VN Ren'Py Harem Hotel [v0.18.2] [Runey]

[alex2011]

There are none so deaf as those who will not listen. Other people told it too, like Segnbora (sorry to tag you, dude, you're simply the closest in the thread I remember): it's a matter of TIME REQUIRED TO CHECK EVERYTHING. Nothing else. Making informations harder to collect don't add valuable play time.
A common thing in development is that "what is easy for the dev make user's experience harder, and what makes user's experience easier will make development harder". Someone has to "pay" the complexity and spend time: there is no free lunch.

You didn't get the analogy. Probably you never used a text terminal - not a problem in itself, the analogy was intended for a developper, and not an user. If you never made a cat piped to a grep from a /dev file, you won't get it.

No, not at all, not even CLOSE to "fine". UI is awfully primitive and non-ergonomic - far from the "three-clicks rule", if you know what it is - if you don't, search on Internet, I won't teach a computer UI design course here. It isn't a hard-coded rule, but a goal that you should try to reach in all UI you can design.

Try the mod with an older version, MAYBE you'll understand. I mean really USE the mod, instead of doing what you usually do, and not simply load it, THEN maybe you'll understand.
Basically, you're telling me "I think it's useless, but I never tried it and don't want to, and I don't want to understand how it can be more comfortable WITHOUT spoiling ANYTHING in either the game itself or the story".

Therefore, there is no need to discuss anymore, because there is no debate and only ideology, there.

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Time as in a matter of minutes, it doesn't take that long. Nothing is harder to collect, it is all there and ready to be read at the player's request, AKA clicking the correct option to display the desired piece of information. I'm aware of that line about easy for developer vs easy for user, but I am on the user side of that line and it is just as easy for me as it is for Runey.

I see, it isn't that I didn't get the analogy, more like I didn't even realize it was supposed to be an analogy, my fault on that. I am a developer myself, just not for public use and not on this game.

Yes, it is fine as is. If you're looking for something that falls into the three clicks rule, sandbox VN is not the genre you want. I DID try the mod with older versions, in fact, I just came off of a modded 0.12.4 and saw no benefit of adapting anything the mod added to the core game systems. I'm not telling you I think it's useless, I'm telling you that it technically IS useless. It is fun to mess around with for things like quickly swapping the sanctuary routes without playing the game over from the start, but it provides nothing that the game doesn't provide already except MAYBE restoring the content for one removed character and that in itself does not qualify as useful.

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Wouldn't it be better: Hey babe, want to show me your stargate?
I bet most of them do wouldn't understand it and the rest would probably take you to on your offer or smack you. I assume more of the latter though.

But what if one unironically takes you to an actual Stargate?

Maybe someone here should try it next time they go to a club or something, you know, for scientific research purposes.

Or at a sci-fi convention, would probably have better luck getting a girl who understands the reference there, but that comes at a higher slap risk.

 

[Deleted member 929426]

Or at a sci-fi convention, would probably have better luck getting a girl who understands the reference there, but that comes at a higher slap risk.

I confess that there may have been a couple of sci-fi conventions I attended where I stuffed a tribble down my pants and asked girls if they wanted to pet it.

 

[Deleted member 4298851]

I confess that there may have been a couple of sci-fi conventions I attended where I stuffed a tribble down my pants and asked girls if they wanted to pet it.

Holy shit!!!!

I love this thread!

 

[Krabe]

Now in Intro there is Elen+2 elves.
Elves are slaves. Has long lifespan. Kinda long term purchase.
And when player came into hotel Elen says that all maids excepts one(Lin, totally new one) left.

So, did they were buried along with MC grandpa to serve him in the afterlife?

 

[Corvus Belli]

it's not complicated.

Again, no-one is saying it's complicated.

And if you ARE like me, and do them a lot, then why do you need to be told what ones are done?

Clearly, the guy's NOT like you. Like I said, not everyone consumes game content the same way.

Why would we think people said it was complicated? Because people are whining that some walk through mod is not holding their dick as they play.

No, he isn't. He's saying the game does not contan an efficent way to check certain information. That's a VERY different thing. If you want to disagree with the dude, then disagree with what he's actually saying.

By asking why is is so hard, we mean, why do you need this info? Of what import is it? What value is it? Why is it worth changing the game over?

No-one is saying to "change the game". The guy is saying to "improve the UI". Those are two VERY different things.

The menu tells you how many times you did each event.

No, it doesn't. It tells you how many exhibitionism points you've earned. That's not the same thing. In order to see what scenes you've unlocked, you need to talk to each girl individually then go to their exhibitionism scene hub (cafe or beach), which is nowhere near as quick or efficient a process as the option that Lain's mod included.

Even with Autumn's, if you can't remember which one you are on without looking at the menu, you should at least remember if you did the last one in the chain or not.

Why should they remember? They might have last played the game three months ago; why would you expect them to remember everything they did and did not do in a game they play irregularly?
Again, the fact that you've played through nearly 900 days, and others have played through 23 times, are not the only ways to play the game.

I just don't get why this one matters, if you are not doing the event.

You don't need to get it. The guy (and others like him) are telling you that they found the mod helpful, as an efficient hub for seeing certain information at-a-glance. The fact that you personally don't care about having that information so readily available is irrelevant; they do care, and they're telling you they care.
What he is saying is very clearly "I like access to information in an efficient way", and the response he's been getting is "but you can see the information just as easily by spending twenty five minutes clicking through eight different conversations, so why do you want a faster way to see that information?"

 

[Mathesar]

Now in Intro there is Elen+2 elves.
Elves are slaves. Has long lifespan. Kinda long term purchase.
And when player came into hotel Elen says that all maids excepts one(Lin, totally new one) left.

So, did they were buried along with MC grandpa to serve him in the afterlife?

I'm pretty sure they were just sold to cover expenses.

 

[Deleted member 929426]

Now in Intro there is Elen+2 elves.
Elves are slaves. Has long lifespan. Kinda long term purchase.
And when player came into hotel Elen says that all maids excepts one(Lin, totally new one) left.

So, did they were buried along with MC grandpa to serve him in the afterlife?

Where do you think we get the fertilizer for the garden?

 

[Nakasan]

why wont any of my saved games work ?

 

[Wafflewaffuru]

why wont any of my saved games work ?

you used Lain's mod. The saves aren't going to be compatible without it.

 

[Nakasan]

you used Lain's mod. The saves aren't going to be compatible without it.

i take it that means start from scratch or is there a way to fix the saves ?

 

[Deleted member 4298851]

i take it that means start from scratch or is there a way to fix the saves ?

Start from the beginning I'm afraid

 

[Sunflare]

Anyone know what scenes are missing?


I think it is Moon 's one which his strange because I had the events

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[TheDevian]

Was sure I did. It's the issue where I cannot continue lin's story without android having the kit. If anything I just completed her story and I still cannot talk to lin

You are not supposed be able to buy the kit until it tells you to in the story, and you give it to her as part of the story. Not sure about the bug...

Now in Intro there is Elen+2 elves.
Elves are slaves. Has long lifespan. Kinda long term purchase.
And when player came into hotel Elen says that all maids excepts one(Lin, totally new one) left.

So, did they were buried along with MC grandpa to serve him in the afterlife?

It stated that they were sold after his death, or at least used to...
I assume there were a lot of bills and taxes to pay.

Again, no-one is saying it's complicated.


Clearly, the guy's NOT like you. Like I said, not everyone consumes game content the same way.


No, he isn't. He's saying the game does not contan an efficent way to check certain information. That's a VERY different thing. If you want to disagree with the dude, then disagree with what he's actually saying.


No-one is saying to "change the game". The guy is saying to "improve the UI". Those are two VERY different things.


No, it doesn't. It tells you how many exhibitionism points you've earned. That's not the same thing. In order to see what scenes you've unlocked, you need to talk to each girl individually then go to their exhibitionism scene hub (cafe or beach), which is nowhere near as quick or efficient a process as the option that Lain's mod included.


Why should they remember? They might have last played the game three months ago; why would you expect them to remember everything they did and did not do in a game they play irregularly?
Again, the fact that you've played through nearly 900 days, and others have played through 23 times, are not the only ways to play the game.


You don't need to get it. The guy (and others like him) are telling you that they found the mod helpful, as an efficient hub for seeing certain information at-a-glance. The fact that you personally don't care about having that information so readily available is irrelevant; they do care, and they're telling you they care.
What he is saying is very clearly "I like access to information in an efficient way", and the response he's been getting is "but you can see the information just as easily by spending twenty five minutes clicking through eight different conversations, so why do you want a faster way to see that information?"

Okay, you are clearly not reading what I said. When I said "if you are like me", I also said "and repeat the the events". You either do them once and move on, easy to forget, or you are like me, and repeat them, there are not a lot of variations there...

I also explained what I meant by 'complicated', why do you care about this useless information? If you can't even read the responses, I am done discussing this.

Then make a mod yourself, if you want it so badly.

 

[Deleted member 929426]

You are not supposed be able to buy the kit until it tells you to in the story, and you give it to her as part of the story. Not sure about the bug...

I remember some players having problems with Android's Human Kit, and Runey confirmed it was a bug. Supposedly, it was fixed for v0.14.1 but I haven't seen it released yet.

It stated that they were sold after his death, or at least used to...
I assume there were a lot of bills and taxes to pay.

Maybe we'll see some of the elves Grandpa had at some point in the future.

 

[约翰·西娜]

Haven't played this game in a while, forgot how great it was.
9.5/10 the only thing that's missing is some redhead action.
+15 social credit points

 

[TheDevian]

Anyone know what scenes are missing?
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I think it is Moon 's one which his strange because I had the events

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One is going to Moon's house, 2 is her playing games with Kali and Emma, 3 is going to her treehouse.

I remember some players having problems with Android's Human Kit, and Runey confirmed it was a bug. Supposedly, it was fixed for v0.14.1 but I haven't seen it released yet.


Maybe we'll see some of the elves Grandpa had at some point in the future.

Oh, right, I remember that now, too early to think clearly. lol

Don't remember too well, since I haven't fully replayed, though I did see some of those new images, though I always did want that nice brunette that was introduced with Ellen in the old version, I think she was also a half elf with clipped ears (at least that is how I rationalized it).

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One is going to Moon's house, 2 is her playing games with Kali and Emma, 3 is going to her treehouse.
Oh, right, I remember that now, too early to think clearly. lol

Don't remember too well, since I haven't fully replayed, though I did see some of those new images, though I always did want that nice brunette that was introduced with Ellen in the old version, I think she was also a half elf with clipped ears (at least that is how I rationalized it).

I just looked and Runey has posted v0.14.1 on the Patreon page.

 

[freedom.call]

You are not supposed be able to buy the kit until it tells you to in the story, and you give it to her as part of the story. Not sure about the bug...

I went back and looked at the footage (in slow mo) of Lin tripping in the lobby and determined she tripped on a bug, big bug. Very big. Great bug.

I'm not cut out for this writing thing.

 

[TheDevian]

I went back and looked at the footage (in slow mo) of Lin tripping in the lobby and determined she tripped on a bug, big bug. Very big. Great bug.

I'm not cut out for this writing thing.

She needs a bigger hammer!

 

[freedom.call]

I just looked and Runey has posted v0.14.1 on the Patreon page.

Think I'll pass unless I encounter bugs.