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Can we all finally agree that it's the dumbest game designer decision to have multiple perspective choices which are one specific perspective or all perspectives and NOT HAVE AN OPTION FOR EACH OF THE SPECIFIC PERSPECTIVES?!? What the hell is even the point then?? I couldn't give less of a shit what anyone else's thoughts in that situation are, I want to witness the story from one perspective that isn't the one being cucked...

Seriously, it's right there. I loved the first game this developer made BECAUSE IT HAD THAT OPTION. God damn it... I wouldn't be this annoyed by this if it wasn't so god damn common. If the devs want to make a game with one perspective or all perspectives, that's fine, that's how they want to tell the story. But fuck this middle ground bullshit.

Ironically it's the netori fans that get cucked the most when it comes to perspectives in these games...
It's a netorare game lol. Why would there be a netori POV?
 

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Can we all finally agree that it's the dumbest game designer decision to have multiple perspective choices which are one specific perspective or all perspectives and NOT HAVE AN OPTION FOR EACH OF THE SPECIFIC PERSPECTIVES?!? What the hell is even the point then?? I couldn't give less of a shit what anyone else's thoughts in that situation are, I want to witness the story from one perspective that isn't the one being cucked...

Seriously, it's right there. I loved the first game this developer made BECAUSE IT HAD THAT OPTION. God damn it... I wouldn't be this annoyed by this if it wasn't so god damn common. If the devs want to make a game with one perspective or all perspectives, that's fine, that's how they want to tell the story. But fuck this middle ground bullshit.

Ironically it's the netori fans that get cucked the most when it comes to perspectives in these games...
this dev never made a netori game.
By his first game you mean 'the edge of'?
 

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It's a netorare game lol. Why would there be a netori POV?
There are SO MANY reasons that I could write a damn book about it, but let's pick the top few.

Imagine going to a restaurant and them selling fries for 1€ or burger and fries for 1€, but not just the burger. Why not? Why do I have to throw away the fries (skip the scenes from one perspective) if I just want the burger? Sure, it's cool that the burger doesn't cost extra, but I hate fries and throwing away food, so now I'm not getting the burger either. That's a loss for the restaurant, not me who can go buy a different burger elsewhere.

And second one is because why would the dev NOT have all three options? If the paths were netorare/netori/both then someone who wanted both could enjoy the paths how THEY want to. First watch the full netorare path then the full netori path or just start with both to switch between the two after each scene. If the dev REALLY CARED how people experience the story they wouldn't have two perspective options in the first place.

And tying to that last point, it's a porn game. Netori is just netorare, but with slightly less context. Why wouldn't they copy paste all perspectives and just remove the the cuck perspective from that if it meant they would cater to a whole new audience without removing anything from the main audience? Or any solution like option to skip the scenes for specific perspectives, who cares how they achieve it. I can't think of a reason why they wouldn't do it.
 
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this dev never made a netori game.
By his first game you mean 'the edge of'?
Yes? I'm absolutely certain to never have played the husbands perspective, only the wife's, meaning it quite literally was a netori game for me. Because it's actually that easy to turn most of these games to both netorare and netori games in one serving, just have the third option of ignoring the netorare perspective.
 
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There are SO MANY reasons that I could write a damn book about it, but let's pick the top few.

Imagine going to a restaurant and them selling fries for 1€ or burger and fries for 1€, but not just the burger. Why not? Why do I have to throw away the fries (skip the scenes from one perspective) if I just want the burger? Sure, it's cool that the burger doesn't cost extra, but I hate fries and throwing away food, so now I'm not getting the burger either. That's a loss for the restaurant, not me who can go buy a different burger elsewhere.

And second one is because why would the dev NOT have all three options? If the paths were netorare/netori/both then someone who wanted both could enjoy the paths how THEY want to. First watch the full netorare path then the full netori path or just start with both to switch between the two after each scene. If the dev REALLY CARED how people experience the story they wouldn't have two perspective options in the first place.

And tying to that last point, it's a porn game. Netori is just netorare, but with slightly less context. Why wouldn't they copy paste all perspectives and just remove the the cuck perspective from that if it meant they would cater to a whole new audience without removing anything from the main audience? Or any solution like option to skip the scenes for specific perspectives, who cares how they achieve it. I can't think of a reason why they wouldn't do it.
The dev doesn't have a netori POV because it's not a netori game? It's not that complicated
 

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The dev doesn't have a netori POV because it's not a netori game? It's not that complicated
But it does though. It's right there in the all pov's option, except it's mixed with the default pov for no reason. Because that's what I don't get at all. Even for netorare fans, if you already watched the netorare pov, why would you want to see it again while watching the other pov? Or if you want all perspectives right away, but want them netori first, then netorare, like how a lot of netorare manga is like, why can't you?

And as for your argument, even if we ignore that it's false (the game does have netori pov as part of all perspectives) that isn't how an argument works. A statement of how something is isn't an argument for whether it should like it is. That is just reiterating the statement while disguising it as an argument without reasoning the statement.
To prove my point, let's uno reverse it. The game doesn't have a netori only pov, because it doesn't have it is true and not complicated. You are right. But it should have it because it should have it. It's not that complicated

Games are a dynamic medium so why not make it enjoyable for as many as possible, when the addition doesn't take away from enjoyment of others? Only the dev can make the argument that they don't want to add something, which is fair and they obviously don't have to, but that doesn't make my argument any less true. If the dev made your argument, I would accept that. It would also make me rate the game 1/5 stars, knowing the dev doesn't want me to enjoy it, so I would rate it accordingly as the dev wants me to experience it.
 

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But it does though.
As per VNDB, “Netori is a counterpart tag to , however instead of playing as someone who has his significant lover stolen, you play as the one doing the stealing.”

This is subject to change as anything else, but there is no indication that we’ll ever get Dex’s perspective (I'll double check if Dex's internal monologue ever shows up and correct myself if necessary). It's always been limited to Kate and Johnny's.

Even for netorare fans, if you already watched the netorare pov, why would you want to see it again while watching the other pov?
The two perspectives aren't the same? I like FMC NTR.

Games are a dynamic medium so why not make it enjoyable for as many as possible, when the addition doesn't take away from enjoyment of others?
Sure, it'd be nice to separate out all the POV's in theory, but this isn't HC's first rodeo. If there was a demand for distinct POV's, then he'd satisfy that demand. It just isn't there. The majority of players are fine with the way things are.
 
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As per VNDB, “Netori is a counterpart tag to , however instead of playing as someone who has his significant lover stolen, you play as the one doing the stealing.”

This is subject to change as anything else, but there is no indication that we’ll ever get Dex’s perspective (I'll double check if Dex's internal monologue ever shows up and correct myself if necessary). It's always been limited to Kate and Johnny's.

The two perspectives aren't the same? I like FMC NTR.

Sure, it'd be nice to separate out all the POV's in theory, but this isn't HC's first rodeo. If there was a demand for distinct POV's, then he'd satisfy that demand. It just isn't there. The majority of players are fine with the way things are.
Huh? Okay so I'mma be clear, netori, netorare, ntr, crt, brb and netoratawakamanraoaseidfkks whatever, I might have misworded myself a bit wrong there because honestly, the NTR terminology is such a fucking mess that my dyslexic ass would rather not try anymore. So it's cuck PoV, other PoV's and all PoV's now instead. I want the devs to just give other PoV's as they currently are in the game, but without having to see the cuck PoV at the same time. No added content needed, just rechaining the same events for a third PoV. Almost no work at all.

And don't give me that rodeo argument, time in field doesn't equal skill or good decision making. If it did, the dev wouldn't have lost several hundreds of potential dollars from me alone, which other very similar devs have gotten from me instead. How? By having sensible PoV options in their games. Because having that option is the most added fetish genre potential with the least amount of effort and no matter how much I like the art, I refuse to pay for that kind of lack of interest in the player experience.
 

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Huh? Okay so I'mma be clear, netori, netorare, ntr, crt, brb and netoratawakamanraoaseidfkks whatever, I might have misworded myself a bit wrong there because honestly, the NTR terminology is such a fucking mess that my dyslexic ass would rather not try anymore. So it's cuck PoV, other PoV's and all PoV's now instead. I want the devs to just give other PoV's as they currently are in the game, but without having to see the cuck PoV at the same time. No added content needed, just rechaining the same events for a third PoV. Almost no work at all.

And don't give me that rodeo argument, time in field doesn't equal skill or good decision making. If it did, the dev wouldn't have lost several hundreds of potential dollars from me alone, which other very similar devs have gotten from me instead. How? By having sensible PoV options in their games. Because having that option is the most added fetish genre potential with the least amount of effort and no matter how much I like the art, I refuse to pay for that kind of lack of interest in the player experience.
What games have those distinct POV options that you’re talking about?
 

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What games have those distinct POV options that you’re talking about?
As in cuck pov, all pov's and other? Can't remember any with all three, but the important two (cuck pov and other pov's) off the top off my head, The Edge Of and Turning the Page. Have to take some points from Azienda for the new game that looks like it'll be back to the stupid formula of cuck PoV and All PoV's. There are some Japanese ones that unlock the other PoV's after "playing" the cuck PoV (aka downloading a full save solves that) but I can't think of their names right now.

Either way, I still can't think of a reason for WHY any dev would only do the stupid combo of PoV's instead of just doing three. I don't even want any devs to remove the all PoV's, just splice together a damn third option, it's not that difficult...
 

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He Maid Her Fall

I'm waiting for one animation right now. Since all the scenes for this game are animated, it's always difficult to know if I'm going to make it, but for now, we should be okay for this month and hopefully next month as well. The action should slowly ramp up, though, I do have a few complaints with the release this month. But we'll talk more about it when it does come out.

I think I should be able to release V0.5.3 around the 8th, next week.
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