Seeking games with mixed gender shower

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https://f95zone.to/threads/toro-7-ep-5-tora-productions.111945/
Characters live on an underwater station and share a mixed shower, though very little sexual things happen in here, they just use it to... well... shower.
There's actually an official rule that forbids sex in the Toro 7 shower if I remember correctly. Probably a good call for morale's sake, really -- who (other than a lot of people reading this thread) would want to get harassed when you're just trying to get clean after a long day at work? Of course, rules are made to be broken... HINT: if you play as a male protagonist and romance the Director, there's a particularly memorable shower scene on that route.

SpaceCorps XXX also features mixed showers...and you won't just come across male and female humans showering but aliens of various genders as well.

This mixed shower business is mainly a future thing, I guess. For it to make sense, it helps to have a cramped space station or ship environment combined with the more relaxed attitudes towards nudity and sexuality that we often tend to assume future societies will have. When I ponder the likely bathing practices of our intergalactic descendants, I personally tend to envision high-tech, individualized shower pods that will dry and clean themselves when you're done washing up, offer perfect privacy, and then turn themselves into sleeping quarters when you're ready to settle down for the night. These would potentially be less conducive to sexy times (well, with other people anyway) compared to a mixed shower, but just think of the space-saving possibilities they would offer! And the convenience! In practice, you might even find it's hardly ever truly necessary to leave your pod. It has everything you need...everything you could ever want. Don't wait -- preorder yours today!
 
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There's actually an official rule that forbids sex in the Toro 7 shower if I remember correctly.
If I`m not mistaken, this was a self-imposed restriction after everybody was fed up with a certain couple behavior.
Also, it's a shame that director is so straight, I always liked this character archetype.


It has everything you need...everything you could ever want. Don't wait -- preorder yours today!
If it has a stable internet connection then I`m sold, and also a patch of grass so if someone told you to go and touch grass, you can do it without leaving your shower/bed/human container thing.
 
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Also, it's a shame that director is so straight, I always liked this character archetype.
Yeah, I kind of wish Sumalee was bi just so the largest number of players possible could enjoy her excellent route. On the other hand, if we want to have realistic characters in VNs it makes perfect sense that they should have sexual orientations just like real people do. Also, those orientations shouldn't change suddenly just because a dev gets an idea for a really hot scene...that's a big pet peeve of mine (though it's probably infinitely more annoying for lesbian AVN players). I like that in Toro 7 who the MC is determines who might possibly be attracted to her/him on the station and that isn't something the right set of dialogue choices can change. Doc Salas (aka the loneliest man in the galaxy) might disagree with me!

Arcade Spirits and other games like it take the complete opposite approach. In those, the player can build a MC who reflects their own sexuality and gender identity while resting easy knowing that every romanceable character will still be interested because everyone is conveniently bi. That's an inclusive and empowering approach, to be sure, but it always makes the characters feel less real to me.
 
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On the other hand, if we want to have realistic characters in VNs it makes perfect sense that they should have sexual orientations just like real people do.
Well, from my perspective, realism (psychological realism specifically, I doubt many people will argue that only down-to-earth mundane prose has merit) is not necessary for the narrative to be good. While I do enjoy stories that have characters built from the ground up as a realistic person and then left to react to the world, I also liked quite a few where they used as a narrative device to represent an idea, or for utility purpose or even some single trait wonders. And to be honest, characters with schrodinger's sexuality do not bother me that much as long as they stay consistent once observed.

Also, those orientations shouldn't change suddenly just because a dev gets an idea for a really hot scene... that's a big pet peeve of mine (though it's probably infinitely more annoying for lesbian AVN players).
But I do agree about consistency, a character should have a character for me to empathise. As for the lesbian novels, while there are some where it feels like you are wandering dick infested minefield, it can also be grating the other way around. Like "lesbian route" games with a girl, who started the game dreaming about dicks and pretty boys and having a husband, but then sees naked boobs and suddenly "I`m gay now, will never touch penis again". It feels less like a character progression and more like her having a brain parasite (in this case, myself).
 
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There's actually an official rule that forbids sex in the Toro 7 shower if I remember correctly. Probably a good call for morale's sake, really -- who (other than a lot of people reading this thread) would want to get harassed when you're just trying to get clean after a long day at work? Of course, rules are made to be broken... HINT: if you play as a male protagonist and romance the Director, there's a particularly memorable shower scene on that route.

SpaceCorps XXX also features mixed showers...and you won't just come across male and female humans showering but aliens of various genders as well.

This mixed shower business is mainly a future thing, I guess. For it to make sense, it helps to have a cramped space station or ship environment combined with the more relaxed attitudes towards nudity and sexuality that we often tend to assume future societies will have. When I ponder the likely bathing practices of our intergalactic descendants, I personally tend to envision high-tech, individualized shower pods that will dry and clean themselves when you're done washing up, offer perfect privacy, and then turn themselves into sleeping quarters when you're ready to settle down for the night. These would potentially be less conducive to sexy times (well, with other people anyway) compared to a mixed shower, but just think of the space-saving possibilities they would offer! And the convenience! In practice, you might even find it's hardly ever truly necessary to leave your pod. It has everything you need...everything you could ever want. Don't wait -- preorder yours today!
brother are you working on a new shower
hibernation device pod and where tf do i sign to get one
 
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While I do enjoy stories that have characters built from the ground up as a realistic person and then left to react to the world, I also liked quite a few where they used as a narrative device to represent an idea, or for utility purpose or even some single trait wonders. And to be honest, characters with schrodinger's sexuality do not bother me that much as long as they stay consistent once observed.
Well, it's hard to disagree with you when you put it so eloquently. I think it's just really difficult to establish any universal rules or guidelines for art. There are even ridiculous stories with shallow characters that somehow still manage to do something so interesting or compelling that you can't help but like and appreciate them for what they are even if you might think twice about recommending them to other people. Schrodinger's sexuality...:LOL: I love that and will be borrowing it for sure.

Just speaking generally though, I much prefer characters who act like people (even if they're not actually human) and whom I can understand well enough to get inside their heads and see things from their perspective. In horror, science fiction, and fantasy in particular (all genres I like), psychological realism can help ground the sometimes rather outlandish stories and make them more relatable for us Earthlings. I think Tlaero understands this really well. All manner of wild and improbable events can happen in her stories, but her characters always come across like real people who think, feel, and respond to the events and other characters in the story in plausible, consistent ways.

But I do agree about consistency, a character should have a character for me to empathise. As for the lesbian novels, while there are some where it feels like you are wandering dick infested minefield, it can also be grating the other way around. Like "lesbian route" games with a girl, who started the game dreaming about dicks and pretty boys and having a husband, but then sees naked boobs and suddenly "I`m gay now, will never touch penis again". It feels less like a character progression and more like her having a brain parasite (in this case, myself).
Agreed on all counts. I think these sexuality changes in VNs often come across as if a switch has been suddenly flipped and the character does such a 180 that they're hardly even recognizable as the same person. It can feel less like, "Oh, I guess A is actually bi after all" or "A understands who she really is now" and more like "A got replaced by B." The brain parasite analogy is very apt!

There should be more good stories about coming out where the main character slowly comes to understand herself. It's not surprising that someone might think she's straight before she realizes she's not because we live in a heteronormative world. Denial, internal conflict, and confusion could be perfectly normal parts of the journey. Maybe the character finds herself staring into another woman's eyes a little too long or admires her figure a little too ardently without even a trace of envy or doesn't want to break off a handshake and wonders what it all means. Maybe she finds herself reflecting on why all her relationships with men have been a disaster: perhaps the sex has never been satisfying and the emotional connection has also always been lacking. I'd like to see that internal struggle and understand the change in her thinking as it happens, not just see the results and sexy times. Do you know of any VNs that have managed to do this in a satisfying way?

Part of me thinks that by adulthood most people will have figured out who they are and who they are not attracted to, but I've heard enough real life stories to realize sexuality doesn't work that way for everyone. I try to keep in mind that for me finding out I was a man who was attracted to women carried absolutely zero social costs. I didn't face any discrimination or my family's disapproval. I didn't have to rewrite any cultural programming lodged in the inner recesses of my brain. So of course the journey is going to be different, sometimes dramatically so depending on the individual.

By the way, I haven't forgotten the purpose of the thread and I'm still trying to remember more games with mixed showers. I'll definitely post them if any come to me or I come across any new ones. Maybe the thread itself can BE the mixed shower. You never know who you'll meet here and you can bare all your thoughts and emotions freely. DarkSoul99 somehow always manages to pick the softest and most absorbent towels and the very best soaps so you can't help but want to come back again and again.
 
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brother are you working on a new shower
hibernation device pod and where tf do i sign to get one
It's still in the idea phase right now, but I'll add you to the waiting list. The world may never be the same once I get this thing perfected!

By the way, I thought of another game with shower scenes: Porn Empire. It may not be exactly what you're looking for because the MC doesn't spontaneously enter the shower and meet people there. Instead, the shower is just a location where porn scenes can be filmed.
 

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I think Tlaero understands this really well. All manner of wild and improbable events can happen in her stories, but her characters always come across like real people who think, feel, and respond to the events and other characters in the story in plausible, consistent ways.
I only played Toro but I did like all the characters a lot and also the setting, a small station deep in space, suspended kilometers underwater in a mostly sterile ocean with only a tether as a connection to humanity really hammers down the isolation aspect.

Do you know of any VNs that have managed to do this in a satisfying way?
Some games have elements of it, like Say It Again, where MC starts thinking she's straight but then realized that she never liked being with men in retrospect, also, Butterfly Soup has the main character realizing her sexuality in the background. I cannot recall anything that focuses on this aspect though, I guess it would be too niche thing in an already niche genre.
 
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I only played Toro but I did like all the characters a lot and also the setting, a small station deep in space, suspended kilometers underwater in a mostly sterile ocean with only a tether as a connection to humanity really hammers down the isolation aspect.
Totally. I'm not sure I would have had the idea to compound the isolation the way Tlaero did. Being in outer space isn't enough...you're in an extremely isolated place under another extremely isolated place. It's very evocative and gives the game a really unique, lonely atmosphere. Luckily, if the isolation ever gets too much the mixed shower is always around to provide company, camaraderie, and cleanliness (we are so, so on topic right now!). :sneaky:

Have you not played Life Changes for Keeley yet? If not, you definitely should. It's short but a classic and it's quite relevant to both sides of our conversation. Most of Tlaero's other games have only male protagonists so they might not be your cup of tea (her writing is always great, though!).

Some games have elements of it, like Say It Again, where MC starts thinking she's straight but then realized that she never liked being with men in retrospect, also, Butterfly Soup has the main character realizing her sexuality in the background. I cannot recall anything that focuses on this aspect though, I guess it would be too niche thing in an already niche genre.
Thanks!! I actually have Say It Again downloaded and ready to play already because someone else whose opinion I trust recommended it a while back. I've been putting off playing it largely because I've had very mixed experiences with kinetic novels in the past, but a lot of people seem to think it's well written which is exactly what a KN really needs to be above all else.

is a completely new one to me, but it looks really interesting and unique. Asian American lesbian romance, comedy, and baseball? That's an unexpected combination indeed. I personally much prefer coming of age stories with young teens to not have sexual content so the fact that it's an all-ages VN is a big point in its favor for me. I'm hoping against hope that no butterflies will actually get eaten (or made into soup) despite the title. Your Itch picks have never failed me in the past so I'm definitely going to try it out.

Have you ever considered creating your own rec thread? It would be a great use of your elite game-finding skills, and you could combine AVNs, all-ages VNs, and other games you like into one epic, evolving, and very spidery list. I'd definitely hang out there all the time. OK, maybe that's not the best selling point I could be leading with. Uh, let's go with "It would greatly benefit the community" because it totally would. Surely you don't hate the community?!
 
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men and woman share locker room or shower like summertime saga rpgm or renby or anything
There are mixed shower scenes in Summer's Gone if I remember correctly.
Of course, rules are made to be broken... HINT: if you play as a male protagonist and romance the Director, there's a particularly memorable shower scene on that route.
HINT: if you play as a male protagonist and romance the Director, there's a particularly memorable shower scene on that route.
HINT: That is not the only shower scene
 
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Have you not played Life Changes for Keeley yet? If not, you definitely should.
Thanks, I`m going to check this later, and for once it is also a completed game.

Have you ever considered creating your own rec thread?
I`m not really into maintaining lists and didn't play that many games. Also, when it comes to lesbian titles, I think CboyC95 already doing a good job, so I prefer to add my two cents once in a while.
 
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