Others Happy Heart Panic [Build 23 SS] [Doggie Bones]

[Violet5100]

Don't confuse purchasing with donating. Donating implies that you are giving money without expecting anything in return thus it is called a donation a one way transaction. A purchase is when one party gives money to the other party in exchange for goods and services. In this case patreon is used in a purchasing capacity as you would be purchasing for the rights of "Information" "Future products" and "Exclusive perks". Patreon was designed to be used as a way to donate but is more of a store hub now then anything.

Confusing i know right? Patreon used as a "Donation portal" yet is sneakily used to basically act as a store front for anyone not wanting to deal with those pesky issues such as taxs and store front fees. Can you just use it to donate? Yes the capacity exists. Is doggie using it in that capacity? No they are using as a store front for the selling of information regarding game updates and exclusive content.

Also obligatory "You don't need to pay to get the content it's posted on here " No this website is a piracy website thus is the grey area of the argument due to it being a site where tons of paid for content is posted for free like the piratebay.

But... Doggie is the one posting it here? In fact a LOT of game devs put up their own content and games here. Do people put pirated copies up here? Sure. Does that make this a pirate site? Not really.

Just saying...

 

[ZeroT2]

At this rate I'm just gonna find a way to start """donating""" to you, you've already given us two quality art pieces in the time it takes Doggie to reassure us "they're working their tushie off".

Dont worry i make them for fun,but meanwhile have another one that i did last month and yes i love big tits.

 

[Shush69]

You know what would be cool, focus on 1 area. Imagine if they made the lab with multiple bosses and then went to the ghost place. Idk i just find it weird that you get an update that ads horses to a ranch with no goal, the restaurant place with no goal, the diaper place... meh , the ghost and lab deserve more focus, and you can use the tavern as a patreon oc place to bang their characters

 

[Stan The Incubus]

You know what would be cool, focus on 1 area. Imagine if they made the lab with multiple bosses and then went to the ghost place. Idk i just find it weird that you get an update that ads horses to a ranch with no goal, the restaurant place with no goal, the diaper place... meh , the ghost and lab deserve more focus, and you can use the tavern as a patreon oc place to bang their characters

I won't go as far as to say the daycare confuses me, but it is easily one of the most expansive zones to date. Meanwhile areas like the lab have been untouched for ages, and areas are getting added just to be pushed aside immediately (looking directly at daisies rodeo when I say that). Doggie definitely should've focused on the order that they updated areas on, and only started working on new ones when the previous area(s) were either finished or nearing completion, to both help them focus on things that need to be changed and to prevent feature creep, even if it may result in a slower development speed overall, it couldn't possibly be worse than what we have right now. Btw I'm not even a game developer, nor do I have any real knowledge on developing games, but I just feel that even for a porn game there's better ways to go about stuff like this...

 

[xana94]

I won't go as far as to say the daycare confuses me, but it is easily one of the most expensive zones to date. Meanwhile areas like the lab have been untouched for ages, and areas are getting added just to be pushed aside immediately (looking directly at daisies rodeo when I say that). Doggie definitely should've focused on the order that they updated areas on, and only started working on new ones when the previous area(s) were either finished or nearing completion, to both help them focus on things that need to be changed and to prevent feature creep, even if it may result in a slower development speed overall, it couldn't possibly be worse than what we have right now. Btw I'm not even a game developer, nor do I have any real knowledge on developing games, but I just feel that even for a porn game there's better ways to go about stuff like this...

I don’t like ABDL

 

[KittyMaid]

this is factually incorrect. someone as the consumer is PURCHASING cookies from the scouts. the company is then "claiming" the proceeds will go to donation, which the vast majority of it does not. the act between consumer purchase and what the company does with said money AFTER PURCHASE are NOT associated. furthermore, the consumer spent money in the PURCHASING of a full box of cookies. that is a legally binding trade agreement between the two parties (consumer and company). if that box is not full and/or lacks of the proper product, then it IS the company that is at fault and legal action CAN be taken against them. the people on patreon are SPENDING NOT GIVING money in exchange for access to information, builds, early content and the continued development of the game. so, yes, the consumers that have SPENT money have every right to be upset when ALL of these transactions are not met.

Not really, people are still buying to support, its a huge fundraiser. The irl version of Patreon. The cookies are just an incentive, for those who don't care for the cause, they are given another reason to give money. Much like how Doggie started giving VIP perks as a reward to supporters, prior they weren't really receiving much. Since you want to get technical and legal, ill play along.
These are his claims:

Does he give access to "Happy Heart Hell"? Yes.
Does he give access to early builds. Yes, i even made a post [Evidence: #2859]
Have contributions helped? Game is still progressing so yes.
Are you able to wait, to "purchase" the update you like? Yes. You're given access to whatever the current update is. (the whole cookie thing again. Help supports us in long run, but get these cookies in the meantime. Help finish game, but get current versions in meantime)
Let's look in detail the highest tier, they are the ones "losing" the most.

Do you get special roles and discord channels? Yes.
Full access to community? Yes. Here is a random user who became Zealot Tier supporter not to long ago. Evidence:

Progress updates/teasers? Yes. I even posted some myself [Evidence: #2879 #2890]
Access to the WIP Channel (Discord Perk!)? Yes. Obviously it's where i got the post from. But here is evidence anyways. Evidence:

Can join VIP streams (Discord Perk!)? Yes.
Can vote on occasional polls (Discord Perk!)? Yes. The current update was decide thru that.
There is even a discussion here about it. [Evidence: #2443]
Mango was won of the winners, she is now in game. Mordi is being added.
Optionally submit your name to be in the credits of the current game being developed? Yes.
Those people are featured in the game if they do so. Evidence:

So where was i wrong? What "transactions" were not met? Pls do tell.

 

[alyvix]

Not really, people are still buying to support, its a huge fundraiser. The irl version of Patreon. The cookies are just an incentive, for those who don't care for the cause, they are given another reason to give money. Much like how Doggie started giving VIP perks as a reward to supporters, prior they weren't really receiving much. Since you want to get technical and legal, ill play along.
These are his claims:
View attachment 2915514
Does he give access to "Happy Heart Hell"? Yes.
Does he give access to early builds. Yes, i even made a post [Evidence: #2859]
Have contributions helped? Game is still progressing so yes.
Are you able to wait, to "purchase" the update you like? Yes. You're given access to whatever the current update is. (the whole cookie thing again. Help supports us in long run, but get these cookies in the meantime. Help finish game, but get current versions in meantime)
Let's look in detail the highest tier, they are the ones "losing" the most.
View attachment 2915640
Do you get special roles and discord channels? Yes.
Full access to community? Yes. Here is a random user who became Zealot Tier supporter not to long ago. Evidence:
View attachment 2915644
Progress updates/teasers? Yes. I even posted some myself [Evidence: #2879 #2890]
Access to the WIP Channel (Discord Perk!)? Yes. Obviously it's where i got the post from. But here is evidence anyways. Evidence:
View attachment 2915653
Can join VIP streams (Discord Perk!)? Yes.
Can vote on occasional polls (Discord Perk!)? Yes. The current update was decide thru that.
There is even a discussion here about it. [Evidence: #2443]
Mango was won of the winners, she is now in game. Mordi is being added.
Optionally submit your name to be in the credits of the current game being developed? Yes.
Those people are featured in the game if they do so. Evidence:
View attachment 2915625
So where was i wrong? What "transactions" were not met? Pls do tell.

As someone who just lurks usually, I appreciate how much effort you go to showing these people how wrong they are, but it's sad knowing they'll probably just ignore everything you've said. They're not looking to be shown the evidence, they just want to complain about waiting for something they 'don't care about or like at all that's for sick fetishists' but can't stop obsessively posting about. At the very least it's amusing to see the complete brainrot they have.

 

[Goddamnaccounts]

I won't go as far as to say the daycare confuses me, but it is easily one of the most expensive zones to date.

Did you mean expansive? Or did you really mean what you said because that's what most of the money is going to?

 

[KittyMaid]

As someone who just lurks usually, I appreciate how much effort you go to showing these people how wrong they are, but it's sad knowing they'll probably just ignore everything you've said. They're not looking to be shown the evidence, they just want to complain about waiting for something they 'don't care about or like at all that's for sick fetishists' but can't stop obsessively posting about. At the very least it's amusing to see the complete brainrot they have.

Yeah, that's why they dont like me, it's just a big tantrum. They grasp at straws just to not admit it. But for the sake of new people i post so they see thru the brainrot. Not fair to just see one side of the story.

 

[Stan The Incubus]

Did you mean expansive? Or did you really mean what you said because that's what most of the money is going to?

Funny as that would be, no, I'm really just saying that seems to be where most of the effort was. I don't particularly mind the more tame ABDL stuff, but the ones where it's painfully obvious is where it kinda turns me off

 

[Theovonpapen]

Wouldn't you get angry if you donated money to someone who says will do a certain thing with those money and you later find out they lied and did none of the thing promised?

You're certainly describing a certain someone with a blue T in his profile pic in F95. Hmm, I can't put it into words.

 

[Theovonpapen]

Also to those who liked my previous comments thank you and have a good day. And to you kitty as well considering you took time to use the screen snipping tool to give me that "evidence"

Your first mistake is arguing with kittymaid in the first place. Scroll back a few pages and you'll see what I mean.

 

[Theovonpapen]

Yeah i know but whenever i'm quoted i feel the primal urge to post, it's compulsive. I have seen their fanboying/girling for this game is borderline fanatical but it's the internet so i feel like the vocal minority has an easier time becoming the seen/represntative voice for decisions due to that.

I think the best course is to follow 3 things before replying;
1. Who is responding to your post?
2. Is the content of the reply worthy of the time and honor to reply in the first place to which you have something valuable to say?
3. Is there anyone else who already done the very thing you wanted to say?

So let's analyze with kittymaid's info dump shall we?
Now being kittymaid, it's basically a given that she'll never be acting in good faith, so I recommend just being more aggressive than defensive with the replies. Though I have to point out that you'll never convince her of anything, as she's too ingrained being a simp that she'll either move the goalpost or twist the post whenever you do make a point.

Next, the whole wall of text is just there to, once again, "win the debate at all cost". On paper, it does appear to convince some minds like alyvix. However, once glance at his history profile shows that he has only replied once. It honestly feels a lot more like a bot, if not an NPC. I'm not going to say he's actually a sock puppet account, but with absolutely nothing else to go off, his "someone who just lurks usually" feels quite limited in its impact.

Does he give access to "Happy Heart Hell"? Yes.

He did not. It was reported multiple times on HH Hell thread on F95 that the game was never released to the public beyond Discord paywall. Sure, DoggieBones did eventually released HHP on F95, but to say he released HHH to the public is gaslighting. First, it was released by Cirelc and it was repeatedly stated on the thread to support the dev, strongly implying that the HHH thread was not initially condoned by DoggieBones.

Does he give access to early builds. Yes, i even made a post [Evidence: #2859]
Do you get special roles and discord channels? Yes.
Progress updates/teasers? Yes. I even posted some myself [Evidence: #2879 #2890]
etc.
etc.
etc.
This is what I would to like to call a Strawman Fallacy. It's a fallacy where your opponent over-simplifies or misrepresents your argument (i.e., setting up a "straw man") to make it easier to attack or refute. Instead of fully addressing your actual argument, she's relying on this fallacy present a superficially similar — but ultimately not equal — version of your real stance, helping them create the illusion of easily defeating you/trinitycross. trinitycross' statement feels more like a definition dump than an actual argument. It's Captain Obvious that trinitycross' definition dump was to refute the analogy of the girl scouts and the customers have a right to complain. Yet, kittymaid turned his entire definition dump into a Napoleonic target practice for his proverbial line infantry; that being the loads of info dump, as if his argument was that DoggieBones doesn't bring any value to supporters period. Read once more his definition dump, and tell me if it was actually a critique of DoggieBones in general or a refutation of kittymaid's analogy. It's basically when progressive 'christians' cherrypick the New Testament to prove that the Bible supported abortions, when the quotes they took was in a very different definition.

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TLDR, she turned trinitycross' argument against kittymaid's girl scout analogy and in favor of the customer right to complain, and strawmanned it into DoggieBones not producing anything in general.

 

[DMSTS]

-Beep-

Unironic claps for making such a detailed explanation from your point of view.



I personaly like the game.
After the 15th update I donated 1$.
Because I played it, liked it and thought the developer is worth it.


Overall the game is great and I am sure a lot of people think the same.

Everyone, including me, are just mad because of the recent development progress:
-Slow updates
-Small updates
-A lot of niche/unpleasant content (ABDL)
-Lack of "free" information (A lot of information is from VIP channels from users who donated)
(Maybe some don't see it like that, maybe they do)

It is just a human character:
When you get a lot at the start you begin to expect to get the same ammount or more later.
It's enevidable that people get angry.


And. Well...
I hope everyone will have fun discussing and talking about this game instead of arguing.

Remember: "It's just a game"

 

[Jegal Taek]

Not really, people are still buying to support, its a huge fundraiser. The irl version of Patreon. The cookies are just an incentive, for those who don't care for the cause, they are given another reason to give money. Much like how Doggie started giving VIP perks as a reward to supporters, prior they weren't really receiving much. Since you want to get technical and legal, ill play along.
These are his claims:
View attachment 2915514
Does he give access to "Happy Heart Hell"? Yes.
Does he give access to early builds. Yes, i even made a post [Evidence: #2859]
Have contributions helped? Game is still progressing so yes.
Are you able to wait, to "purchase" the update you like? Yes. You're given access to whatever the current update is. (the whole cookie thing again. Help supports us in long run, but get these cookies in the meantime. Help finish game, but get current versions in meantime)
Let's look in detail the highest tier, they are the ones "losing" the most.
View attachment 2915640
Do you get special roles and discord channels? Yes.
Full access to community? Yes. Here is a random user who became Zealot Tier supporter not to long ago. Evidence:
View attachment 2915644
Progress updates/teasers? Yes. I even posted some myself [Evidence: #2879 #2890]
Access to the WIP Channel (Discord Perk!)? Yes. Obviously it's where i got the post from. But here is evidence anyways. Evidence:
View attachment 2915653
Can join VIP streams (Discord Perk!)? Yes.
Can vote on occasional polls (Discord Perk!)? Yes. The current update was decide thru that.
There is even a discussion here about it. [Evidence: #2443]
Mango was won of the winners, she is now in game. Mordi is being added.
Optionally submit your name to be in the credits of the current game being developed? Yes.
Those people are featured in the game if they do so. Evidence:
View attachment 2915625
So where was i wrong? What "transactions" were not met? Pls do tell.

bro you need to get a life seriously

 

[Theovonpapen]

ironic claps for making such a detailed explanation from your point of view.

I personaly like the game.
After the 15th update I donated 1$.
Because I played it, liked it and thought the developer is worth it.


Overall the game is great and I am sure a lot of people think the same.

Everyone, including me, are just mad because of the recent development progress

You know the sad part about us, the ones who are passionate to be this critical?

We want DoggieBones to prove us wrong.

We want him to actually exceed our expectation and beyond.

We want him to show he actually gives a single damn about how many people are annoyed at the minimum of the state of the update.

People who hate for the sake of hate would just come and go, but for the one who care about the game's development do stick around. And it honestly get tiring at times, but we don't complain for da lolz. We do it because we care about the game. We care about the promises broken, because we pay attention to, so closely. We care about the shitty 'fans', that includes kittymaid, because if we don't, those people would be the ones to dictate where the development goes. That is why we're here. Not for machoism or the porn itself, but for the game to be good.

And that's why... we're disappointed. Disappointed that this game, on this very update, is on the verge of a decline.

 

[Dinglederper]

As someone who just lurks usually, I appreciate how much effort you go to showing these people how wrong they are, but it's sad knowing they'll probably just ignore everything you've said. They're not looking to be shown the evidence, they just want to complain about waiting for something they 'don't care about or like at all that's for sick fetishists' but can't stop obsessively posting about. At the very least it's amusing to see the complete brainrot they have.

First comment and you just pick a side on an issue that developed over the course of a few years, and your immense genius tells you that slinging insults is the smartest thing to do. Well, no surprise you and Kitty get along

Unironic claps for making such a detailed explanation from your point of view.
View attachment 2916141


I personaly like the game.
After the 15th update I donated 1$.
Because I played it, liked it and thought the developer is worth it.


Overall the game is great and I am sure a lot of people think the same.

Everyone, including me, are just mad because of the recent development progress:
-Slow updates
-Small updates
-A lot of niche/unpleasant content (ABDL)
-Lack of "free" information (A lot of information is from VIP channels from users who donated)
(Maybe some don't see it like that, maybe they do)

It is just a human character:
When you get a lot at the start you begin to expect to get the same ammount or more later.
It's enevidable that people get angry.


And. Well...
I hope everyone will have fun discussing and talking about this game instead of arguing.
View attachment 2916168
Remember: "It's just a game"

The arguing happens because of the points you stated: there's nothing to discuss because Doggie doesn't even bother to provide much info beyond teaser gifs and this "test build" to their VIPs, and even when the update finally comes out there will be maybe a single day's worth of discussion to be had. I have nothing against anyone here, the banter is HILARIOUS and that's why I honestly prefer it to the blatant ass-kissing and walking on eggshells that Doggie's Discord is defined by. It's downright creepy how apolagetic some of their patrons are for asking such simple questions as "ETA on the update?" after half a year of being ghosted.

Ironically, the people (person) who starts the most shit and arguing is also the one constantly claiming piety and talking down to everyone, literally just tongue-in-cheek insulting people while saying "im right ur rong :3 uWu". Basically we should all just stop commenting and quietly twiddle our thumbs, praise Doggie for making anything at all (because somehow we're now at the point of arguing the semantics of donating vs. Paying for a product), and shut the fuck up if we dare to have any opinion other than "please let me suck your farts lord Doggie UwU".

Again, the banter is funny to me, but certain elements seem to be incapable of resisting the urge to go straight to nutpunches (though that is technically a kink, hmm...) while rabidly going after anyone that has even a slight criticism about the game (oh the days of arguing semantics over the word "criticism"). I'll just kindly refer back to the previous page where the Dark Lord themselves betrayed their kin and asked "The Question" only to have another of Doggie's "shit sundae" daily diners go off on them.

 

[alyvix]

First comment and you just pick a side on an issue that developed over the course of a few years, and your immense genius tells you that slinging insults is the smartest thing to do. Well, no surprise you and Kitty get along

To be fair it's not the most complex thing to figure out that a creator has no obligation to deliver on their patreon even if it's a scummy move if they don't. I'm sure it takes zero effort to unsubscribe if you aren't satisfied with it. It seems pretty easy for me to not subscribe to the patreon and just come back every now and then and see if there's a new update here I can play and then move on to other stuff until the next update. I suppose I just enjoy the fact that it exists at all and it's pretty good. Is it really so shocking to people that one person making a game would put stuff they like in it even if it's not for everyone?

 

[DMSTS]

-Beep-

 

[Dinglederper]

To be fair it's not the most complex thing to figure out that a creator has no obligation to deliver on their patreon even if it's a scummy move if they don't. I'm sure it takes zero effort to unsubscribe if you aren't satisfied with it. It seems pretty easy for me to not subscribe to the patreon and just come back every now and then and see if there's a new update here I can play and then move on to other stuff until the next update. I suppose I just enjoy the fact that it exists at all and it's pretty good. Is it really so shocking to people that one person making a game would put stuff they like in it even if it's not for everyone?

Is it so shocking other people express their distaste for that stuff? The content is one thing, and as I've said I think the ABDL focus and what not is "meh", it's not guro or full on scat so I don't take immense issue with it. Yes, people can just unsub and move on, but I have no idea where this mentality of "you're not allowed to complain, if you dislike this thing go somewhere else", comes from, that's straight up echo chamber thinking.