VN Ren'Py He Maid Her Fall [v0.7.0] [Hangover Cat]

[JagOvv SmearOvv]

He is only unhappy now because he is weak. He was raised to be a mama's boy and an artist. If he were military and strong with discipline, he would have everything he wanted.

Except if he married or got a girlfriend while in the military, he would certainly be cheated on lol

 

[WankerDxD]

Johnny suffered the fate of being the son of a single mother, and to make matters worse, a bad one! If Johnny had been raised by his grandmother, he would be stronger than Dex.

I didn't play the last update (No heroes), but I still don't trust the grandma after meeting Lesley, after the meeting, Lesley didn't care about MC building his muscles anymore and she kept hanging with the other guy in the gym.

I felt like Lesley really like MC, but as Beta male that allows her to be more free.

 

[Shiki05]

The catalyst for the story is Kate. She didn't raise a son, she raised a pet. He has to do and live everything she wants, not what he wants, and now that he's trying to do something for himself, she sees it as an offense and has gone crazy, manipulating and ruining his life because it's supposedly better for her. She's a psychopath!

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That's not entirely true. The catalyst is Johnny. His actions and lack of actions are what affect everything. Kate does everything she does with Dexter to stop Johnny's bullying. Because Johnny can't wipe his own ass (Though that is Kate's fault).

And it's not that Kate is mad Johnny has a will of his own. She's been more than supportive with his passion for art and his desire to pursue an art career. Even encouraging and reminding him about the goals he decided for himself. Her problem with Johnny pursuing Lesley is precisely because it's Lesley. She knows that Lesley's manipulating him. She knows what kind of person Lesley is. Yes, she has attachment and abandonment issues, but those don't have anything to do with Why she doesn't want him to pursue Lesley. Let's not forget that Johnny pursuing Lesley has been what pushes Kate's relationship with Dexter further. Because whenever Johnny progresses with Lesley, Kate has to do more to keep Dexter from hurting Johnny. Which makes Johnny the catalyst not Kate.

Kate has always been supportive with Johnny's choices. Except when it came to other girls. But I don't think we can just say that she hates the idea of Johnny getting a gf, since the whenever she opposes Johnny getting close to a girl, it's a girl she hates.
Kate hates Lesley and Jacqueline. Kate just might not want Johnny to get close to them because she knows they're both manipulating him for their own desires.

 

[Komdot]

Except if he married or got a girlfriend while in the military, he would certainly be cheated on lol

That's less bad than what's to come. The game will only have one ending, and it will be a brutal one. Just imagine how he'll end up in all this...

I didn't play the last update (No heroes), but I still don't trust the grandma after meeting Lesley, after the meeting, Lesley didn't care about MC building his muscles anymore and she kept hanging with the other guy in the gym.

I felt like Lesley really like MC, but as Beta male that allows her to be more free.

There isn't much about Jaqueline in this update, but it shows that Lesley is indeed a gold digger, so she will do anything to get Johnny for herself, put him in the army while she uses his fortune with Gavin.

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It definitely isn't. Everything Kate got involved in was because of her and because she wanted to. It starts with her agreeing to work in the house of the bully who burned her son's face, and now she does all this with that bully, including a plan to isolate her own son with emotional blackmail.

You must be playing a different game, it doesn't make sense, the game doesn't hide Kate's psychopathy and hypocrisy, she literally does the same things that bad women in her opinion (Kate and Jaqueline) do. The only one who really wanted something good for Johnny is Jaqueline, because she knows how bad Kate is as a mother. Johnny being an artist is Kate's dream, not his, which is more common than it seems. She doesn't want Johnny with any woman. Before she knew who Lesley was, she was already upset that Johnny could have another woman besides her on his mind... In the end, it's Lesley and Kate manipulating Johnny to be what they want, but Kate is much more cruel and mentally ill.

 

[Shiki05]

It definitely isn't. Everything Kate got involved in was because of her and because she wanted to. It starts with her agreeing to work in the house of the bully who burned her son's face, and now she does all this with that bully, including a plan to isolate her own son with emotional blackmail.

Kate only did that because of Jacqueline and her constant belittlement. She was against it completely but she did it because Jacqueline kept demeaning her. She did it because she felt there was no other way. And if we want to go back, the offer only came because Johnny was being bullied in the first place. Therefore Johnny again becomes the catalyst
As for the plan. I can't comment on since I stopped after she fucked Dexter the first time.

Johnny being an artist is Kate's dream, not his, which is more common than it seems.

Johnny literally says he wanted to do it after seeing how his mother performed and moved people.

The only one who really wanted something good for Johnny is Jaqueline

She wanted to morph Johnny to her desires. Let's not forget that she's living in a mansion and a lavish lifestyle for years while Kate and Johnny barely got by. I know Kate prevented contact with her. But after that Jacqueline still didn't bother to support or help them. Instead kept insulting Kate and trying to pull Johnny towards her. She's just as manipulating though she is more discreet.

You must be playing a different game, it doesn't make sense, the game doesn't hide Kate's psychopathy and hypocrisy, she literally does the same things that bad women in her opinion (Kate and Jaqueline) do.

I don't deny she is. But she isn't like Lesley or Jacqueline at all. She does try to help Johnny. She is the only one who cares about Johnny in her own twisted way. She makes deals to protect Johnny and stop he's bullying. And if not for Johnny pursuing Lesley, Kate would never have touched Dexter sexually once.
She isn't like Lesley or Jacqueline that want to use Johnny for their own plans. She just wants to keep Johnny with her. She's more than comfortable with Johnny following his dreams.

She doesn't want Johnny with any woman. Before she knew who Lesley was, she was already upset that Johnny could have another woman besides her on his mind... In the end, it's Lesley and Kate manipulating Johnny to be what they want, but Kate is much more cruel and mentally ill.

Again, though I can see why you come to that conclusion, I don't think that's entirely true. If Johnny brought home a girl that didn't want to monopolize him, one that Kate liked. I think she'd be okay with that. But since Johnny only has girls around him that Kate hates, we can't draw that conclusion decisively.
Yes, she was upset but it was more shock and concern because it never happened before. And the moment she knew Johnny was involved with a girl was when she was talking to Dexter who immediately told her Lesley is his girlfriend, so of course she'd be against Johnny pursuing another man's girl.
Lastly. I can't comment on Kate manipulating him since at the point I am (after the first sex with Dexter) she didn't. But it's clear Jacqueline is manipulating Johnny, though in a more subtle way.

 

[RedaiaXX]

The thing is that because of the tropes the execution is irrelevant. The tropes just pile up until you have the exact same story as any other NTR. There's a difference between using certain aspects of a story and reusing the whole story.
Take HMHF, There's barely any difference between it and any other bully x mother NTR, once he went down the blackmail path he threw away the only unique aspect it had.
Further, having a protagonist that might as well just not exist isn't good writing. Johnny is more of a plot device than a protagonist, having him know what to do and choose not to do it for seemingly no reason, and just forget about the problem 5 minutes later isn't good writing.
There's so many times he knows he should do something about his mother's situation and even if he doesn't have courage in the moment, it makes no sense for him to just forget about and ignore the issues he sees. Like Dexter sending him a picture of his mother in the shower, he has no reason not to tell her about it, the same when Dexter sent him a picture of her ass. Having him just completely forget about that event when the next scene comes along is just bad writing. Even if he is a coward, he's written to love his mother and have her well being as his most important desire, yet during the game nothing he does shows this.Having a character act as a blatant plot device instead of a character isn't good writing, it's not like he can't but he continuously throws out Johnnys character in order to have him make decisions his character wouldn't normally make. The same for other characters. He pushes the plot onto the characters instead of letting the characters carry the plot. For example, Kate is supposed to be a smart and strong woman,yet she never tries to make any effort to change things that doesn't serve NTR. She could find evidence of Dexter's bullying and his father's corruption and go to the police, she has access to their house, yet she never even tries. You could make a good NTR by not doing what HC and most other NTR artists do and have the characters you make be consistant with what you make them instead of having them contradict themselves in order to push the plot.

I agree that the characters arent 100% believable/realistics, nor should they be, since the premise of the universe is to be a porn game first and foremost, and porn games work with certain dogmas, in this case, the fetishes of the audience. Between us, 99% of these plots would be resolved with a call to the police making an unofficial report.

Look, I didnt say that HC is Shakespeare, I said that within the genre, this guy has a disproportionately superior performance.


And no matter how much you deny it in your discourse, look at the surroundings, people are actively interested in discussing the psyche of the characters, the psyche of the characters in a porn game, man! ABSOLUTE SUCCESS!

 

[Lorenz1]

Still no update

it's not worth it. Save yourself some time

Hangover games are the kind it's only worth of playing when they are mostly over