ffive

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why shoebox yourself in? when you can become adept to a more versatile engine, and be able to make different kinds of games in the future? If all you wanna do is a copy and paste game for the rest of eternity, sure why not
You don't "shoebox yourself in" by completing a VN in engine made for making VNs. It doesn't prevent you from picking similarly appropriate engine for your next project, if your next project happens to be something other than a VN.
 

beerpig

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As for 2024-06-30, Debian 12 is not supported since it has glibc 2.36, not 2.38

RNGeusEX treating Linux users as second-class citizens is frustratingly common yet makes no sense (reminding me of good old days releasing HARDCODED)

Two questions:
1) Is "Linux" support is limited to Ubuntu?
2) Is there any hope?
I mentioned this some comments ago; I got the same issue under Mint. The typical solution is to compile the executable for a slightly older version of the system, he's likely doing it for Ubuntu 24.04 (numbat), while 22.04 (jellyfish) would be saner.
That's yet another thing that he wouldn't need to care about with Ren'Py. Oh well.
If you have WINE installed, the game runs as bad as natively, but not worse. Alternatively, if you don't want to dirty your system with it, VMing Ubuntu is always an option.

Wait, people really use Linux here?
We do?
 
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Troqu

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You don't "shoebox yourself in" by completing a VN in engine made for making VNs. It doesn't prevent you from picking similarly appropriate engine for your next project, if your next project happens to be something other than a VN.
Or even a future visual novel. It's not that the choice of Ren'Py over Godot makes more sense for VN in general, but the fact that this choice was made AFTER the project was already started in Ren'Py, that makes it a terrible choice.
 

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Nah, c'mon guys, some of you are acting childishly and stupidly. Who cares about little dissatisfactions here or there in femdom route. If you're SO obsessed w/ being dominated, get out of ya houses and go find REAL girls, then. Stop poluting the critical sense in the comments section with your pooch desires, specially if you don't even PAY for the game subscription.
 
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It's not that the choice of Ren'Py over Godot makes more sense for VN in general
Technically, it does, since RenPy comes with lot of pre-built stuff aimed at minimizing effort needed to produce your typical VN. If you opt for a more generic engine, you have to effectively reinvent the wheel, implementing this kind of framework on your own (or do things manually and the hard way) It's just... not really worth the effort, unless you're intent on producing some sort of weird hybrid rather than typical VN. (and even when it comes to these, it's not like people haven't made even fairly complicated RPGs in RenPy)
 
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notecrash

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Technically, it does, since RenPy comes with lot of pre-built stuff aimed at minimizing effort needed to produce your typical VN. If you opt for a more generic engine, you have to effectively reinvent the wheel, implementing this kind of framework on your own (or do things manually and the hard way) It's just... not really worth the effort, unless you're intent on producing some sort of weird hybrid rather than typical VN. (and even when it comes to these, it's not like people haven't made even fairly complicated RPGs in RenPy)
Honestly, I've played several ren'py games that just should've used another engine. It works fine if you make a simple VN, but start getting just a bit ambitious with features and that thing will choke on itself. Rogue like evolution is a good example of this, it has absolute atrocious performance. Maybe it's bad programming skills, maybe it's bad understanding of how the engine works, I don't know, but it's common enough.
 

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Honestly, I've played several ren'py games that just should've used another engine. It works fine if you make a simple VN, but start getting just a bit ambitious with features and that thing will choke on itself. Rogue like evolution is a good example of this, it has absolute atrocious performance. Maybe it's bad programming skills, maybe it's bad understanding of how the engine works, I don't know, but it's common enough.
Rogue like is a pure example of a terrible coder. four elements trainer does everything RL does and far more but also runs smooth as butter.
 

Kardless

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You may not like my version of femdom, but it's the one that comes closest to reality. If I stick to the definition, it's a practice or relational dynamic in which a woman assumes the dominant or power role over a partner, often male, who adopts a submissive role. This dynamic can manifest itself in a variety of contexts, including sexual relations, role-playing and other aspects of daily life.
With the utmost respect, I don't want to pile more stress on you because people don't understand the level of effort it takes to develop a game. However, this is one of the rare times I have to be candid with how I feel.

I should preface this by saying that I am a Patreon supporter as well. I support this game because I like it. Asami and Yasuka are my favourites. I'm not a pirate but I come here for the community. So here goes:

It's not about liking your version of femdom, it's the fact that it's not even a version of femdom at all.

I'm going to compare the Femdom Path to material that is already in the game so you see where I'm coming from. I'm labelling them each with descriptions as well.

Please take a look at Noriko's Maledom path. Saito is dominant and imposes himself on her.

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I'm confused why you didn't do this the other way around for Noriko's Femdom path in this update?

The only time Noriko imposes herself similarly on Saito takes place at the beginning of the Femdom Path, where she had Saito on his knees. This already happened before this update.

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Where is this attitude from Noriko in the update? It's nowhere to be seen.

Sakuya's path is more of a Femdom Path than Noriko's Femdom Path and it's not even labelled as such. Look how she imposes herself on Saito and is very possessive.

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Comparatively, Noriko's Femdom Path this update is hugely lacking bite compared to the material above.

It even turns into maledom by the end of the Femdom Path where Noriko wants him to "punish" her...?

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What you believe is femdom isn't femdom, it's an ordinary dynamic. There is no "power role" going on here; I'm afraid that initiating or being first doesn't automatically mean you're dominant.

Giving permission is not femdom - it is consent. At no point did I ever feel Noriko took charge of Saito.

The Noriko Femdom pre-update and Sakuya examples I outlined above is what femdom actually is in the context of your game.

Currently I feel Noriko's "Femdom Path" should be relabelled as a "Love Path". Femdom is a selling point and people don't take kindly to being mislead, given what you showed in Noriko's Femdom Path prior to this update.

As a Patreon supporter, I do feel like I've been personally mislead and am consequently saddened by this update.

I hope I was constructive with my criticism. Enjoy the rest of your day.
 

beerpig

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(and even when it comes to these [hybrid games], it's not like people haven't made even fairly complicated RPGs in RenPy)
Yup - even for a hybrid, it's probably wiser to use a specialised engine. The pre-built frameworks might not do everything for you, but at least they'll do half of your work; with a generic engine you're doing everything by yourself instead.
(By that I don't mean that Godot is a bad engine. It's simply not the right tool for the job. At least for now.)

Rogue like evolution is a good example of this, it has absolute atrocious performance. Maybe it's bad programming skills, maybe it's bad understanding of how the engine works, I don't know, but it's common enough.
Don't quote me on what I'm going to say, but my guess is that RLE poor performance is caused by its assets, not the engine or programming.
 
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With the utmost respect, I don't want to pile more stress on you because people don't understand the level of effort it takes to develop a game. However, this is one of the rare times I have to be candid with how I feel.

I should preface this by saying that I am a Patreon supporter as well. I support this game because I like it. Asami and Yasuka are my favourites. I'm not a pirate but I come here for the community. So here goes:

It's not about liking your version of femdom, it's the fact that it's not even a version of femdom at all.

I'm going to compare the Femdom Path to material that is already in the game so you see where I'm coming from. I'm labelling them each with descriptions as well.

Please take a look at Noriko's Maledom path. Saito is dominant and imposes himself on her.

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

I'm confused why you didn't do this the other way around for Noriko's Femdom path in this update?

The only time Noriko imposes herself similarly on Saito takes place at the beginning of the Femdom Path, where she had Saito on his knees. This already happened before this update.

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

Where is this attitude from Noriko in the update? It's nowhere to be seen.

Sakuya's path is more of a Femdom Path than Noriko's Femdom Path and it's not even labelled as such. Look how she imposes herself on Saito and is very possessive.

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

Comparatively, Noriko's Femdom Path this update is hugely lacking bite compared to the material above.

It even turns into maledom by the end of the Femdom Path where Noriko wants him to "punish" her...?

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What you believe is femdom isn't femdom, it's an ordinary dynamic. There is no "power role" going on here; I'm afraid that initiating or being first doesn't automatically mean you're dominant.

Giving permission is not femdom - it is consent. At no point did I ever feel Noriko took charge of Saito.

The Noriko Femdom pre-update and Sakuya examples I outlined above is what femdom actually is in the context of your game.

Currently I feel Noriko's "Femdom Path" should be relabelled as a "Love Path". Femdom is a selling point and people don't take kindly to being mislead, given what you showed in Noriko's Femdom Path prior to this update.

As a Patreon supporter, I do feel like I've been personally mislead and am consequently saddened by this update.

I hope I was constructive with my criticism. Enjoy the rest of your day.
It is no use by the responses given by the developer here i belive he is narcisist who is conviced that everyone except him is wrong.
 

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And then, in the end, for those who aren't happy... and who complain that they won't be playing the game,
I find it hard to understand. Pirates who don't play my game anymore.
Yes, belittle future supporters who might have found this game from here or supporters who are here becuse there are games that aren't sold for their countrys here.
Truly a marketing genius in the works!
If I stick to the definition
I don't think you know the definition, source:
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Best of lucks to yarrr game anyway pal! Me mateys will be waching with low spectations!
 

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You don't "shoebox yourself in" by completing a VN in engine made for making VNs. It doesn't prevent you from picking similarly appropriate engine for your next project, if your next project happens to be something other than a VN.
learn 1 engine to do multiple genres, or learn a new engine anytime you want to do something different? .... what you're proposing is extremely inefficient.
 

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Anyone else getting the sprite bug of Asami getting a second set of eyelids that are in the middle of her face? Not gonna lie that shit is creeping me out.

Anyway, I really like the art style of this game. Its a shame Asamis mom is locked out if you choose her love route on 10.0, but ill just use any full gallery unlock thing that comes out I guess.

As for this femdom situation guess I don't really find myself caring that much since femdom was never my thing. But it is kinda funny to see the drama on it. I can't help but imagine someone losing their temper cause their balls weren't crushed - no hate or offense femdom lovers. Though I do get the reasons for being upset
 

Troqu

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learn 1 engine to do multiple genres, or learn a new engine anytime you want to do something different? .... what you're proposing is extremely inefficient.
You're clearly not replying in good faith, but if you're going to go with "efficiency" as a reason then this is the least efficient way to do it. Throwing out 2 years worth of work to remake what you have in a new engine isn't efficient. Finish what you started then move onto the new engine for future projects.
 

ffive

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learn 1 engine to do multiple genres, or learn a new engine anytime you want to do something different? .... what you're proposing is extremely inefficient.
If you use generic engine then you also need to learn how to do (and then implement on your own) all the things specialized engines come pre-equipped with, and the generic engine lacks. So no, you'll have to learn extra all the time either way.
 
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Microbaked

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What I don't get is why people are freaking out about a developer switching to a new engine. You guys are downloading this for free. I'd assume most people here not actively supporting the dev, so really you're getting free content, and you're complaining about something that you got at no charge. Something you had no part in creating, yet reap all the rewards. If you are a patreon supporter, then you are supporting their development. If you didn't want to support the Godot transition, then you had a ton of time to stop supporting as the dev said they were gonna do it.

Unless of course this is some sort of outlet for you to hop in and just rant cuz you have no where else to do it.

As a side note: This transition to the new engine, didn't take anywhere near as much time as other devs took in recent history, as well as it has basically all the content that was available before hand, unlike other games in recent history. Some people need to hop on down from their high horse.
 

beerpig

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What I don't get is why people are freaking out about a developer switching to a new engine.
If you don't get what people are complaining about, or why, perhaps you should actually read the thread, instead of assuming = making up shit like "people are freaking out".

You guys are downloading this for free.
Already addressed by multiple posters.
Long story short: both things that people are complaining about, here, are such bad decisions that even people who pirate the game are facepalming at the dev. (And at least one Patreon user. Check the thread.)

I'd assume
I'm glad that you outright admit that you're making stuff up. This means that you can be safely ignored as noise.
 

Microbaked

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If you don't get what people are complaining about, or why, perhaps you should actually read the thread, instead of assuming = making up shit like "people are freaking out".


Already addressed by multiple posters.
Long story short: both things that people are complaining about, here, are such bad decisions that even people who pirate the game are facepalming at the dev. (And at least one Patreon user. Check the thread.)


I'm glad that you outright admit that you're making stuff up. This means that you can be safely ignored as noise.
It's alright buddy, I'm here for you. If you ever need a friend to talk to, hit me up.
In truth I haven't read all 288 pages. I have skimmed through the past few. It just seemed like some needed a reminder. As the excitement behind the engine change appeared to be more around personal perspectives. A lot of people also highly dislike Ren'py. So a lot of talk here comes down to personal views. The dev/creator of this game, decided Godot was the way to go for themselves. So that's what they chose. The argument to choose otherwise had sailed months ago.

PS: The term 'freaking out" is highly relative. To some, freaking out can seem like a gentle debate to others. However, that doesn't negate that the topic at hand is somewhat irreverent, as the dev will likely not go back on what they chose to do, as it could very well make it look like even more time was wasted to those already on the fence about the decision.
 
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