VN Ren'Py GothHouse [Ch.2] [Chimeros/Nikociant]

[Avaron1974]

So all in on the futa MC with no MMC?
So fucking based

Massive improvement as far as i'm concerned.

I do enjoy the main game but I play Futa MC and get a bit tired of my character being called male. It takes me out of the story when it happens.

No chance of it happening when it's only a futa character.

 

[Kitku]

-Whose house?

-A Goth's House!

 

[TheDevian]

-Whose house?

-A Goth's House!

 

[Aioto]

So all in on the futa MC with no MMC?
So fucking based

Considering what the other dev does with male MCs, I think it's best we keep this one like this.

Plus Darci has a more established personality than either MC from Furrhouse.

 

[sabadongelov]

I feel GothHouse is better than FurrHouse:
- In general better looking models for the main characters, including the MC (futa MC in FurrHouse has a derpy looking body)
- Less lore dumping (Maybe Chimeros got much of that off their chest in FurrHouse)
- A little less silly feeling (though still pretty silly)
- Animations feels more qualitative (but I guess that should be the case for the latter installments of FurrHouse too)

But some issues still prevail:
- Not much build up of erotic tension. Virtually no seduction and/or corruption going on. While there is a lot of sex talk, dialogue is still quite dry and not very sexy. Maybe a little bit better, but not much. But this is probably difficult to fix if the skill to write such dialogue simply is not there.
- Still to much personal history dumping. I think this contributes to dialogues feeling stilted and unrealistic, people are way to quick to trust and way to willing to spill their life's histories. Both feels unbelievable and unearned as well as slows the game down (more time could be spent on subtle flirting and seduction? In a world where people don't fuck at the drop of a hat, that would be required anyway).
- Default bad guys are still men. In a world where women outnumber men heavily (is it five times as many women as men? Don't remember exactly) and women are just as capabel as fighters/mercenaries/assasins/soldiers/etc, there is really no reason why (almost) all bad guys are men. Unlike the first point, this one is simple to fix. Doesn't matter that some female characters are not LIs/fuckable (or let the bad guys be on the menu too).

 

[Marshall343]

loving the game so far, just thought Id leave a message about Fiona, she says "innit" too much, she's scottish not english so she'd probably not really say that all that much if at all

 

[Avaron1974]

loving the game so far, just thought Id leave a message about Fiona, she says "innit" too much, she's scottish not english so she'd probably not really say that all that much if at all

I always saw innit as more of a chav thing.

 

[Marshall343]

I always saw innit as more of a chav thing.

Yeah definitely a chav thing, think her saying "aye" in place of it would work

 

[Sirfappington123]

Definite improvement on the model of the MC, but is there really no way to avoid the dick looking like it's just awkwardly glued on?

 

[sabadongelov]

Definite improvement on the model of the MC, but is there really no way to avoid the dick looking like it's just awkwardly glued on?

Agree. At the very least, Chimeros should get hold of a model for a flacid penis, to avoid it being 90 degrees erect at all times as soon as the MC becomes nude for whatever reason. Or maybe do the "cock magically appears when aroused" and then starts out as erect, could help with explaining why futas don't seem to have penis-bulges despite wearing form fitting female clothes.

 

[WonderDemonBra]

- Default bad guys are still men. In a world where women outnumber men heavily (is it five times as many women as men? Don't remember exactly) and women are just as capabel as fighters/mercenaries/assasins/soldiers/etc, there is really no reason why (almost) all bad guys are men. Unlike the first point, this one is simple to fix. Doesn't matter that some female characters are not LIs/fuckable (or let the bad guys be on the menu too).

Look who the second dev is and what they did. It might give you a hint

Edit : or maybe they are the same person with different pseudos. I don't know.

 

[Avaron1974]

there is really no reason why (almost) all bad guys are men.

No real reason they shouldn't be the bad guys either.

or let the bad guys be on the menu too

 

[sabadongelov]

Look who the second dev is and what they did. It might give you a hint

Edit : or maybe they are the same person with different pseudos. I don't know.

I have never played any of those games, so it doesn't tell me anything. But the issue is in FurrHouse also. Typical boring and lazy harem-troupe though.

No real reason they shouldn't be the bad guys either.

Yes, there is a very good reason all bad guys shouldn't be men: It is very unbelievable, especially when the Avalonian population is something like 84 percent women and 16 percent men and there is neither any difference in power between the sexes, nor gender roles that consign women to the home. Realistically, there should be plenty of "bad guy" women in such a scenario.

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That's a weird position for you to take, considering you don't seem to have any trouble playing games where the MC herself is a bad guy (for instance, murdering people) or where the male MC is subjugated to things like rape and whatnot.

In any case, just because a certain individual is "on the menu" doesn't mean the MC/player have to partake. Good games let's players choose which LIs (and simple sex encounters) to persue and which not to persue. That someone else get's their preferences and fetishes met doesn't have to be a threat to you and your preferences/fetishes.

 

[Avaron1974]

That's a weird position for you to take,

A weird position for a lesbian not wanting male LI's?

You are aware what lesbians are?

Good games let's players choose which LIs (and simple sex encounters) to persue and which not to persue. That someone else get's their preferences and fetishes met doesn't have to be a threat to you and your preferences/fetishes.

Except for the fact you are trying to change a game to suit your own desires.

you don't seem to have any trouble playing games where the MC herself is a bad guy

What does that have to do with anything?

You said there is no reason men should be the only bad guys and I said there is no real reason they shouldn't be.

Your response to that is that I play games where a female MC is the bad guy....... what does that have to do with this debate?

Besides the fact that just because we haven't seen any truly evil women yet, doesn't mean they don't exist.

Realistically,

We're playing harem power fantasy games, realistic isn't the goal.

or where the male MC is subjugated to things like rape and whatnot.

Now you're reaching. I don't play games where male MC's are raped. That's not something I have any desire to see.

I only play male MC games where it's a power fantasy because I like that kind of shit or if it has a story I really enjoy. Considering my years on here and well documented love of romance the idea i'd play a game where any MC, male or female, is raped is laughable.

But the issue is in FurrHouse also. Typical boring and lazy harem-troupe though.

Yet also a game that quite a lot of people enjoy.

If it's boring and lazy then it's obviously not the game for you. I see no reason whatsoever why the dev should change their entire game just to suit you.

I have never played any of those games, so it doesn't tell me anything.

Don't need to play a game to read the tags.

The second dev for this game makes femdom games.

 

[sabadongelov]

A weird position for a lesbian not wanting male LI's?

You are aware what lesbians are?

I know what a lesbian is. Do you know what reading comprehension is?

I have never advocated for male LIs. I advocated for female bad guys and noted that if you have female bad guys, some of them can be "on the menu".

Except for the fact you are trying to change a game to suit your own desires.

Having more female bad guys wouldn't change the game.

We're playing harem power fantasy games, realistic isn't the goal.

All fiction benefits from being as believable as it can be, given the premise of the fiction. The less believable a certain story feels, the easier it is to loose immersion. Also, in a world with magic and what is essentially super powers, I don't know that a power fantasy even have to be unrealistic.

You said there is no reason men should be the only bad guys and I said there is no real reason they shouldn't be.

Your response to that is that I play games where a female MC is the bad guy....... what does that have to do with this debate.

Once more, reading comprehension. Because that wasn't my response to your claim that there is no reason to have female bad guys (you ignored that part of my response). That was the response to you saying "absolutely not!" to having bad guys "on the menu".

Now you're reaching. I don't play games where male MC's are raped. That's not something I have any desire to see.

I have seen you defend such content in a thread on this site. But I'm sure you chalk it up to "dominance".

If it's boring and lazy then it's obviously not the game for you. I see no reason whatsoever why the dev should change their entire game just to suit you.

For the third time, reading comprehension. I haven't said the game is boring and lazy. I have said the harem trope where all men but the MC are stupid, pathetic and/or evil is boring and lazy.

And once more, avoiding that trope isn't "changing their entire game".

Don't need to play a game to read the tags.

The second dev for this game makes femdom games.

Femdom isn't the same as "all men are stupid/pathetic and/or evil", just as maledom isn't "all women are stupid/pathetic and/or evil". In fact, it is quite common for femdom games to feature evil women.

 

[WonderDemonBra]

I have never played any of those games, so it doesn't tell me anything. But the issue is in FurrHouse also. Typical boring and lazy harem-troupe though.

If you take a look they are femdom games that heavily focus on male humiliation and degradation.
Maybe some guys get off with this, but it still says a lot about what the dev has in mind.
So if the two are working together...
Make your own deductions

But yes, it is also present in FurrHouse.
But let's be honest, the writing was never the strong part of the game.

 

[sabadongelov]

If you take a look they are femdom games that heavily focus on male humiliation and degradation.
Maybe some guys get off with this, but it still says a lot about what the dev has in mind.
So if the two are working together...
Make your own deductions

But yes, it is also present in FurrHouse.
But let's be honest, the writing was never the strong part of the game.

Yeah, but as I pointed out to Avaron above, a man being humilated and dominated doesn't mean he has to be evil. And if the women in the game are sadistic dominas that rape men for fun, then the women in the game are actual bad guys. So a game being about femdom doesn't say that women in that game will be good, while the men will be evil. Maybe that the male MC of such games trend towards stupid and pathetic? I don't know, I never play them.

Anyway, having all men but the MC be stupid, evil and/or pathetic is something I much more associate with harem games, where I find it to be quite common.

As we agree, there definitely is such a trend in FurrHouse, somewhat exacerbated by the fact that Avalonians are supposed to be like almost 85 percent female and only 15 percent male. But to FurrHouse defence, it should be noted, that there are some decent men too. Worst offenders in this category have no male characters that are not stupid, pathetic and/or evil. Good example of a game that is actually quite good, but still does this to an insane degree: Ripples.

Finally, I agree, the writing was never a strong suite of FurrHouse and I don't think it is much better in GothHouse. A little maybe? As I concluded in my comment above, dialogue still needs improvement and the lack of it means erotic tension is low and the story feels a bit dry despite there being plenty of sex. This I think is probably more difficult to fix than simply having more female bad guys, as it is likely to be a skill issue rather than a more or less concious choise on what kind of bad guys to put in the story/game.

 

[WonderDemonBra]

Yeah, but as I pointed out to Avaron above, a man being humilated and dominated doesn't mean he has to be evil. And if the women in the game are sadistic dominas that rape men for fun, then the women in the game are actual bad guys. So a game being about femdom doesn't say that women in that game will be good, while the men will be evil. Maybe that the male MC of such games trend towards stupid and pathetic? I don't know, I never play them.

Anyway, having all men but the MC be stupid, evil and/or pathetic is something I much more associate with harem games, where I find it to be quite common.

As we agree, there definitely is such a trend in FurrHouse, somewhat exacerbated by the fact that Avalonians are supposed to be like almost 85 percent female and only 15 percent male. But to FurrHouse defence, it should be noted, that there are some decent men too. Worst offenders in this category have no male characters that are not stupid, pathetic and/or evil. Good example of a game that is actually quite good, but still does this to an insane degree: Ripples.

Finally, I agree, the writing was never a strong suite of FurrHouse and I don't think it is much better in GothHouse. A little maybe? As I concluded in my comment above, dialogue still needs improvement and the lack of it means erotic tension is low and the story feels a bit dry despite there being plenty of sex. This I think is probably more difficult to fix than simply having more female bad guys, as it is likely to be a skill issue rather than a more or less concious choise on what kind of bad guys to put in the story/game.

You don't quite get my point, but that's OK.
I'm not really interested in discussing all this.
I just wanted to give you some information that you were missing to better understand why the baddies were mostly men here.

Cheers

 

[Chimeros]

loving the game so far, just thought Id leave a message about Fiona, she says "innit" too much, she's scottish not english so she'd probably not really say that all that much if at all

Idk, she sorta lived in England for decays and often dealt with the criminals, so I thought it suited her character

 

[Marshall343]

Idk, she sorta lived in England for decays and often dealt with the criminals, so I thought it suited her character

Fair, just kinda jarring to me since "innit" is usually more of a chavvy way of speaking in addition to being more of an england thing when you said she's scottish. on top of that "innit" is often used by people outside of the UK in a mocking way so I suppose it just leaves a bitter taste

I still love her though