- Thread starter Xenorav
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i mean to each their own if thats what you think the division is between the two types of patrons you do you,i personally couldn't disagree more, but thats another topic, i was talking more so about the fact that there infact is something expected in return and that its not just donations out of goodwill but out of part taking in the mutually beneficial arrangement between developer and patrons, also i cant help but feel that you made the point of the two types of patrons as to invalidate the patrons' criticism of not being fairly reciprocated by just putting all patrons in either of the two categories, one of them being some sort of greedy swindler stereotype and the other category simply being how you would want people to act like, also why are you just saying things for the sake of saying things like, "those types will just sub for a grand total of 5 minutes to get whatever they want out of it then cancel immediately" i mean how would you ever know that? i think in reality almost everyone would agree that there are many different types of patrons out there with its vast diversity finding itself within this example too, but once again as i said thats a completely different topic so idk
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Nah, I'm not criticizing either type of patron. I'm not calling anyone greedy. I think both types of patrons are perfectly valid in their reasonings for spending their money the way they want and subbing for however long they want whether it be 5 minutes or 5 years.
As far as the patrons who feel they're "not being fairly reciprocated" well... they're probably not going to be patrons very long. They'll just stop subbing. No one has a gun to their head.
This whole thing is a bit of a tangent, but the bottom line for me is that I don't think the people who donate regularly to Xenorav - or any VN dev - feel like they're getting cheated out of anything by having to wait longer for some updates than others. I'd assume that like me, a lot of them have been donating to several devs for a while so this isn't their first rodeo. If they no longer have faith in the dev, then they just stop subbing. But it's a completely autonomous decision. They're not paying for a product, they're making a donation. That changes the dynamic of cost/value quite a bit, IMO.
And frankly, I think that while Xenorav isn't as consistent with updates as I'd like, I don't think he's trying to pull anything over on anyone like a few people here keep suggesting. In the end we're all going to fap away about 40% of our water weight once the update drops, but for now we just have to wait. So no reason to spoil the mood with complaints about the dev or negative speculations.
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Xenorav please release the update 
My dick is about to explode
My dick is about to explode
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you are not the only brotherXenorav please release the update
My dick is about to explode
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I think this comes down to 2 different opinions on what Patreon is. Some see it as a simple transaction, I give you money monthly in return for a product, the expectations and content of which are preferably clearly communicated and met on time.
Others treat it as supporting a creator they like for little to no exceptional treatment, much like donating to a streamer or whatever. You can't exactly say either is more correct and it's down to the creator to clarify which of the two they plan on responding to, some of that comes in the form of devs letting patrons vote on content or making extra stuff for each tier etc.
I haven't followed xeno for long enough to assume their intentions but if the updates do regularly come out around when subscriptions end then you have to admit the pattern shows a cynical method for boosting subscription numbers. It's not the best way for doing patreon but it's not like he's scamming anyone either, it's always ultimately your responsibility and choice in how you spend your money.
Also if the update isn't 99% Amelie I will cry.
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"Nah, I'm not criticizing either type of patron. I'm not calling anyone greedy. I think both types of patrons are perfectly valid in their reasonings for spending their money the way they want and subbing for however long they want whether it be 5 minutes or 5 years."so why did you even go on a tangent about there are two types of patrons in the first place? im calling
, and as far as your take goes on patrons who feel theyre not being fairly reciprocated, what your saying theyre probably going to do is literally one of the written down options in that patreon text you showed from their website, and once again i never disagreed to your point that theyre not being forced to do anything, i dont think anyone here is being forced to subscribe same way someone wouldnt be forced to go out and buy a bottle of water"but the bottom line for me is that I don't think the people who donate regularly to Xenorav - or any VN dev - feel like they're getting cheated out of anything by having to wait longer for some updates than others" you sure about that? lol yeah tell that to all the icsitor subscribers, and while your at it tell it to the people posting angry comments on xenoravs patreon. you said "I'd assume that like me, a lot of them have been donating to several devs for a while so this isn't their first rodeo." why would you assume that? you also said "They're not paying for a product, they're making a donation. That changes the dynamic of cost/value quite a bit, IMO." well then your opinion would be wrong because a subscription is a form of paying for a product, also you keep using the word donation, realise that the main people who are criticizing xenorav aren't donators but subscribers, i dont know who your arguing with about donations besides yourself, because i dont think ive seen a single comment regarding people who are donating and not people who are subscribing
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I love these threads of games that goes too long without updates.
It always (d)evolves into this exact same situation of people writing essays regarding the morality of devs supposedly milking their supporters and everything in between.
I've even taken part in some of those, it's good fun.
Keep up, boys.
It always (d)evolves into this exact same situation of people writing essays regarding the morality of devs supposedly milking their supporters and everything in between.
I've even taken part in some of those, it's good fun.
Keep up, boys.
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this is nice brother. I can see why this is one of my top two vn even though we don't have a good romance scene with Amelie yet. She is to die for.
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The last update was amazing, which is why all these people (including you, probably) are so obsessed with the next update.
The game is extremely popular. The constant complaining and bitching is the evidence. If the game was in trouble this thread would be a graveyard.
The last update was very weak in my opinion but the one before that was good.
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How so? We finally got to see Amelie topless and even got some sexual activity with her for the first time after six episodes of waiting. I guess I just don't remember what happened in the episode before last that would make it superior.
Was it some kind of Kylee content? And please don't tell me it was the pest (Stephanie).