried searching the last 20~ pages or so for a post I really liked but couldn't find it (was probably deleted), but post had quoted and screenshots of the last 5-6 promise release dates over the course of the last several years. To me at least it boggles the mind how you can be 90% done a game for half its life time.

It really cannot be stated enough the problem is not the missed release dates, its the promises made, and broken along the way and some of the dubious claims the dev makes. The trust is broken between people interested in this game, and the dev, wherein we are now in a situation in which on one side you have people who are (rightfully) concerned this is a scam game and their evidence to that is the constant broken promises and missed release dates which follows the same pattern as every other scam patreon game in existence, and on the other side you have the people who aren't convinced its a scam game who don't seem to understand why the other group is annoyed and just thinks its a matter of being impatient (for some it is, but like I said I don't think missing release dates is what bothers most people, its just the easiest thing to clown on). The reason most people haven't clicked unwatch and just ignore the thread is because deep down we're all interested in the game and fans of it and want to see it release.

So, you gave money to a game on patreon, you weren't happy with the delays, the dev offered a refund, you took him up on it, and he delivered it to you without issue. And this is the dev that is a horrible scam-artist? The one you think is scamming hordes of patreon supporters out of their cash, but they just need you to help them realise it?

As far as patreon is concerned, he was mentioned earlier but yanderedev is living proof that you don't even need to release anything to rake in thousands of dollars. Its why these patreon games always inevitably go the same way.

I don't think this is a scam game and I do think it will release before year is over (but I'm not confident enough in that to bet on it lol), but I personally believe there's probably been more (technical) progress made on this game in the last year than has been made on the 5 before it combined because it was being milked, and now we're reaching the end of how long it can be milked for which has lit a fire under their asses because they have nothing they can show off right now to prove progress was being made unlike years prior where they'd just have to show some new animations, or area maps which imo is the easy highly visible progress.

Also HW I know you're reading this but you don't need to PM me about this one we've had this chat before and I don't want to waste either of our times talking in a circle again lol this is just my opinion and there's no combination of words that'll convince me out of it, actions are more important right now.

 

[Merlin7]

I doubt anyone's open to suggestions, but if I'm wrong:
Can't recommend enough only checking this thread once every few months. Has an incredibly positive effect as far as staying rational & upbeat & keeping my ass stick-free. Future Fragments will come out or it won't, but all the effort and emotion being invested here, on both sides, won't change it. Reminds me of Mia Melano's thread on adultdvdtalk - super short career, she did like 6 scenes then quit, but still has folks who just flamewar each other ad infinitum. It's not a good look.

 

[TJ412]

I went back and played the Electric level all the way through. I gotta say the game does have some really neat, novel ideas and gimmicks for an action puzzle-platformer. It can be a bit frustrating when you get sent all the way back to the start, or mess up the timing of something and have to re-do a platforming segment - but it didn't take me more than a couple attempts to figure things out, and this was by far the most confusing level for me. My biggest complaint is that it's really stingy with the health pickups, even on the easy mode. Found the boss pretty difficult too. And I guess conceptually, just like with the writing, relatively precise platforming that potentially results in frustration, doesn't really mix well together with an H-game. Sure, a bit of challenge is necessary otherwise you're never gonna lose to see the animations without going out of your way. Not saying it's nintendo-hard or anything, but I feel there's only one thing that should ever be truly hard when playing an H-game and it isn't anything to do with the game its self.

 

[droglob]

This thread is officially the most entertaining part of this game
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What game?