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Nimos_

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I'm so disapointed in this game, back in its early days it used to be some kind of openworld from what i remember and now it is straightforward
 

Egris

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So we won't have oyakodon but NTR?
what ntr?

nvm, so the dev is breaking his word of "No NTR" huh
alright, because this ever goes well right?
honestly if that's your favorite tag why make a vow of not adding NTR at the start
just make the thing you like since the very start instead of baiting people
to play your game expecting it to be free of a tag they don't like, why are devs like this
 
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azure334

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i do question why the dev opened the poll in the first place and hes partly at fault because of that.
however the lions share of the blame should be pointed at his community, they are the ones who wanted the "bad endings."

besides that, the bad ending wont even be added until after the main story is finished from what ive heard.
the amount of whining on here blew things well out of proportion.
 

DeviantFun

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what ntr?

nvm, so the dev is breaking his word of "No NTR" huh
alright, because this ever goes well right?
honestly if that's your favorite tag why make a vow of not adding NTR at the start
just make the thing you like since the very start instead of baiting people
to play your game expecting it to be free of a tag they don't like, why are devs like this
That is an absolute shame, hopefully there will be a possibility to avoid it with clear choices at the very least.

i do question why the dev opened the poll in the first place and hes partly at fault because of that.
however the lions share of the blame should be pointed at his community, they are the ones who wanted the "bad endings."

besides that, the bad ending wont even be added until after the main story is finished from what ive heard.
the amount of whining on here blew things well out of proportion.
I am always disappointed when authors delegate parts of the creative choices to fan and supporters.

I am not talking about what to focus first or minor things like pubic hair on a character, but with major story decisions like this, it feels that the author loses a lot of his agency in the creative process.

I want to play a story coming from the author, not a collective of supporters with no writing talent and different goals.
 
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DiGidro

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That is an absolute shame, hopefully there will be a possibility to avoid it with clear choices at the very least.



I am always disappointed when authors delegate parts of the creative choices to fan and supporters.

I am not talking about what to focus first or minor things like pubic hair on a character, but with major story decisions like this, it feels that the author loses a lot of his agency in the creative process.

I want to play a story coming from the author, not a collective of supporters with no writing talent and different goals.
The Lord of the Rings films were created with input from fans — Peter Jackson actively sought out audience opinions, and for example, that's how the character Tom Bombadil was excluded. As a result, the story became more dynamic, tense, and accessible to viewers. And we all know how successful the trilogy turned out to be.
Listening to fans is important, but of course, not at the expense of the core vision. It all depends on whether the author changes the story under pressure or simply takes feedback into account.
If the story is entirely original, we can't truly know whether the author is following a pre-planned path or adjusting along the way. What matters most is that the final result feels coherent and purposeful.
 

Angelcrush

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what about you stfu?
Rude !

nvm, so the dev is breaking his word of "No NTR" huh
alright, because this ever goes well right?
honestly if that's your favorite tag why make a vow of not adding NTR at the start
just make the thing you like since the very start instead of baiting people
to play your game expecting it to be free of a tag they don't like, why are devs like this
why make such a big deal out of it ?
 
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DeviantFun

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The Lord of the Rings films were created with input from fans — Peter Jackson actively sought out audience opinions, and for example, that's how the character Tom Bombadil was excluded. As a result, the story became more dynamic, tense, and accessible to viewers. And we all know how successful the trilogy turned out to be.
Listening to fans is important, but of course, not at the expense of the core vision. It all depends on whether the author changes the story under pressure or simply takes feedback into account.
If the story is entirely original, we can't truly know whether the author is following a pre-planned path or adjusting along the way. What matters most is that the final result feels coherent and purposeful.
I mean, you are actually comparing fans of a literary masterpiece with an insane amount of background lore to a bunch of degenerates whose main concern is if the game they are about to play can be played with one hand and if there is enough NTR with their (virtual) moms. ;)

Constructive criticism on how something is being written is fine, I actually try to contribute such feedback on games I care about, but branching the story you (writer/developer) want to tell because some supporter is thinking about his next wank is....not great in my view.

I am not discrediting your opinion, I see what you are getting at, but I remain unconvinced, I doubt Tarantino or even Murakami do a poll before they start on their work.
Now I am the one doing a silly comparison, I know!

Edit: btw I think Tom Bombadil was excluded because it was a weird insert from stories Tolkien told to his children and it is very difficult to render in a movie with limited time (yes even the extended version)
 

DiGidro

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I mean, you are actually comparing fans of a literary masterpiece with an insane amount of background lore to a bunch of degenerates whose main concern is if the game they are about to play can be played with one hand and if there is enough NTR with their (virtual) moms. ;)

Constructive criticism on how something is being written is fine, I actually try to contribute such feedback on games I care about, but branching the story you (writer/developer) want to tell because some supporter is thinking about his next wank is....not great in my view.

I am not discrediting your opinion, I see what you are getting at, but I remain unconvinced, I doubt Tarantino or even Murakami do a poll before they start on their work.
Now I am the one doing a silly comparison, I know!

Edit: btw I think Tom Bombadil was excluded because it was a weird insert from stories Tolkien told to his children and it is very difficult to render in a movie with limited time (yes even the extended version)

I wasn’t equating the fanbases, just pointing out an example where this kind of cooperation between creator and audience worked exceptionally well. Regardless of whether a story is “high art” or something less refined, it’s still a story — and the author still matters.
There are also plenty of examples where ignoring the audience harmed the adaptation. Take Judge Dredd with Stallone — a complete loss of the original’s tone in favor of “this is my vision.” It’s what happens when you don’t listen at all. That’s why I don’t think my example was “silly” — Jackson didn’t pander, but he did listen, and that helped The Lord of the Rings become what it is.
He could’ve turned it into a light-hearted fantasy romp to maximize ticket sales — but he didn’t. He respected the source and, yes, the fans who loved it.

Sometimes it’s useful to listen — and listening doesn’t mean obeying or blindly accepting. It just means analyzing.
 

DeviantFun

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I wasn’t equating the fanbases, just pointing out an example where this kind of cooperation between creator and audience worked exceptionally well. Regardless of whether a story is “high art” or something less refined, it’s still a story — and the author still matters.
There are also plenty of examples where ignoring the audience harmed the adaptation. Take Judge Dredd with Stallone — a complete loss of the original’s tone in favor of “this is my vision.” It’s what happens when you don’t listen at all. That’s why I don’t think my example was “silly” — Jackson didn’t pander, but he did listen, and that helped The Lord of the Rings become what it is.
He could’ve turned it into a light-hearted fantasy romp to maximize ticket sales — but he didn’t. He respected the source and, yes, the fans who loved it.

Sometimes it’s useful to listen — and listening doesn’t mean obeying or blindly accepting. It just means analyzing.
I don't know, you are still talking about adaptations and not original IPs.

I don't disagree completely on constructive criticism or tangent ideas, still, when the best and biggest suggestions that I see around any game on this boards is on the level of "add ntr and bbc", I cannot do anything but remain skeptical that the fanbase has anything worthwhile to add to the creative process.
 
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