VN Ren'Py Giant Guardians [v0.3.93] [Giant Guardians]

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NEVERMIND ignore my other post, the resources were tinies (obviously! That was me being an airhead for no reason) I think there could be two explanations as to why they never run out of resources:
1. Neutral territories are much bigger than we've been led to believe, and therefore there's always surplus of tinies that giantesses can just capture on their morning walk and sell back in Homas (like Kendra does with us). And because the neutral towns are so many that a lot of them have still not been drained of tinies just yet.

2. Or the size of neutral territories is not that big, just the birth rate is crazy high ( which seems even less plausible)

The third option could be that the devs couldn't be arsed with thinking through the logistics of supply and demand in this world

i would say its option 3 because neutral territories would run out of tinies supply as well. how many tines are required to feed one hell of overgrown biaatch.? and if 50 percent of gtss practice vore then food supply would run out in a matter of weeks. rest of big bitches love to crash poor tinies they even have arena for that.
 
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i would say its option 3 because neutral territories would run out of tinies supply as well. how many tines are required to feed one hell of overgrown biaatch.? and if 50 percent of gtss practice vore then food supply would run out in a matter of weeks. rest of big bitches love to crash poor tinies they even have arena for that.
mhmm i think so as well. But if someone really and I mean REALLY wants to cope, they could make it their headcanon that neutral territories are so massive that they never run out but they don't seem so massive because giantesses cover ground quickly cos of their size. It's a hard cope, i know :HideThePain:
 
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Know what, go off Johnjacky the Elder. Not quite sure what the Rome in this analogy is, but Homaspernia delenda est

On a more serious note, I don't think that Homaspernia should be completely destroyed, but it definitely needs reform. It seems the problem with it is more that it's ruled and shaped by a corrupt, self-serving, sadistic, hedonistic, violent,and varying degrees of messed up in the head ruling class, who in turn crafted a society and laws that served to benefit that. Because, yeah, it's a sort of free for all, but if you do break the laws, and if you do it in relation to someone of great importance, you're fucked. They'll kill you or enslave you. That group of bandits that got the death penalty because that Countess' had her servant's (or pet really) death faked to get them murder charges. All because she was a little miffed that her favorite one got a little scar.

( Yet said Countess is also completely fine with having her favorite servant/pet have his entire bone structure, appearance and memories changed permanently just to have those bandits killed instead of just having them go to prison or become slaves. And I'm going to guess that jury trials or criminal trials beyond "yeah you did it, next." probably don't exist to dispute or actually prove charges here).

I'd say that the giantess would be exempt from these laws, but even then it seems more that the laws benefit them until they don't. It's stated, when Kendra, Nyxmay, and Vai'Klis are having their definitely platonic homoerotic sexy bath fun time with the MC that they'd done something similar with a high ranking demon and nearly killed the guy. It's implied that they would've gotten into a massive amount of trouble if they actually did, and got lucky that they were able to heal the guy and him seemingly enjoying the experience enough to not say anything.

Anyways, we also meet plenty of basically normal(As in not any of the above listed things on the near regular, I probably could've explained ) people Homaspernia. That demon who had his wife and daughter killed seems to have just been a guy other than having his family destroyed and getting to take part in the "Choose How Those Who Wronged You Are Executed" ceremony, the Giantess Succubus( I can't remember her name, or the demon dad's name right now) that also took part in that seems fairly normal. Most of Vai'Klis' customers are also fairly normal, they just come in to get help with what are basically health and hygiene problems. The only one that I can really think of being an exception is that one ghost trying to find a man, who even then gets a talking down to by Vai'Klis. Hell, other than what her friends do on the regular, Vai'Klis is fairly normal too( And Kendra and Nyxmay also are pretty normal around her too, and they don't seem to mind either). Honestly it seems more the problem for these normal people is that they are trapped there, forced to be there, or forced to embrace or participate in Homaspernia's way of life, with all it's corrupt, sadistic glory. The undead exist in plentiful quantities there not only because of the dark magic and people who make undead, but also because until recently it was the only place where they wouldn't be killed by a whole ass army dedicated to killing them. And despite how few actual supports exist for the undead in Homaspernia, it's still one of the few places were they won't completely waste away in like a few months. And vampires and presumbly other races are heading there in droves from the other kingdoms because they can't make a living anywhere else.

Anyways, this was to much to say that to me at least, the problem with Homaspernia comes from its society, ruling class, and the culture that perpetuates it all. Lots of reform needs to take place to fix it, but lets not go completely towards mass destruction here. Probably could've worded everything here better, but I decided to type this damn essay off the cuff, so who knows. Also I don't know what to do with the magic corruption of the land and everything in it, I'm not sure how to deal with Homaspernia also being that world's largest superfund site.

On a completely unrelated note, you ever wonder about Vai'Klis and her whole deal. Like, she genuinely one of the more kind and gentle giantesses in the game, she refuses to sell deadly potions and poisons too, and will sometimes just give potions to her clients if they need them. And if you play your cards right as the MC, her route is one of the sweeter ones in my opinion. Even how her death is relayed to us, she had powerful soldiers sent to kill her for the crime of getting too close to Kendra. And her remaining memories come back to her as nightmares, it's all just tragic, and she goes on nonetheless.

But still, I don't know, feel like there's going to be more revealed about her and her life before she died, and the reason she was killed. Because she knows still seems to know about all those deadly potions and things of that sort, even if she doesn't make them, or make them anymore. And she barely remembers anything about her life before, and well her friends support her in a lot of things, they don't do a lot to help her in piecing back together what she has left of her memories. They really seem more focused in keeping her grounded in the present, and keeping her grounded as herself, which I get with the condition she has, but still find it curious that they aren't really doing all that much to help on the memory front, other than like being sleep aids and helping her stay herself instead a discordant ghost. Also the story about her death is told to us by Kendra who we know both despises her mother and doesn't completely accept that Vai is dead, and Maryen only confirms that their mother sent the soldiers, but not much else about the story.

IDK, I'm probably reading to much into this, and honestly Vai'Klis is one of my favorite characters and routes in this game, but like I feel we're eventually going to be revealed that she also got up to some real heinous or dangerous shit in the past (Like arguably a majority of the Homaspernian giantess population), but there was something about what she did, along with her being so close to Kendra that lead to soldiers being sent to put her down. I just feel it being Mother Dearest not liking Kendra's friends and choosing the most nuclear option possible seems too convenient. Alternatively, I could be reading to much into it to the point of typing a couple paragraphs about it instead of doing something actually productive. IDK, I just want her updated soon. Anyways, I typed to much, sorry everyone.
Vai'klis is a super interesting character, aside from the fact that she's a little too dead and has a bunch of mean friends (I feel unsafe).

But seriously, we're missing so much of her story. And I don't think Kendra is being 100% forthcoming with it either. I just can't imagine Vai'klis doing anything to deserve having soldiers being sent after her, or even being friends with ppl as twisted as Kendra and Nyxmay. Was she even enough of a threat to have guards sent after her or was Kendra's mom just overreacting and calling a bulldozer to run down an anthill? Was she as nice as she is now before her death, or did her personality change drastically (we know for a fact that she was nice enough to leave her hometown due to excessive misandry)

So many questions and potential. I do hope they handle it well and don't give answers that don't fit.
 

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I find it quite hilarious to what an extent people here seriously discus the world building for a fetish porn game with a slightly above average writing.
If we don't count Felarya which is only centered around vore this is literally the only fiction that got a long story and centered around giantess and monstergirl fetish. And it got a good writing for a porn game if you ask me, devs are not native speakers nor do I so writing is fine on my opinion but it could be improved by actually giving a logic behind how "magic" works instead of just saying "Yeah she just remodeled your body structure out of thin air yeah we'll not explain it in anyway. ".

So yeah giantess and monstergirl loving folk will be debating about this because there is literally no other like this one I know of.
 
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its funny when there's largest giantess population there and all of them are cruel (vore,crush) that there is still regular size population. one would expect that resources will run out very quickly based on giantess population's "hobbies" .
1. Not all giantesses in Homa are cruel, even among the characters we interact with there's Makla, that one succubus, and Vai'Klis
2. It's said over and over again that many species (demons, vampires etc.) prefer to live in Homa due to its climate and relatively lax regulations
3. Normal Homa citizens all go about their lives, they're not getting genocided. The people that do die are usually people we see start shit first (murderers, thieves...)
 

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If we don't count Felarya which is only centered around vore this is literally the only fiction that got a long story and centered around giantess and monstergirl
fetish .And it got a good writing for a porn game if you ask me, devs are not native speakers nor do I so writing is fine on my opinion but it could be improved by actually giving a logic behind how "magic" works instead of just saying "Yeah she just remodeled your body structure out of thin air yeah we'll not explain it in anyway. ".

So yeah giantess and monstergirl loving folk will be debating about this because there is literally no other like this one I know of.
I didn't expect to see a mention of monstergirl in this thread.
 

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But seriously, we're missing so much of her story. And I don't think Kendra is being 100% forthcoming with it either. I just can't imagine Vai'klis doing anything to deserve having soldiers being sent after her, or even being friends with ppl as twisted as Kendra and Nyxmay. Was she even enough of a threat to have guards sent after her or was Kendra's mom just overreacting and calling a bulldozer to run down an anthill? Was she as nice as she is now before her death, or did her personality change drastically (we know for a fact that she was nice enough to leave her hometown due to excessive misandry)
Seems obvious why she got her killed:

Vai'Klis was one of Kendra's closest friends and she got her to look at Homa and its inhabitants in a different light. Her mom was a zealot that looked down on Demonic creatures hence why she even had the Purification army in the first place, and having one of said species be a friend to her daughter probably drove her nuts. You give way too much credit to Kendra's mom, lol. Even Eliette in her non-zealot route thought the purification army was too much, and Maryen was the one who abolished them in the first place.
 
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Vai'klis is a super interesting character, aside from the fact that she's a little too dead and has a bunch of mean friends (I feel unsafe).

But seriously, we're missing so much of her story. And I don't think Kendra is being 100% forthcoming with it either. I just can't imagine Vai'klis doing anything to deserve having soldiers being sent after her, or even being friends with ppl as twisted as Kendra and Nyxmay. Was she even enough of a threat to have guards sent after her or was Kendra's mom just overreacting and calling a bulldozer to run down an anthill? Was she as nice as she is now before her death, or did her personality change drastically (we know for a fact that she was nice enough to leave her hometown due to excessive misandry)

So many questions and potential. I do hope they handle it well and don't give answers that don't fit.
Yeah, I'm hoping that they handle it well too. I think she has one of the more interesting stories out of the whole cast of characters that we have so far.

And there's so many different parts to it as well. How did someone seemingly so nice, good, and completely disinterested all that "unsafe" stuff become such good friends with people like Kendra and Nyxmay. And conversely, Kendra and Nyxmay are both so devoted to Vai'Klis that they stick around, help her, keep her included. They're so devoted to the point that the wouldn't let her move on to the other side, even if that left her possibly a hollow shell of herself. For all we know, the Vai'Klis that we know is just based off of whatever fragments of her soul they were able to ligate back to her body. Maybe the real Vai'Klis is exactly like the one we know, what we see is the real one. Or maybe the real Vai'Klis is trapped in those fragmented and forgotten memories, and all those nightmares are simply attempts for her to try to get back out again. Or maybe the real Vai'Klis is gone, and what we see is whatever Nyxmay was able to piece back together in the aftermath of her death.

And there's also the fact that she's fine with the whole being undead now part. Kendra is the one who pushes that she's still just a drow and friend, she can't seem to acknowledge that Vai is undead now, even if she now does all these different things to help her without complaint because she's undead. But otherwise, we don't see Vai'Klis dance around the fact she's technically dead, she's quite open about it, the problems with it, and honestly, it seems like she likes it when others acknowledge her as undead too. The main problem she has with being undead is that she's forgotten so much, and that she can still forget so much more. That she knows how to do all these things, but can't place where or why she learned them in the first place. She knows who she is, but can't tell her own life story, and she has that fear that one she might forget that too, and become like all those others ghosts or ghouls we see. That she might be another undead husk one day.

And I think with her route, it looks like if you are playing right, the story is going to progress with MC helping her with all sort of things, from potionmaking, to emotional support, to being warm, to actually remembering herself. I'm going to guess that over time we're going to reveal more memories of her, and start to learn more. We already know that there's going to be more Vai'Klis story, what with Kendra having to get that crystal for her. But what will be revealed about her in future, who knows.

I'm not sure if I've seen anyone make this point, but before the MC arrives it's stated that Vai'Klis doesn't maintain her material form often when she's alone, she's basically a ghost in her own home when she doesn't have guests or things to do. But with the MC around, she's been material the whole time I believe. And she's starting to feel a bit warmer too. And she's remembering things about herself. Is this because the MC is a special pure human with a pure soul? Or was simply having someone around to constantly, to keep her present and grounded, to give her that warmth, constantly all that was needed? Is she getting seemingly more alive because of the MC, and all his special humaness? Or if Kendra or Nyxmay, or anyone else for that matter, just decided to move in and stay, would she have gotten to the same point as we've seen with the MC?

Anyways, final part of my rambling, Vai'Klis' death was also integral for the story we've seen at this point. The whole Heaven Kingdom( I don't remember how to spell its name) continuing to fall out of the sky, and the war that saw half of it fall before. Probably wouldn't have happened if Kendra's mother didn't send those guards. Kendra's whole story right now, also way different if Vai'Klis was just chilling instead of literally chilling. Maryen being the guardian and all her issues, wouldn't be happening, good chance that their mother would still be alive and guardian if didn't send those soldiers. But at the same time, those armies dedicated to hunting the undead would still be active. The entire story as we know it hinges on Vai'Klis dying and that being the tipping point to finally push Kendra off the edge completely towards Homaspernia and its plans. And all this, you still have to wonder why their mother sent those guards in the first place. Maybe it was an overreaction, maybe Vai'Klis was actually a threat and we'll learn this through her route, or maybe it was something else completely. We know that Kendra doesn't like to acknowledge that Vai'Klis is dead. Could be something simple and stupid like her being afraid of ghosts, and Vai'klis=Basically ghost is to much for her to wrap her head around. Or it could be that she's guilty, maybe it was something Kendra said or did that tipped her Mother off about Vai'Klis, and lead to her being killed for whatever reason. Who knows.

Once again, I am sorry for typing an essay in response to you.
 

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I find it quite hilarious to what an extent people here seriously discus the world building for a fetish porn game with a slightly above average writing.
Well what else are we supposed to do? There's not much else out there like this. The developers have actually done some work to add in a decent amount of worldbuilding and lore. So why not seriously discuss the worldbuilding?
 

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On Homasparnia info (on the first page of this thread) its said Homasparnia got the largest giantess population on the continent on top of that the terrain is literally scorched earth plus the Homasparnia is not just going to take it its gonna fight back I believe it would be almost impossible to destroy Homasparnia without a sluggish and brutal campain its good to note even if Timfalme is stronger than other kingdoms there is no large gap of strengt in between. And just like what I said before invading Homa would do no positive the people would still hold the same belief and values as before and under new rule things would go back to normal yet again like nothing was changed to begin with.
It's not just Homa, it's also foreign countries outside the continent like Kyoima (they have an alliance brokered by Yakuu with Homa) and the Sea Kingdoms and Synanla that are already annoyed with Lycalis and would love to nip their overfishing issue in the bud. It's basically shooting a powder keg when the peace is already fragile.
 
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I find it quite hilarious to what an extent people here seriously discus the world building for a fetish porn game with a slightly above average writing.
I think maybe get a better sense of humor

I too think Lord of the Rings is mediocre, but I don't get the tickles every time I see LOTR fans circle-jerking each other online with their theories. What is funny about it exactly? And I certainly don't go around saying it on their forums... Their likes are different to mine.

Some opinions are better kept to yourself. Like my opinion is that you're a pretentious m-fer who thinks others are silly for spending time on this, when you're exactly the same - an idle dude with too much free time, except you seek attention by going "haha look at these bozos taking a porn game so seriously LOL" because you've got nothing interesting to say. No theories and no complaints. That's my opinion, but maybe I should've kept it to myself... see where I'm going with this? No? I tried.
 
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Yeah, I'm hoping that they handle it well too. I think she has one of the more interesting stories out of the whole cast of characters that we have so far.

And there's so many different parts to it as well. How did someone seemingly so nice, good, and completely disinterested all that "unsafe" stuff become such good friends with people like Kendra and Nyxmay. And conversely, Kendra and Nyxmay are both so devoted to Vai'Klis that they stick around, help her, keep her included. They're so devoted to the point that the wouldn't let her move on to the other side, even if that left her possibly a hollow shell of herself. For all we know, the Vai'Klis that we know is just based off of whatever fragments of her soul they were able to ligate back to her body. Maybe the real Vai'Klis is exactly like the one we know, what we see is the real one. Or maybe the real Vai'Klis is trapped in those fragmented and forgotten memories, and all those nightmares are simply attempts for her to try to get back out again. Or maybe the real Vai'Klis is gone, and what we see is whatever Nyxmay was able to piece back together in the aftermath of her death.

And there's also the fact that she's fine with the whole being undead now part. Kendra is the one who pushes that she's still just a drow and friend, she can't seem to acknowledge that Vai is undead now, even if she now does all these different things to help her without complaint because she's undead. But otherwise, we don't see Vai'Klis dance around the fact she's technically dead, she's quite open about it, the problems with it, and honestly, it seems like she likes it when others acknowledge her as undead too. The main problem she has with being undead is that she's forgotten so much, and that she can still forget so much more. That she knows how to do all these things, but can't place where or why she learned them in the first place. She knows who she is, but can't tell her own life story, and she has that fear that one she might forget that too, and become like all those others ghosts or ghouls we see. That she might be another undead husk one day.

And I think with her route, it looks like if you are playing right, the story is going to progress with MC helping her with all sort of things, from potionmaking, to emotional support, to being warm, to actually remembering herself. I'm going to guess that over time we're going to reveal more memories of her, and start to learn more. We already know that there's going to be more Vai'Klis story, what with Kendra having to get that crystal for her. But what will be revealed about her in future, who knows.

I'm not sure if I've seen anyone make this point, but before the MC arrives it's stated that Vai'Klis doesn't maintain her material form often when she's alone, she's basically a ghost in her own home when she doesn't have guests or things to do. But with the MC around, she's been material the whole time I believe. And she's starting to feel a bit warmer too. And she's remembering things about herself. Is this because the MC is a special pure human with a pure soul? Or was simply having someone around to constantly, to keep her present and grounded, to give her that warmth, constantly all that was needed? Is she getting seemingly more alive because of the MC, and all his special humaness? Or if Kendra or Nyxmay, or anyone else for that matter, just decided to move in and stay, would she have gotten to the same point as we've seen with the MC?

Anyways, final part of my rambling, Vai'Klis' death was also integral for the story we've seen at this point. The whole Heaven Kingdom( I don't remember how to spell its name) continuing to fall out of the sky, and the war that saw half of it fall before. Probably wouldn't have happened if Kendra's mother didn't send those guards. Kendra's whole story right now, also way different if Vai'Klis was just chilling instead of literally chilling. Maryen being the guardian and all her issues, wouldn't be happening, good chance that their mother would still be alive and guardian if didn't send those soldiers. But at the same time, those armies dedicated to hunting the undead would still be active. The entire story as we know it hinges on Vai'Klis dying and that being the tipping point to finally push Kendra off the edge completely towards Homaspernia and its plans. And all this, you still have to wonder why their mother sent those guards in the first place. Maybe it was an overreaction, maybe Vai'Klis was actually a threat and we'll learn this through her route, or maybe it was something else completely. We know that Kendra doesn't like to acknowledge that Vai'Klis is dead. Could be something simple and stupid like her being afraid of ghosts, and Vai'klis=Basically ghost is to much for her to wrap her head around. Or it could be that she's guilty, maybe it was something Kendra said or did that tipped her Mother off about Vai'Klis, and lead to her being killed for whatever reason. Who knows.

Once again, I am sorry for typing an essay in response to you.
Wow, I didn't register the part about "shapeshifting as a misty ghost when no one's around" in my playthrough... That opens up a bunch of questions. In all the guest stories, it's mentioned a few times that giantesses cannot shrink no matter what! Does it mean that Vai'Klis might be the exception? With her shapeshifting, she could possibly shrink, access or enter other places through a tiny draft, or even shrink down to MC's size! That would be cool as heck.

And yeah it's truly a mystery what's causing her to get back her memories, but good news is... Maybe MC and Vai'Klis get back their memories together! They'll help each other be whole again and be bffs! Ain't that wholesome :love:
 
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Wow, I didn't register the part about "shapeshifting as a misty ghost when no one's around" in my playthrough... That opens up a bunch of questions. In all the guest stories, it's mentioned a few times that giantesses cannot shrink no matter what! Does it mean that Vai'Klis might be the exception? With her shapeshifting, she could possibly shrink, access or enter other places through a tiny draft, or even shrink down to MC's size! That would be cool as heck.

And yeah it's truly a mystery what's causing her to get back her memories, but good news is... Maybe MC and Vai'Klis get back their memories together! They'll help each other be whole again and be bffs! Ain't that wholesome :love:
I love a good wholesome story every once in a while, and I really think that her route will probably be more about trying to remember or just remembering well living her “life” with the MC. I’m not sure how or if the MC will get his back. Anyways, to throw some rain on the wholesome parade though, we don’t know much about either’s backstory, and the first real memory she got back was about her brother and his death on account of her people’s death by snu snu policy. Meanwhile MC has cages and a possessive giantess in a void to look forward to remembering. So I think it might be a rocky emotional road to the wholesome.

Also, honestly I thought with the ghost thing it was kind of move through walls, shapeless form that exists kind of thing rather than a shapeshifting. We haven’t actually seen her at all in her non-material form, just coming out of it. I don’t think she’ll be able to shrink, I don’t think the developers are interested in pursuing that kind of thing. But your idea for it is interesting.
 

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1. Not all giantesses in Homa are cruel, even among the characters we interact with there's Makla, that one succubus, and Vai'Klis
2. It's said over and over again that many species (demons, vampires etc.) prefer to live in Homa due to its climate and relatively lax regulations
3. Normal Homa citizens all go about their lives, they're not getting genocided. The people that do die are usually people we see start shit first (murderers, thieves...)
what if val and makla are like 1 percent of population of GTSs in homaspermia? wasnt there couple of mentions that homa is home of violence and cruelty? what if most of GTSs are vore fans and they need their dietary requirements met? I understand that normal homa citizens are mostly criminals and savages . when kendra or yakuu were visiting GTSs party there were some quick "snacks" available or when they had sex the one minigts I dont remember her name stated since when we spared lifes of our toys during sex Kendra? just saying that survival ratio in homa is pretty low . I always wondered with such fast and wast expiration of tinies there is still not lack of supply?!
 
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I understand that normal homa citizens are mostly criminals and savages
according to whom? Most homa citizens seem to be in favor of punishing criminals, otherwise why would they cheer during executions and other events? That could easily be them if they were all lawbreakers.

Homa according to the wolf slave at Yakuu's place was way more anarchic before her arrival, Homa having laws in the first place is something of a novelty, whereas it was law of the jungle before. So if anything it shows not everyone wants chaos in the place, otherwise most of the population would just move to neutral areas/riot against the leadership.

what if val and makla are like 1 percent of population of GTSs in homaspermia?
Sadistic GTS: Yakuu, Kendra, Nyx, Trish
Kind/Reasonable GTS: Makla, Vai, Pyeka, Eliz

Even anecdotally, it seems like a 50/50 split.
 
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