I personally think it's refreshing getting a full game all at once. Could've easily ended up as one of those devs who trickle out 2 scenes and a new room to an area a month and rake in a shit ton of cash like 80% of games on this site. Most of which aren't even on the same planet in terms of quality as FF. Luckily a lot of the hyped people are lurkers, I have no doubt the release will go great and excited to see what the devs have planned next, if anything.
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Thanks a lot for the faith in us; we're gonna do our best to deliver.
As far as what we've got planned next, we've actually already got game design documents for a number of games ready, as well as Eroding Ego having a good chunk of its art and most of its audio already done, so that shouldn't take too long to do, and while we're working on that small/medium-sized game, we'll be planning out our next big game.
All the games we're working on are linked together loosely in the same universe as well, so the outcome of one game can affect the story for another game (not through save files, just in general; if you want an idea of how loosely they might be connected, think something like the overarching plot points of first four Phantasy Star games, where you don't NEED to have played the others to get what's going on in any given game, but if you did, you'll catch small references/easter egg type stuff).
Why do you feel a need to insist on refunding your critics? I don't want a refund, since I'm sure you'll ship something eventually.
It's not about "refunding my critics", and I'm pretty sure you know that.
It's about the fact that your entire basis for almost all of your posts in this thread has been that you're upset about the amount of money you'd spent on backing us, and that had you stayed pledged, you would have used even more.
Why would I not push for you to get refunded when that's the core of your complaints regarding the game, consistently? We want people to be happy with both how their money has been used as well as how much they've spent supporting us, so if they aren't, we want to remedy that.
It has nothing to do with "refunding the critics", as I've pushed just as hard to refund people who were die-hard supporters of the game but felt they'd spent too much or needed the money back for IRL reasons.
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I'm one of those lurky types, but gotta say, you've been incredibly communicative about the progress and setbacks in finishing the game for a while. I don't envy you having to engage with the NSFW dev community, but applaud that you've been doing it so consistently for so long. I hope you'll eventually consider further projects once FF is behind you, I'd love to see more quality work like this.
Means a lot, but yeah, while we're not perfect, I'd like to think we've tried our best in that area.
Check this post out for more about that; https://f95zone.to/threads/future-fragments-v0-27ex-march-2022-demo-hentaiwriter.1550/post-9476312
anonymousbruh
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HW please leave this site. Making multiple paragraph responses to people can't be good for your mental health or the development of the game. I and many others here follow your twitter and we're fine getting updates there. It just feels like you're unnecessarily putting stress on yourself when you respond to every one of these. I wish you all the best and am still impressed by the quality of FF. I look forward to buying it on itch when it comes out there.
I'm generally only replying to people who have actual critique/concerns, but I promise it's not impacting my mental health (or derailing development of the game); actually, I like answering questions and such.
I appreciate the concern though
Actual release-dates feel like a trap.
You still want transparency but you can have that without a deadline.
"Yeah, the first level is done" or "We're touching up the final level now." is fine as a ballpark for where production is, but "It's definitely going to be out by X date" is a mistake to say. Because you have no guarentee that it's actually true.
I hope this project works out for you guys, it really sounds like you've poured everything you have into it.
But you've also overran your 'final deadline' like... a dozen times.
What even happened with the latest one? Did steam reject it again?
You still want transparency but you can have that without a deadline.
"Yeah, the first level is done" or "We're touching up the final level now." is fine as a ballpark for where production is, but "It's definitely going to be out by X date" is a mistake to say. Because you have no guarentee that it's actually true.
I hope this project works out for you guys, it really sounds like you've poured everything you have into it.
But you've also overran your 'final deadline' like... a dozen times.
What even happened with the latest one? Did steam reject it again?
Absolutely, I can promise future games will never ever have release dates (until it's ready to go).
They'll still have progress reports, but yeah.
That, and then some. Pretty much lived and breathed this game for the last 7-some years.
They did the 2nd time around per not being complete enough in general (not just endings) to qualify for full release (and not early access). We were going to submit it a 3rd time, but then we ran that poll + fears of getting banned, so we set the release date to "when it's done".
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i feel release dates are only really good when you are either finished or extremely confident about finishing it in short time window. i dont think its necessary. frankly i like the surprise of waking up one day and seeing a game i follow being completed
How "heavy" is the game going to be though? more than 1 GB? Just asking because of all the things we should be getting like the cutscenes depending on moral alignment and other variables plus the voiced dialogues.
Right now, the game is at 1.3GB, at completion, we're estimating around 2GB.
Note that the audio is compressed with .ogg which doesnt hurt the quality (in a way humans can really hear, at least) but it makes something like 2 minutes of audio be under 1MB of file size.
Everyone knows the best release date is "It's actually out now. Go buy it."
But if it got rejected for not being finished in general (not concerning the endings) then what else is left to do? I thought it was all-but done? Is it voice-acting?
The dumb part is, if you tried to submit it with no voice-acting and then add that in a later patch, you probably could have done. (Disco Elysium did that, for example)
But partial voice-acting means that it's unfinished.
No; I clarified a lot of this on the Discord poll, but basically, while most of the writing and voicework is done, as far as actually getting it in the game, there's a good chunk left to do.
Once stuff's written, we can't just copy-paste it in the game 1:1 in like 10 seconds; I have to implement cutscenes, by hand, as well as camera movement stuff, sound effect placement, music placement, character expressions, etc. all myself.
Then, for game over cutscenes and a few other things, Frouge has to hard-code those in, since those can appear on any map (regular cutscenes are chained and load up on specific maps, which is why I can do them myself with the editor).
The difference is, we promised voice acting from the get-go, and the demo had it, too. Removing it wouldn't work, even if that was all that there was left to do.
treefingermagic
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well i guess i going to wait until the release and stop following this thread and leave the discord.
to be honest i was hoping at least a preorder or a early access release today
just to buy it and forget it until it releases, my reason?
my country is a shitplace and even if NOW have a "decent" price
with the inflation that we manage is going to be worse and worse as months go by...
to be honest i was hoping at least a preorder or a early access release today
just to buy it and forget it until it releases, my reason?
my country is a shitplace and even if NOW have a "decent" price
with the inflation that we manage is going to be worse and worse as months go by...
Steam doesn't let us do pre-orders, and early access isn't something that's viable for us either.
If the price inflation gets worse, we will change prices as is appropriate, of course. We'll likely change them at the very least, one more time right before release.
omp123
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With how Steam is acting over this game's incomplete status, the best option is to be safe and submit it at 99-100% completion so there's zero chance it gets rejected for incompletion.
Should that not have been the plan from the start?