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By harem does the dev mean multiples endings? Cuz he said here that polygamy as such is ruled out.
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What he means is that you can have sex with more than one girl, but in the end (thanks to that), you have to decide which one you're going to be with and face the consequences of that.
 
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By harem does the dev mean multiples endings? Cuz he said here that polygamy as such is ruled out.
What he means is that you can have sex with more than one girl, but in the end (thanks to that), you have to decide which one you're going to be with and face the consequences of that.
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Ahh damnit.
 

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By harem does the dev mean multiples endings? Cuz he said here that polygamy as such is ruled out.
I dont know why devs has such ick for harem?
It's a fantasy game, let it be fantasy. I never understand why these have to be bound by real life socialital norms.
I mean come on, 99% of target audience is male.
And i believe 80-90% of those would not mind harem, poligamous nature in games which could never happen in real world(not unless you a Sultan in middle east).
This whole genre It's a fantasy fullfillment, bogging it down with real life rules just takes some fun away which could have been had.
And I'm not talking about this game in particular tbh, just in general about these AVNs
 
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By harem does the dev mean multiples endings? Cuz he said here that polygamy as such is ruled out.
What he means is that you can have sex with more than one girl, but in the end (thanks to that), you have to decide which one you're going to be with and face the consequences of that.
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Thats not a bad approach ig, as we wont have to make multiple playthroughs for each one of them if the paths get diverged in the end.
 

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I dont know why devs has such ick for harem?
It's a fantasy game, let it be fantasy. I never understand why these have to be bound by real life socialital norms.
I mean come on, 99% of target audience is male.
And i believe 80-90% of those would not mind harem, poligamous nature in games which could never happen in real world(not unless you a Sultan in middle east).
This whole genre It's a fantasy fullfillment, bogging it down with real life rules just takes some fun away which could have been had.
And I'm not talking about this game in particular tbh, just in general about these AVNs
just because it's a fantasy doesn't mean everything needs to be a harem. It's nice to have variety as not everyone likes the same things not everyone likes harems , there are plenty of those out there. Sure I will play the occasional harem here and there if I like the game's story or girl enough but I honestly do not like harems over monogamous games. I will always prefer and choose to play a monogamous game over a harem anyday of the week. My main dislike for harems tho is alot of the ones I have played lewd scenes become to frequent because every girl is okay with it. Yeah I know there are slow burns which would be to my liking if I had to play a harem. But it also hard to feel any romance in most harems games for me personally which another reason I prefer monogamous games.
 

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just because it's a fantasy doesn't mean everything needs to be a harem. It's nice to have variety as not everyone likes the same things not everyone likes harems , there are plenty of those out there. Sure I will play the occasional harem here and there if I like the game's story or girl enough but I honestly do not like harems over monogamous games. I will always prefer and choose to play a monogamous game over a harem anyday of the week. My main dislike for harems tho is alot of the ones I have played lewd scenes become to frequent because every girl is okay with it. Yeah I know there are slow burns which would be to my liking if I had to play a harem. But it also hard to feel any romance in most harems games for me personally which another reason I prefer monogamous games.
Okay, i can understand that. But can you answer honestly.
Do you think you on spectrum of majority of males or minority when it comes to sexual preference?
Because one can say that they like small boobs but that doesn't change that majority of males still want/like big boobs(just an example).
Harem( I mean if one has choice to have different favour of ice cream, would a man chose only one icecream. Imagine Just getting a vanilla all your life when you had choice to enjoy strawberry, buttercotch, chocolate chip, whipped cream, pistachio, dark chocolate)
Not having to chose just one woman is a big fantasy. This some something only true kings and sultans life, a common men could dream of such thing.
I believe majority of males fantasize about and i can bet my bet my left nut that every single man has at one point fantasized being with multiple woman.(Atleast 2-3)
And all I'm saying is It doesnt make sense not included one of big fantasy of majority of target male audience.
I get if Dev want to target a niche audience, byt let's be honest here every dev dreams to make million buck from one game.
On other hand
It doesn't have to be Grandma's house(that too much too be honest) but 5-6 drop dead gorgeous women (like in this game)all loving you feels like dream.
I get it Harems are not realistics, but do they have to be?

TLDR, i dont get why devs who want to be serious and make money don't want to make game that could be major fantasy for major target audience.

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Okay, i can understand that. But can you answer honestly.
Do you think you on spectrum of majority of males or minority when it comes to sexual preference?
Because one can say that they like small boobs but that doesn't change that majority of males still want/like big boobs(just an example).
Harem( I mean if one has choice to have different favour of ice cream, would a man chose only one icecream. Imagine Just getting a vanilla all your life when you had choice to enjoy strawberry, buttercotch, chocolate chip, whipped cream, pistachio, dark chocolate)
Not having to chose just one woman is a big fantasy. This some something only true kings and sultans life, a common men could dream of such thing.
I believe majority of males fantasize about and i can bet my bet my left nut that every single man has at one point fantasized being with multiple woman.(Atleast 2-3)
And all I'm saying is It doesnt make sense not included one of big fantasy of majority of target male audience.
I get if Dev want to target a niche audience, byt let's be honest here every dev dreams to make million buck from one game.
On other hand
It doesn't have to be Grandma's house(that too much too be honest) but 5-6 drop dead gorgeous women (like in this game)all loving you feels like dream.
I get it Harems are not realistics, but do they have to be?

TLDR, i dont get why devs who want to be serious and make money don't want to make game that could be major fantasy for major target audience.

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Man, just... please, stop deceiving people.

Your theory that the game being a harem is mandatory to be popular and profitable is just a big lie.
Plenty of games there that are very popular are not harems, in fact majority of the most popular games are not harems.
We can also argue of course about the definition of "popular" but common.

Your wishful thinking is a one thing. reality - another.
As it was said - variety is great, not every game should be harem, again, majority of games here are harems, don't you have enough that you jump into every non-harem thread and start this "I want harem" debates? I am not referring to you exactly of course but in general.

Fantasy or not, there are some immersive players here who enjoy good story and believable characters, some are looking for romance. Personally for me it's hard to take the story and girls seriously in harem games when you simply fuck everything that moves throughout the game and just collect them at the end aka pokemons and make orgies. Maybe that's because I never actually saw pokemons series who knows. :KEK:
Personally I can accept harem route in a dystopian or fantasy setting when the story is build in way that somehow justifies it without MC acting like man-whore, but that's it, even in this case harem-route would the last one in priority for me.
There are exceptions of course but not that many.
 
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And all I'm saying is It doesnt make sense not included one of big fantasy of majority of target male audience.
I get if Dev want to target a niche audience, byt let's be honest here every dev dreams to make million buck from one game.
On other hand
It doesn't have to be Grandma's house(that too much too be honest) but 5-6 drop dead gorgeous women (like in this game)all loving you feels like dream.
I don't agree with this it really depends on the game. Without name dropping some games I have played some games where it would make no sense and even ruin the game if it became a harem all of a sudden. I won't deny that im probably in the minority as I know alot of players do like harems. From what I have seen it isn't all because of the fantasy of it tho I know that's a case for some players. But more often than not when I see someone saying why they like harem it's because they simply don't want to replay the game more than once so it more of a convenience for them

I believe majority of males fantasize about and i can bet my bet my left nut that every single man has at one point fantasized being with multiple woman.(Atleast 2-3)
I can honestly say I never have but also the idea of having a threesome is a turn off for me, so comes at no surprise I never fantasize at being with more than 1 women. I do sometimes struggle with choices especially when thinking who my favorite girl or on a first playthrough as I never want to pick more than 1 unless it's a harem.
 

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I don't agree with this it really depends on the game. Without name dropping some games I have played some games where it would make no sense and even ruin the game if it became a harem all of a sudden. I won't deny that im probably in the minority as I know alot of players do like harems. From what I have seen it isn't all because of the fantasy of it tho I know that's a case for some players. But more often than not when I see someone saying why they like harem it's because they simply don't want to replay the game more than once so it more of a convenience for them


I can honestly say I never have but also the idea of having a threesome is a turn off for me, so comes at no surprise I never fantasize at being with more than 1 women. I do sometimes struggle with choices especially when thinking who my favorite girl or on a first playthrough as I never want to pick more than 1 unless it's a harem.
Oh, am I the only monkey cave brain controlled by his stupid horny dick :LOL:.
Damm i wonder how it feels like to not fantasize being with more than 1 woman.
I got reminded of Bill burr special about gold digger, at end of which he said in between our legs is a thing that can ruin our empire in 7 mins and we don't know nothing about it.
Which is funny as fuck cause its true.
 

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Man, just... please, stop deceiving people.

Your theory that the game being a harem is mandatory to be popular and profitable is just a big lie.
Plenty of games there that are very popular are not harems, in fact majority of the most popular games are not harems.
We can also argue of course about the definition of "popular" but common.

Your wishful thinking is a one thing. reality - another.
As it was said - variety is great, not every game should be harem, again, majority of games here are harems, don't you have enough that you jump into every non-harem thread and start this "I want harem" debates? I am not referring to you exactly of course but in general.

Fantasy or not, there are some immersive players here who enjoy good story and believable characters, some are looking for romance. Personally for me it's hard to take the story and girls seriously in harem games when you simply fuck everything that moves throughout the game and just collect them at the end aka pokemons and make orgies. Maybe that's because I never actually saw pokemons series who knows. :KEK:
Personally I can accept harem route in a dystopian or fantasy setting when the story is build in way that somehow justifies it without MC acting like man-whore, but that's it, even in this case harem-route would the last one in priority for me.
There are exceptions of course but not that many.
There was no attempt to deceive anyone, just state my opinion. Opinions are subjective, could be true false or inbetween. Just doing random discussion for no reason i guess.
Well i do agree there are plenty of harem games which are not 'popular' true. Also a lot of 'popular' games do have harem tag.
 
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There was no attempt to deceive anyone, just state my opinion. Opinions are subjective, could be true false or inbetween. Just doing random discussion for no reason i guess.
Well i do agree there are plenty of harem games which are not 'popular' true. Also a lot of 'popular' games do have harem tag.
Ok, I just re-read my post and I might have come of a bit aggressive, my bad, get agitated every time this whole harem discussion starts, and as you can imagine it happens all the time.

BTW forgot to add in my previous answer to your post - nope, never imagined group sex, I did not have to, I had it in reality few times (well, 3some at least), and I can tell you it's overestimated man, at least from my perspective, you literally go above and beyond trying to satisfy two girls at once))) So nothing fantastic about that, old-fashioned 1x1 is the best one.

This one I actually never understood why a lot of people are obsessed with group sex here, oh well, maybe it's just me.

Also, it's off-top, I think the thread is gonna be purged soon.
 

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Hello everyone!

This is probably the last DevLog before announcing the release date of Ch.2 Part B!

Let's look at the current status of the update.

Status of Ch.2 Part B

I'm fairly confident in the script's current state; fewer and smaller changes are likely to be required at this point, which is great!


We're getting close to the end of the rendering process, which is also great! Rendering is by far the most time-consuming. I can certainly say that the update will have more than 1000 renders... most likely in the 1200 range.
As I previously stated, the script length was already significant, and I tried (and continue to try) to keep the render count efficient... with varying degrees of success.

Nothing to say about the animations; the percentage increased because I got to edit the ones that had already been completed. This will be the last thing I finish, along with polishing the game.



Thoughts on Ch.2 Part B
What can I say about it? A lot has happened in the past few months. It's been a mental challenge for me to push this update through, but it's closer than ever!

I intend to flesh out the characters as they appear on screen. Ch.2 Part B attempts to focus more on that. What does that mean? It means that some scenes are quite dialogue-heavy. You've been warned!


Special Renders theme poll!
For those who have been waiting, we'll upload a new Special Render theme poll in the coming days! We want some variety, so the Pool Day theme, and the girls (Melinda, Sayuri and Daphne) will take a break before returning to the available options. The girls will "rest" for one cycle, while the theme will "rest" for two or three.


That's all for now.

I can't wait to show you what we've been doing for the past few months!

See you soon,

Mango
 

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What he means is that you can have sex with more than one girl, but in the end (thanks to that), you have to decide which one you're going to be with and face the consequences of that.
Ahh damnit.
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I think he should remove the harem tag or make maybe a semi-harem tag/ put it in dev notes so people know wont be a harem ending
overall good game regardless I'll still be sticking with it
 
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I believe we can all agree these games, after all, a fantasy. Yet i think there is a vast difference between a good fiction and mindless power fantasy.

Witcher is a grear example of a good fiction. You are strong yet not unbeatable. You can charm ladies yet you can’t have them all. This creates risks, weights. I think this is where the true beauty of story lies.

I have nothing against people who want harem, after all in a choice based game everyone should be able to follow the path they want. Yet personally, i like having a realism in fantasy, if that makes ever sense.
 

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There was no attempt to deceive anyone, just state my opinion. Opinions are subjective, could be true false or inbetween. Just doing random discussion for no reason i guess.
Well i do agree there are plenty of harem games which are not 'popular' true. Also a lot of 'popular' games do have harem tag.
A better argument would have been to say that most people would not want to play through multiple times. Once they play through it, they're done with it and would rather move on to a sequel or a new game entirely.
 

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A better argument would have been to say that most people would not want to play through multiple times. Once they play through it, they're done with it and would rather move on to a sequel or a new game entirely.
this concept is kind of funny to me. Because in AVN's I have no issue replaying the game ( with control skip) to play multiple saves or paths. But in normal video games I despise New Game + , for me I play it once and done unless I decided to replay a game months later. Yet I see people that like and want NG+ all the time
 
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A better argument would have been to say that most people would not want to play through multiple times. Once they play through it, they're done with it and would rather move on to a sequel or a new game entirely.
this concept is kind of funny to me. Because in AVN's I have no issue replaying the game ( with control skip) to play multiple saves or paths. But in normal video games I despise New Game + , for me I play it once and done unless I decided to replay a game months later. Yet I see people that like and want NG+ all the time
Both opinions are valid and rather on the same side of the coin, because using control skip is akin to having a mod with a gallery unlock feature - you aren't fully replaying the game. You only are able to do that because you already went through the story once and either the story for the other paths is largely the same OR you don't care about the diverging plot and just want to see the other lewd scenes. No judgement if its the latter, I do that as well. Heck, I sometimes skip the dialogue on my first playthrough... some stories are just boring and not well written.


Anyway, I am not sure how much it applies for this game specifically but yeah - if a game has entirely different dialogue/ plot, different scenes and different endings then a second playthrough is alright but most games have minimal differences apart from diverging paths for various LI's. For those, one playthrough is enough and I will just wait for someone to mod the game so I can see the lewd scenes I missed for the other LI's I wasn't able to pursue.

I can't even think of more than a handful of AV's that I was willing to even consider playing a second time to see any missed content that was locked behind other choices/ paths.

If anyone has any suggestions, I would love to know about any games they would say are almost entirely different on the second or even third playthrough (bonus points if you actually ENJOYED multiple paths and fount it to be worthwhile).

It's a lot of work for a dev to make that possible and most aren't good enough storytellers to pull it off when they try tbh.
 
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