VN Ren'Py He Maid Her Fall [v0.7.3] [Hangover Cat]

[Miracle.]

The only reason she was blackmailed into sex was because Dexter caught Lesley giving Johnny a Handjob and was about to kill him. If Johnny stayed away from Leslie like he should've then Dex and Kate would never even progress past a Handjob. Johnny's relationship with Lesley was a catalyst for progress between Dexter and Kate.

The main focus of the game is Kate anyways, the Lesley and Johnny thing just serves a plot device/foil to further there story. Still hoping that we get Johnny as the next antagonist if ever this one gets a sequel because HOOH boy, do I want to see the comeback of an underdog.

Honestly I blame both Johnny and Kate for letting this sort of thing happened, we already know that Kate is doing this because he doesn't want the only family member of hers to leave her behind in WHICH will be fulfilled by Dexter in the upcoming patches. As for Johnny if he just decided of his own to be in the military and actually man up for both Kate and Leslie then he could still probably redeem himself (granted Johnny has to be literally soulless and spineless asf because it wouldn't be a hardcore NTR game if the MC actually decides to fight back).

As for Leslie, I really couldn't careless if she's with Gavin because fuck that bitch .

 

[Shiki05]

The main focus of the game is Kate anyways, the Lesley and Johnny thing just serves a plot device/foil to further there story. Still hoping that we get Johnny as the next antagonist if ever this one gets a sequel because HOOH boy, do I want to see the comeback of an underdog.

Honestly I blame both Johnny and Kate for letting this sort of thing happened, we already know that Kate is doing this because he doesn't want the only family member of hers to leave her behind in WHICH will be fulfilled by Dexter in the upcoming patches. As for Johnny if he just decided of his own to be in the military and actually man up for both Kate and Leslie then he could still probably redeem himself (granted Johnny has to be literally soulless and spineless asf because it wouldn't be a hardcore NTR game if the MC actually decides to fight back).

As for Leslie, I really couldn't careless if she's with Gavin because fuck that bitch .

It is both of their fault, but i'd still blame Johnny more, since he's constantly seeing red flags and choosing to ignore them, like Dexter sent a picture of his mother in the shower and he just doesn't give a shit, you can't tell me that's someone who loves his mother. For Kate, she should've confronted Johnny about Lesley and put a proper end to the relationship but author needed a reason to go to blackmail

While it would be cool to see him become an antagonist, I'm not gonna hold my breath on it

 

[Gu Yue Fang Yuan]

0.7.3 When will the hero appear?

 

[John Hentai1102]

Honestly, Johnny deserves it all.
He keeps saying how important his mother is yet drops her the second Lesley smiles it him. Keeps digging his own grave by being a wimpy simp (but honestly Kate should have just confronted him about Lesley and be done with it) and doesn't even love his mother enough to actually do anything. He is 18 yet can't tell when someone's giving a handjob, and can't recognise semen on Lesley's face.

I say its his fault and not his fault at the same time

its his fault for not standing up for himself and allowing himself to be dragged along with Lesley no matter what

but its also not his fault cause A. if he DOES do that he's likely to end up in a even worse spot since if he doesnt want to associate with lesley and gavin and then their group ends up continuing to bully him Kate would likely fall much faster due to wanting Dex to do something about it (either he does it and the fact he goes out of his way to "help" johnny makes her fall faster or he blackmails her harder cause he wants something out of it)

B. he's being manipulated, the guy is clearly for lack of a better term a fucking loser Virgin, the guy never had much attention outside of anyone but his mom , so hes tunnel visioning on the first girl who gives him affection (even if said girl has red flags the size of the moon)

I think the biggest thing he's at fault though for is going for the girlfriend of the guy who bullied him.

thats literally asking for death

 

[RedaiaXX]

Its curious to see how emotionally involved people are getting with this plot. Regardless of whether you approve of HC's narrative choices or not, you have to admit that the guy is the epitome of NTR literature

However, I remain an UNCONDITIONAL SUPPORTER of Johnny as a future antagonist in a sequel, pouring all his despair and pain onto generations yet to be conceived, a generation cursed even in the corrupted maternal womb, their lives eternally compromised by the stigma of a cuckolds revenge! This concept, combined with HC's writing skill, will make him the Homer of NTRs

HC, LOOK, LOOK AT THE GOLD IN YOUR HANDS!

 

[Shiki05]

Regardless of whether you approve of HC's narrative choices or not, you have to admit that the guy is the epitome of NTR literature

I'd have to disagree. He heavily relies on NTR cliches throughout his works, it just comes off as unfun seeing him give the exact same type of events as an h-doujin. He doesn't really provide anything interesting or unique as far as NTR goes. His antagonists are the same type of massive cock, endless stamina and endless ejaculation assholes you find in any other work. The same for his protagonists, dumbed down to a useless level and stripped of any agency. Who never once lift a finger to stop the NTR or help their loved one.

 

[RedaiaXX]

I'd have to disagree. He heavily relies on NTR cliches throughout his works, it just comes off as unfun seeing him give the exact same type of events as an h-doujin. He doesn't really provide anything interesting or unique as far as NTR goes. His antagonists are the same type of massive cock, endless stamina and endless ejaculation assholes you find in any other work. The same for his protagonists, dumbed down to a useless level and stripped of any agency. Who never once lift a finger to stop the NTR or help their loved one.

I completely agree that HC uses common NTR tropes, but that's not a problem at all, because what really matters is the execution, which is definitely far above average.

Just as using heroes in a superhero movie doesn't make the movie bad, stories have repeated patterns for millennials. The "hero's journey/monomyth," for example, has been observed since the oldest myths, and even today it's a plot mechanism, and when well executed, it results in good stories

Its something youre not thinking about; good writing doesnt mean reinventing the wheel, in this case, the genre

 

[galeforce10]

Are all these people discussing previous blackmailing or the 0.7.3 update?

 

[John Hentai1102]

Are all these people discussing previous blackmailing or the 0.7.3 update?

yepperoni

 

[ryg88]

yepperoni

A mathematician's answer

 

[Miracle.]

Johnny will then proceed go to full Punisher mode once he gets his special forces training.

JUDGE! JURY! EXECUTIONER!

 

[Miracle.]

I'd have to disagree. He heavily relies on NTR cliches throughout his works, it just comes off as unfun seeing him give the exact same type of events as an h-doujin. He doesn't really provide anything interesting or unique as far as NTR goes. His antagonists are the same type of massive cock, endless stamina and endless ejaculation assholes you find in any other work. The same for his protagonists, dumbed down to a useless level and stripped of any agency. Who never once lift a finger to stop the NTR or help their loved one.

On an another note, I do know that this thread is about HMHF but I do want to mention Azienda's latest work here regarding his protagonist. Sure it DOES follow the same formula however the MC isn't as spineless as the one here and actually makes a somewhat logical reason to make him fumble the bag. Overall I think the protagonist of HMHF has really good execution of humiliation and the feeling of helplessness but I think that FUNS payoff would be better off in the long run.

I mention this because I think that HC can incorporate some of the things Azienda does with his protagonist in FUNS and make them struggle in a way that they don't remove any kind of agency to the characters choices/decision in the game.

 

[Shiki05]

I completely agree that HC uses common NTR tropes, but that's not a problem at all, because what really matters is the execution, which is definitely far above average.

Just as using heroes in a superhero movie doesn't make the movie bad, stories have repeated patterns for millennials. The "hero's journey/monomyth," for example, has been observed since the oldest myths, and even today it's a plot mechanism, and when well executed, it results in good stories

Its something youre not thinking about; good writing doesnt mean reinventing the wheel, in this case, the genre

The thing is that because of the tropes the execution is irrelevant. The tropes just pile up until you have the exact same story as any other NTR. There's a difference between using certain aspects of a story and reusing the whole story.
Take HMHF, There's barely any difference between it and any other bully x mother NTR, once he went down the blackmail path he threw away the only unique aspect it had.
Further, having a protagonist that might as well just not exist isn't good writing. Johnny is more of a plot device than a protagonist, having him know what to do and choose not to do it for seemingly no reason, and just forget about the problem 5 minutes later isn't good writing.
There's so many times he knows he should do something about his mother's situation and even if he doesn't have courage in the moment, it makes no sense for him to just forget about and ignore the issues he sees. Like Dexter sending him a picture of his mother in the shower, he has no reason not to tell her about it, the same when Dexter sent him a picture of her ass. Having him just completely forget about that event when the next scene comes along is just bad writing. Even if he is a coward, he's written to love his mother and have her well being as his most important desire, yet during the game nothing he does shows this.Having a character act as a blatant plot device instead of a character isn't good writing, it's not like he can't but he continuously throws out Johnnys character in order to have him make decisions his character wouldn't normally make. The same for other characters. He pushes the plot onto the characters instead of letting the characters carry the plot. For example, Kate is supposed to be a smart and strong woman,yet she never tries to make any effort to change things that doesn't serve NTR. She could find evidence of Dexter's bullying and his father's corruption and go to the police, she has access to their house, yet she never even tries. You could make a good NTR by not doing what HC and most other NTR artists do and have the characters you make be consistant with what you make them instead of having them contradict themselves in order to push the plot.

 

[Komdot]

The catalyst for the story is Kate. She didn't raise a son, she raised a pet. He has to do and live everything she wants, not what he wants, and now that he's trying to do something for himself, she sees it as an offense and has gone crazy, manipulating and ruining his life because it's supposedly better for her. She's a psychopath!

It's worth remembering that Grandma Jaqueline always talks about how Kate changed her husband, who ends up dying. Add to that Lesley, who is another psychopath who likes to mold people to her way, and you have a fight between two psychopaths, and poor Johnny, who is discovering how the world works now, will be the victim of this fight.

 

[Komdot]

Johnny suffered the fate of being the son of a single mother, and to make matters worse, a bad one! If Johnny had been raised by his grandmother, he would be stronger than Dex.

 

[John Hentai1102]

Johnny suffered the fate of being the son of a single mother, and to make matters worse, a bad one! If Johnny had been raised by his grandmother, he would be stronger than Dex.

much stronger yes but most likely unhappier as well

his grandmother just seems like the sort of woman who wants to use him like she used his father

I dont doubt he'd be strong but with a woman like that he'd likely end up another Dex

 

[timurotbasaroglu]

much stronger yes but most likely unhappier as well

his grandmother just seems like the sort of woman who wants to use him like she used his father

I dont doubt he'd be strong but with a woman like that he'd likely end up another Dex

Clearly he won't be happy if things goes like this either. He is just a gutless coward and also brainless stupid who just ignores everything revolves around him.

 

[anon6525]

Still no update

 

[Komdot]

much stronger yes but most likely unhappier as well

He is only unhappy now because he is weak. He was raised to be a mama's boy and an artist. If he were military and strong with discipline, he would have everything he wanted.

 

[JagOvv SmearOvv]

He is only unhappy now because he is weak. He was raised to be a mama's boy and an artist. If he were military and strong with discipline, he would have everything he wanted.

Except if he married or got a girlfriend while in the military, he would certainly be cheated on lol