- May 8, 2017
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- Oct 28, 2016
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Some people are threatening to pull the plug on their support. But on the other hand, he might win a lot more patrons this way. Some people would pay the game if they can't get it pirated.
- May 3, 2017
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without piracy Big Brother wouldn't have gotten as big as it was (and idk about the rest of you but Big Brother was unplayable without mods from F95zone, the game was an unending grind)... Dark Sliver game is sort of good but for english speaking it wasn't understandable... if he wants to waste his money behind trying to fight piracy they let him, but its a waste of time unless you got Denuvo....
honestly i'm not really interested in his new game, but i do wish him well... its only a matter of time till Patreon change their rules again and kick all adult video games off their platform... on top of that he is going to use an online system... XDXDXD
P.S. alot of ppl use their incognito web browsers and VPNs to watch porn (normal legal porn) even tho nothing is wrong with it ppl don't want other ppl to know what they're looking at, i personally love black MILFs and raceplay but i don't want other ppl knowing about that cause they may call me racist and i may lose my job...
honestly i'm not really interested in his new game, but i do wish him well... its only a matter of time till Patreon change their rules again and kick all adult video games off their platform... on top of that he is going to use an online system... XDXDXD
P.S. alot of ppl use their incognito web browsers and VPNs to watch porn (normal legal porn) even tho nothing is wrong with it ppl don't want other ppl to know what they're looking at, i personally love black MILFs and raceplay but i don't want other ppl knowing about that cause they may call me racist and i may lose my job...
- Jun 2, 2017
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No it doesnt.he has confirmed it.he had to focus on blovking off the people who made his previous game known and bearable with mods
- Apr 5, 2017
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Vast majority of pirates won't pay if they are cut off, they'll just skip. Meanwhile, piracy is proven to generate legit consumers.
This topic has been researched and probed over and over, and conclusion is the same every time - positive effects of piracy exist and can be measured, negative effects are impossible to prove and purely theoretical.
- Oct 28, 2016
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That's a lie from people who don't want to pay for content. I'm a patron of certain artists because I can't find their content elsewhere. But if the content was pirated, I wouldn't pay them. The "piracy brings traffic" lie falls apart when the dev offers a demo or free version. If the game is good and I can't find it pirated, I'll buy it. And a lot of people would do the same. It's just the way it is.
You are referring to completed products in where the consumer doesn't have the chance to test it before buying it. With patron games, you have that possibility, it's called free version or demo.
But we'll see what happens. To me, DS's move will bring him more patrons.
IF DS hasn't learn his lesson about wasting time on DRMs and piracy, i'm afraid he hasn't learn his lessons about the game writing either...
- Jun 9, 2017
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imo achievment stuff for patrons is smart, that way patrons won't feel cheated and "pirates" can play the game. He's not fighting piracy.. he's looking for a way to make it worth being a patron, if you can get a free version then what's the incentive to pay to DS?
I wonder how many of the people that complain about the dev trying to make money from his efforts actually go to work for free themselves?
- Jul 19, 2017
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You find his work worthwhile and want to see more of it? You know the reason Patreon exists?
Btw am I the only person who thinks that an always online DRM is just a disaster waiting to happen. Like someone gets the idea to be an asshole and suddenly paying customers can't log in because the log in servers are getting DDoSed or some shit.
I mean, the guy hasn't even released a first version, he doesn't even know if this is going to work the way he wants or if it's going to be buggy or not, neither does he know if his patrons are going to follow him down this road with this project or not and already he is thinking about stuff like piracy and DRM. This shows what kind of priorities he got.
If he released a 0.1 game free for all as a demo version, (patrons chose to support him and his work instead of paying a monthly subscribing fee to play this - this isn't WOW guys) he would get a lot more attention and feedback and attract a lot more potential patrons, but no.
If he released a 0.1 game free for all as a demo version, (patrons chose to support him and his work instead of paying a monthly subscribing fee to play this - this isn't WOW guys) he would get a lot more attention and feedback and attract a lot more potential patrons, but no.
- Apr 5, 2017
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Damn. And here I thought I paid for all 700+ games I own, ~1500 music CDs and ~300 movies on Blu-Ray. Must've gotten them for free. After all, I do pirate stuff (admittedly, 99% of the times I'll pirate it because I want a demo, or my paycheck is a bit too far away, so I buy a legit copy later).
When I said that actual research was done I wasn't kidding. This is the latest one.
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. Feel free to read it, it's a complete paper.The last time he did it he lost Patrons.
- Aug 9, 2016
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Wasn't this issue (DRM) discussed to death and beyond for dozens of pages when it was introduced in BB? With pretty much the same arguments from both sides?
Some people think it's his right to do so.
Some think he'll shoot himself in the foot for it.
Some think he should spend more time making content instead of devising DRMs (if for some weird reason those were inter-connected).
Some people think DS is an asshat because it's the cool thing to do.
Some people think [insert whatever opinion here].
All those opinions are fine (all with valid and not-so-valid arguments), and they are all based on assumptions so far.
BUT, last time I checked, butting heads endlessly in here (something of which I'm guilty myself) did not cause DS to change his mind in the slightest. I don't see any reason it should happen now. What (allegedly) changed his mind, is having his game cracked anyway, so I guess we'll just wait and see.
Unless this is all a theoretical discussion on principles and ethics.
Some people think it's his right to do so.
Some think he'll shoot himself in the foot for it.
Some think he should spend more time making content instead of devising DRMs (if for some weird reason those were inter-connected).
Some people think DS is an asshat because it's the cool thing to do.
Some people think [insert whatever opinion here].
All those opinions are fine (all with valid and not-so-valid arguments), and they are all based on assumptions so far.
BUT, last time I checked, butting heads endlessly in here (something of which I'm guilty myself) did not cause DS to change his mind in the slightest. I don't see any reason it should happen now. What (allegedly) changed his mind, is having his game cracked anyway, so I guess we'll just wait and see.
Unless this is all a theoretical discussion on principles and ethics.
- Apr 5, 2017
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I am not arguing opinions, principles or ethics, I am arguing pure facts. Piracy has no visible negative effects on digitally distributed products, period. To people who deal with digitally distributed products and the whole market, this is about as undeniable as evolution is to biologists, or usefulness of vaccines to doctors. Sure, you'll always find one who says otherwise, but they're all pretty much bought and paid for (like the guy who faked a study to prove that vaccines cause autism).
Noone has ever been able to prove that not being able to pirate something generates sales, and noone has ever been able to prove that piracy reduces sales. And trust me, many have tried.
In extreme cases piracy IS the business model. Why do you think Windows anti-piracy measures are so pathetic? Because that way everyone familiarizes themselves with this system by using it at home, and then when they go to work, their employer has to buy them Windows (except IT/engineering crowd), because it's cheaper and more efficient than retraining your employees. But that is an extreme example which doesn't work in gaming industry.
Noone has ever been able to prove that not being able to pirate something generates sales, and noone has ever been able to prove that piracy reduces sales. And trust me, many have tried.
In extreme cases piracy IS the business model. Why do you think Windows anti-piracy measures are so pathetic? Because that way everyone familiarizes themselves with this system by using it at home, and then when they go to work, their employer has to buy them Windows (except IT/engineering crowd), because it's cheaper and more efficient than retraining your employees. But that is an extreme example which doesn't work in gaming industry.
- Nov 10, 2017
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From Discord, regarding the free version.0.1 will be released somewhere in the coming days.
- Jul 19, 2017
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Also, by time-gated he means that the free version will be 1-2 months behind the
Patreon version and I think he also said $5 dollar backers will be a couple of weeks behind the higher tier backers.
Patreon version and I think he also said $5 dollar backers will be a couple of weeks behind the higher tier backers.