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We know, repeating that fact won't change it. You should be used to it by now, with luck we get every 2nd or third update, so new update every 4-6 Weeks.The new update still hasn't been uploaded anywhere
I beg to differ. It's not like there's a particular race that's all bad. We've seen a couple of really decent demons, so it still doesn't justify racism. It's just that there's slavery, casual tiny homicide, people being born and raised in slavery all around (and all legal too). All because the place is run by sado-masochists. You can see them all if you go to the party with Pyeka. Like seriously who thought that place is a good idea.
I am pretty sure only one that is suffering from Homasparnian system is "tinies" because giantesses clearly got quite advantages of living in Homasparnia both Nyxmay and Kendra says this out and loud by Nyxmay saying not only Homasparnia is her favorite on the continent thanks to fact that she can do whatever she wants to but also since "People are honest with their feelings and you know what to expect from them once you read them.". And we all know Kendra is quite a hendoist even on her redemption path so its no wonder why she loves the kingdom with less rules towards giants.(Kendra literraly makes a living by masturbating in colessium and crushing and capturing tinies in netural territory.)
Probably many of the strong and influential giantesses also just like this and in this enviorment what could tinies do? Revolt? They'd get crushed before even managing to gather a audience. Tinies are under complete mercy of giantesses and giantesses are quite satisfied with the current flow of the country so even if the Homasparnia somewhat gets crushed -which is probably not even possible if the leader knows what she is doing thanks to the fact that Homasparnia got the largest giantess population on the continent- the "majority" of the people are still holding the same values against the tinies and things would return back to the "normal" by one or two decades.
It would take a long trial of normalization under a strong and capable leader who could silence the other giantess disagreeing with normalization to fix the country but this is also not possible since other influential countesses or mistresses would jump anyone who wants change before they could even climb the ranks of the goverment office.
It's a good idea because it keeps those kinds of giants out of the other nations, like why would sado-masochists live in a place where their innate cruelty is illegal when there's another nation just over there where it isn't, essentially.
I'm saying the same thing. But I'd like to add what I meant by the giantesses are depressed is this - Kendra and Nyxmay are like the onlyfans girls in today's world. Sure they are independent and "free" and get to indulge in all sorts of depravity, but they don't have anything meaningful like relationships, families, etc and you can see how it's eating them up on the inside. Kendra for example, she acts like she's so happy and all, but you can tell it really eats at her how her relationship with her sister is tainted, much like the onlyfans girls in today's world. And I didn't play too far into Nyxmay's route, but even I can tell that girl is coping... Hard. She gets no relief unless it's through other's suffering, and that's just sad. Those girls are depressed af and in complete denial, no matter what they have you believing. People like Eliette are the excellent example of hedonists who are independent and also pretty happy in life. Kendra is a terrible example of that.
Homaspernia is worse for tinies, but it's still not a happy place for giantesses either. And ur right that there's no solution aside from the big old nuke. I never said the solution would be realistic or even possible
EDIT: I meant SHEINA not Elliette lol
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That's good and all before you think of the loads of tinies that get trapped or enslaved there, from neutral territories and who NEVER get the chance to change their fate. You could easily be one of them, and I can assure you that it wouldn't seem like such a good idea when you'd be the one inside a cage.
Again people are trying to go off the of the (heavily "western" influenced) morality of IRL. This is a different world witha different set of standards, even the "nice" kingdoms tinies get crushed all the time, but the giantess get over it. Not to mention our law of the jungle that goes as being normal in two of the other kingdoms.
Tinies simply aren't "equal" and are second class by sheer size difference/practicality even in the "good" kingdoms. They try to ensure safety and something approaching respect in a couple places, but its not like MC or any other human/etc being crushed in an accident will be treated with the severity of negligent manslaughter would be IRL in most places.
These are largely pre-enlightenment feudal/tribal socieites in the first place. They aren't going to have modern notions of equality. None of the kingdoms do (at least that we've seen thus far? Who knows maybe the sea kingdom will have some stright tiny protection laws for its tiny citzens?We won't know till 2029 on that anyhow). Plus, again on top of that we have the dyanmics of beings that are anywhere from multiple to when guardians grow larger, hundreds of times the size of humans. It's just not practical at a base level for things to be something appreaching a real world notion of morality. Tinies are effectively peasants or freemen with giantess as nobility, even the servants by comparison. Only if a tiny that is really well liked by a powerful giantess is their death of any consequence. No giantess is going to be held to any real severe account for an "accidental" death of a random tiny of no status for example.
Piling on Homa, but ignoring the "law of the jungle" that goes on in two of the other kingdoms is a bit hypocritical tbh. Both are messed up, its just that Homa is either a Lawful/Chaotic Evil depending on the giantess, vs the others being Chaotic Neutral or True Neutral. I mean angry bee wouldn't have an issue going on a rampage in the neutral territories if she found out what just happened...she loves crushing buildings after all.
Tinies simply aren't "equal" and are second class by sheer size difference/practicality even in the "good" kingdoms. They try to ensure safety and something approaching respect in a couple places, but its not like MC or any other human/etc being crushed in an accident will be treated with the severity of negligent manslaughter would be IRL in most places.
These are largely pre-enlightenment feudal/tribal socieites in the first place. They aren't going to have modern notions of equality. None of the kingdoms do (at least that we've seen thus far? Who knows maybe the sea kingdom will have some stright tiny protection laws for its tiny citzens?
Piling on Homa, but ignoring the "law of the jungle" that goes on in two of the other kingdoms is a bit hypocritical tbh. Both are messed up, its just that Homa is either a Lawful/Chaotic Evil depending on the giantess, vs the others being Chaotic Neutral or True Neutral. I mean angry bee wouldn't have an issue going on a rampage in the neutral territories if she found out what just happened...she loves crushing buildings after all.
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No one, literally NO ONE here is talking about accidental deaths. We're talking about full on intentional slavery and murder which is just casually overlooked, and compared to Keisimia or even Lycalis, tinies are compared terribly.
And if you think I am going by 'enlightenment' values, you're off your rocker. Because I'm suggesting the entire genocide of all inhabitants of Homa. I'm not going by anyone's values but my own. It's nice to hear other people's opinions, but at least make sure we're talking of the same thing here.
Again, you can't just "genocide" Homa without also creating an absolutely catastrophic situation in the continent where entire populations of the "good guys" in your story are also exterminated. Homa is not just gonna sit back and take it, on top of that they have alliances from outside the continent.
Exactly. Most of the people in this thread sympathize with the "slaves" that we often see in Homa are very funny, when it's explicitly mentioned multiple times that slavery in Homa is not a caste system, it's more of a "if you commit a crime severe enough, you will lose all your rights" which while I think is draconic, there is a moral justification for it. I would definitely say Homa is more Lawful Evil than Chaotic, I feel like Chaotic would imply there are absolutely no laws in place, but there are in Homa they just favor giantesses and are a bit undermined by rampant corruption.
I would say it's infinitely more Lawful than a place like Veridice where you can get eaten up by one of the Guardians' vaginas and no one bats an eye
. While Kendra had to at least split the pay with a guard to get him to look the other way.
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I wasn't either. I was trying to be a bit less direct and confrontational about it to NOT be a dick about it by not quoting or even indirectly insulting anyone. But rather commenting because now for the nTH time people are whining about how horrible this FANTASY world is in this thread.
I wasn't even calling you out but you somehow took it that way. Sure, let's assume the guy who didn't even quote you (and by YOUR own admission isn't even talking about the same thing) is talking about you and get mad.
The accidental death thing is pointing out the fact that humans are by default REGARDLESS of the kingdom, valued LESS. How hard is that for you to understand? Homa isn't generically the big bad and everywhere else somehow "good." They're ALL bad. That's why the tinies all generally distrust/fear the giantess to varying levels, because merely being around them is dangerous. Even if some of the guardians are "good" they aren't faultless.
But about that... those same tinies that are just as if not even more bloodthirsty than the giantess are? Did you even pay attention to the whole incident with the war breaking out? It wasn't giantess who did that, even in this world where the POOR TINIES I should uniformly feel bad for? To avoid breaking the rules by going too off topic...
The Aztecs waged literal wars to capture slaves of the other tribes to do human sacrifice a mere 500 years ago, and almost every society on the planet was doing slavery in one form or another until like 150-200 years ago. So yeah, I will use the term "enlightenment values" as it's accurate both historically as a contrast to those societies. I wasn't even talking about whatever nonsense you were going on about.
muchotexto aside, and more jokingly in tone now.... Homa is arguably better than Lycalis. At least you won't be eaten or stomped on if you aren't an idiot because some cat got hungry or horny.
Even snek appreciates you if you're a polite tiny.
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We agree on everything, but this turned into a pissing match because NO ONE argued the points that you are debating. Everyone's in agreement about this - that tinies are treated inferior to giantesses in all places.I wasn't either. I was trying to be a bit less direct and confrontational about it to NOT be a dick about it by not quoting or even indirectly insulting anyone. But rather commenting because now for the nTH time people are whining about how horrible this FANTASY world is in this thread.
I wasn't even calling you out but you somehow took it that way. Sure, let's assume the guy who didn't even quote you (and by YOUR own admission isn't even talking about the same thing) is talking about you and get mad.
The accidental death thing is pointing out the fact that humans are by default REGARDLESS of the kingdom, valued LESS. How hard is that for you to understand? Homa isn't generically the big bad and everywhere else somehow "good." They're ALL bad. That's why the tinies all generally distrust/fear the giantess to varying levels, because merely being around them is dangerous. Even if some of the guardians are "good" they aren't faultless.
But about that... those same tinies that are just as if not even more bloodthirsty than the giantess are? Did you even pay attention to the whole incident with the war breaking out? It wasn't giantess who did that, even in this world where the POOR TINIES I should uniformly feel bad for? To avoid breaking the rules by going too off topic...
The Aztecs waged literal wars to capture slaves of the other tribes to do human sacrifice a mere 500 years ago, and almost every society on the planet was doing slavery in one form or another until like 150-200 years ago. So yeah, I will use the term "enlightenment values" as it's accurate both historically as a contrast to those societies. I wasn't even talking about whatever nonsense you were going on about.
muchotexto aside, and more jokingly in tone now.... Homa is arguably better than Lycalis. At least you won't be eaten or stomped on if you aren't an idiot because some cat got hungry or horny.
That being said, the point was that Homa is the worst because all these horrible things are legal and pretty much a business that the entire kingdom relies on. Am I being clear?
I did pay attention to the Lycalis/Viradice conflict, and yes it did piss me off. Everyone's behavior, especially the tinies' was ridiculous. But that is not the point here.
The point is that me and the entire board of directors were only talking about how Homa is "worse". Because it is than all places in the world. Not whether if all places are good or bad. Or if anti-slavery is an enlightenment concept.
You have no retort to that argument aside from "Well, slavery was something all civilizations did. Also, tinies are just as bad of people as giantesses. "
You are right, but that's common knowledge and literally NO ONE is debating that. Like bro why are you trying to convince someone the sky is blue when the point of discussion was why the apple fell? WE KNOW THE SKY IS BLUE.
And as for taking it personally even though you didn't quote or directly insult me, that didn't happen. It's just perceived tone. My language looks harsher than it is, because it's through text. I didn't mean to sound rude, but I was annoyed that we're not even discussing the same thing and still you replied to my post lol
You are the one who replied to me in the first place when I wasn't even talking to you???
My point is the discussion about how terrible Homa/etc is has been rehashed over an over again, and I was making a comment about it chiming in. That was the core of it. Like, every few months tops it gets brought up again. It's le dead horse of the thread that has been reshased numerous times by now. Maybe you're new to the thread? Like legit not shit talking. I'm only on here in few day spurts every few weeks or so, so idk if you're new to this game or what
As to that discussion...
I even stated, as did Morally Lucky, Homa is arguably "less bad" than Lycalice (as an example) if you aren't a criminal and/or a moron. So apparently you're not even bothering to read the part of my post that wasn't even put in a spoiler, since you completely didn't even acknowledge I said something other than what you're claiming I did?
My point in regards to it is that they are ALL BAD to varying degrees. My OTHER point which you originally derided for some reason about accidental deaths was to contextualize how ALL of them seemingly would treat giantess killing tinies. They ALL value them less than giantess. Homa is at least transparent and not hypocrites about it. None of them actually would treat it with the seriousness that such a thing would be IRL, so the reactions about Homa are a bit silly IMO.
You can bet that in Homa, a giantess killing a tiny who is deemed "important" will be treated a lot more severely than in some of the other kingdoms. Is that because they are cruel? No they just make it absundantly clear that rules/order is to be followed.
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The point that they are ALL BAD doesn't need to be discussed because it's common knowledge. I didn't deride it for some reason, I derided it because that's a mute point. Like no shit sherlock. Everyone's aware this entire world is bad for tinies, like that wasn't even a debate. The debate was whether Homa is worse than other kingdoms, you shared the opinion that Lycalis in some ways is worse and I RESPECT that. I'd happily debate that with you. What I don't understand what's the point of saying "Um, actually ALL kingdoms are bad for tinies, not just Homas." We know that. Like why are you stating the obvious. I just don't understand that. Like sure, even though debates about Homasparnia and the conflict in Lycalis/Viridice has been discussed a million times, why are those discussions silly just because "all kingdoms are bad". Certain kingdoms are worse than others, and that will always be a point of debate.You are the one who replied to me in the first place when I wasn't even talking to you???
My point is the discussion about how terrible Homa/etc is has been rehashed over an over again, and I was making a comment about it chiming in. That was the core of it. Like, every few months tops it gets brought up again. It's le dead horse of the thread that has been reshased numerous times by now. Maybe you're new to the thread? Like legit not shit talking. I'm only on here in few day spurts every few weeks or so, so idk if you're new to this game or what
As to that discussion...
I even stated, as did Morally Lucky, Homa is arguably "less bad" than Lycalice (as an example) if you aren't a criminal and/or a moron. So apparently you're not even bothering to read the part of my post that wasn't even put in a spoiler, since you completely didn't even acknowledge I said something other than what you're claiming I did?
My point in regards to it is that they are ALL BAD to varying degrees. My OTHER point which you originally derided for some reason about accidental deaths was to contextualize how ALL of them seemingly would treat giantess killing tinies. They ALL value them less than giantess. Homa is at least transparent and not hypocrites about it. None of them actually would treat it with the seriousness that such a thing would be IRL, so the reactions about Homa are a bit silly IMO.
You can bet that in Homa, a giantess killing a tiny who is deemed "important" will be treated a lot more severely than in some of the other kingdoms. Is that because they are cruel? No they just make it absundantly clear that rules/order is to be followed.
And the thing is you're looking down at the average viewer, like they lack so much media literacy that they'll be comparing everything to 'enlightenment' values of today's world. But that's not what I see here. I see varying opinions, but none of them I see comparing everything to some golden standard of morality. Saying "slavery is bad" is not applying fooking renaissance to the giant world. It is just me stating my opinion that it is bad because there are many kingdoms that actively discourage shit like that. Like why are we even debating this useless thing?
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Ngl, you're 100% right. <insert doc-ock I miscalculated gif here>You are the one who replied to me in the first place when I wasn't even talking to you???
But seriously, I probably sounded more rude than I intended dude. I can't be arsed to use emojis to make my text look friendlier
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Was this part with Margarita really the best move? I like her a lot too but it's only been, like two weeks since the start of the game chronologically I think. Where do you go from here?