There will probably be a massive orgy if you complete every character's story. Wouldn't seem complete without one.and a harem ending?
i mean this game is called harem hotel, it has to have a harem ending
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To clarify the misunderstanding, I very much understand the difference. But the truth lies in your post. One can claim that they were willing because they technically had a choice. But it is clear they did so because they knew it is in their best interest to say yes, not because they remotely wanted intimacy from said people.
Meaning it really comes down to what you consider willing is. Is someone willing simply on the basis that they said yes? If for example a girl says yes when they are blackmailed into sex, does this make her a willing participant simply because she had a choice to say no and deal with the fallout? Normally we do not consider someone willing when that happens given they were presented with bad choices where neither are desirable.
This is true especially when it relates to sex. You can say they agreed to have sex and be paraded, but to say they are willing is a bit disingenuous as they have no interest in performing the act with the masters. Masters who, while they cannot force themselves on their slaves, could most assuredly "incidentally" give them worse clothes, worse bedding, less food, more chores and so on given their power. In their unfortunate situation, while they technically have a choice it is to their benefit to say yes as an unsatisfied master can make their lives much worse.
As Dennis Reynolds says, if the girls say no then it's no but they would never say no because of the possible implication. He too doesn't see a problem with it, but then again he's presented as a psychopath so take from that what you will.
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If they were real people, I would be fighting for their rights and freedoms in every way I could. That said, they are not, this scene shows how bad things were, how they are improving, and quite possibly, how much further they can improve thanks the MCs actions there.
Yes, they were not "in to it", just like I was not into most of the jobs I have been made to do, I have had to do some really disgusting shit, I didn't like it, and sure, I had a choice to quit and lose my income and home, but it was "in my best interest" to do it, so I had to stick it out until I found another job, where I could be treated poorly there as well. A whore isn't always into her clients either, but they do their job willingly, because it was the agreement they made when they took the job. All of them could have refused, some did at some points, but they took the job, and most of them did it.
We all have to deal with shit, if you haven't yet, consider yourself lucky (and spoiled). You keep ignoring almost every point everyone makes, they were not coerced into it, they were not threatened, and it was never implied as you keep saying despite how many times you have been told that is not the case. You are injecting things into this that simply are not there.
A normal person sees this scene and wants to help the characters and change their lives for the better, an asshole wants to see them treated worse, and a spoiled brat tries to get the artist to change their story to suit their desires.
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You're mostly correct. Shit like that happens all the time including to myself (though I don't think we can even begin to compare to these poor girls in gravity). Where you go wrong is where you qualify it all as willing. Just because people are put into situations where their best choice is to do something they hate, does not mean they are willing. As shown my example of blackmail. Or shown by the myriad of strict rules around sexual relations wherever any power dynamic exists.
The difference between what you describe (prostitution and the like) and what is happening here is that there is a clear non-optional power dynamic. They are not prostitutes they are slaves. Where they are free to say no, they are not free in general. They cannot simply quit their job once they say no. They only have a few rules with which to work with, easily circumvented by any number of ways and have to live with the master so long as he exerts his power over them by the books. Which is why they needed to commit a violent crime instead of just getting up and moving to MC's house. A writer cannot simply write ignoring this non-optional power dynamic as to pretend there was no coercion.
The story works if it is not willing (rape). The story works if they like having sex with their masters like the tan girl. The story works if the event doesn't happen. But the story does NOT work as is being described. A slave cannot be willing when they hate what they are doing any more than a child is willing when their parents make them do something. They could refuse, but then they would have to face non optional consequences which the government cannot interfere in so long as it doesn't cross a very specific line.
And no where in anything I wrote am I trying to force anything. Someone giving criticism is not the same thing as demanding change. I explicitly stated numerous times that I'm fine with anything the artist ultimately decides and that he should do what he thinks is best. That doesn't mean though that we cannot discuss the merits of the story.
I write all the time too. The thing about writing is that people can lose track or fail to take into account certain factors. That something is canon or intended does not necessarily mean it makes sense or comes off as intended. A writer can write anything. One character can have blue eyes in one scene and comes into the next scene with green eyes. Or one motivation in one scene and the exact opposite in the next. Or in this case being master and slave in one scene and equal terms consensual lovers in the next. Or being willing in one scene and committing violent crimes to avoid the situation in the next. Whether or not they take everything into consideration is part of what differentiates between a good story and a bad story. And why feedback such as this is valuable.
And the problem is Cornwall isn't god. He can't stop what he doesn't see, nor can he prove someone's intention in every action they take. It doesn't matter what he intends because the rules themselves allow the masters infinite room to coerce their slaves. There can always be consequences because they are neither free nor independent. And if they don't like the actual act then the only other sensible reason for them accepting is that their decision is being influenced by such consequences.
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Well, This is just a game. The first time I played it I was surprised, it's a fantasy game, it's a sexual game. I do not know where this discussion took place and I do not know what's going on, but fantasy games are particularly meant for people who want some kind of fantasy, I'm not saying that it's an influence on practicing something, but it's just a game where you will work your hand.
Sorry but I can't wait for 0.7 tomorrow.
Sorry but I can't wait for 0.7 tomorrow.
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Umm I don't like foot jobs or Futa,
So can Runey change the game and remove those 2 scenes?,
Simply because i don't like it and don't see how it benefits the games story?.
Nah its part of a story being told by someone else that is done well, Even if it has a few scenes I'm not into.
I can always ignore a scene or two that I'm not into, if the story is good and the game is fun.
After all its a fictional world and the characters are NOT real people.
No point whining on about a scene or two that makes no sense to me!
So can Runey change the game and remove those 2 scenes?,
Simply because i don't like it and don't see how it benefits the games story?.
Nah its part of a story being told by someone else that is done well, Even if it has a few scenes I'm not into.
I can always ignore a scene or two that I'm not into, if the story is good and the game is fun.
After all its a fictional world and the characters are NOT real people.
No point whining on about a scene or two that makes no sense to me!
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Tomorrow isn't the public release, it's the Pre Release ($20). 5 days after will be the Pre Release ($5). 1 Week after will be the public release.
I think all of those bugs from Beta 3 - 5 have been fixed by now, but there will be bugs in the Pre Release ($20) version. Unless I somehow managed to not make a single bug, that would be surprising.
Could still come out on here tomorrow if it's leaked. But I just mean to say it wont be the bug free public release you may have expected.
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Woot Public release around the time of my Birthday
And I'm a $5 supporter so an early Bday present from runey.
I LOVE YOU RUNEY!
And I'm a $5 supporter so an early Bday present from runey.
I LOVE YOU RUNEY!
By the way, this has been being posted in discord, but I'm streaming. I'm not doing main character story content, so it's not terribly spoilerific.
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learn python & ren'py, and download the needed assets of Honey Select, then make a mod, and if it works & you like it, talk to Runey about posting it, if you want to share that is.
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Runey One of these days you should make Ashley cosplay as an elf, it could be neat to watch.
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Nowhere near, next update is in around 2 weeks time
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Did you read the last couple of pages before posting this?
It's only 1 month late. This is due to me having to remake all of Ashley's content to please Patreon, and I've been sick during the process of developing v0.7 (I'm not sick any more).