Filipis

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I know this is somewhat of an older post, but I would like to point out, this kind of thought stifles creativity. There are plenty of games with porn that are fun and functional games without the porn. Just because a lot of people want something one way, doesn't mean someone making the game behind it has to acquiesce to those desires. Are you making this video game? No? Okay! You're entitled to your opinion, and if the guy making the game would like to potentially sacrifice losing players who only want a jerk off game then so be it.

Here are some personal gems of rpgs with a lot of porn content. Kamidori Alchemy Meister, Big Bang Age, Yumina the Ethereal, Dohna Dohna, and Evenicle.

Though Kamidori is honestly a large degree above those others I mentioned. Also just realized three of those games were made by the same company apparently... xD
So, you are comparing Heavy Hearts to games made by a presumably organized team of developers? There's only one guy behind Heavy Hearts (the gameplay stuff, not the art), and it would be a serious feat if they made an actual RPG game with lewd elements play properly and in a satisfying manner.
 

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I know this is somewhat of an older post, but I would like to point out, this kind of thought stifles creativity. There are plenty of games with porn that are fun and functional games without the porn. Just because a lot of people want something one way, doesn't mean someone making the game behind it has to acquiesce to those desires. Are you making this video game? No? Okay! You're entitled to your opinion, and if the guy making the game would like to potentially sacrifice losing players who only want a jerk off game then so be it.

Here are some personal gems of rpgs with a lot of porn content. Kamidori Alchemy Meister, Big Bang Age, Yumina the Ethereal, Dohna Dohna, and Evenicle.

Though Kamidori is honestly a large degree above those others I mentioned. Also just realized three of those games were made by the same company apparently... xD
If you want "creativity", why are you looking for it in porn games; even more so, why are you looking for creativity in the game part of porn game and not the porn part? I don't have any problem with the dev wanting to explore different ideas; if I don't like them, so be it! If, however, they care about other people's opinions, I've stated mine. They aren't required to follow my recommendation, and I expect that hands-on experience makes them much more qualified to make said decisions anyway.

Also, respectfully, you're conflating two completely different things: the games you mention are just bog standard rpgs, and nothing about the games themselves is groundbreaking or likely to be something they didn't just copy from another game. The reality is that solo devs don't have the resources, time or manpower to "break ground" in terms of creating some really novel gameplay features; even full development studios staffed by hundreds of people struggle to do that nowadays, hence why almost every game that comes out is a blatant clone of one of three games (typically Darks Souls,a.k.a. "Soulslikes", Overwatch, or Ark, which I'm sure will surprise many people, but think about just how many games are just skeletons with base-building/material gathering tacked on).

Believe it or not, we're closer in mind than you think: I also want creativity, but I want creativity that acknowledges both sides of "porn" and "game". I don't like games that are hollow shells besides being a porn CG gallery, but I also don't like games that are being referred to specifically as "h-games" by their own devs that feature next to zero porn content; it's dishonest at best, and outright deceptive at worst. If you want what I view as creativity in porn games, just look at Ahriman's early games; the dude fell off hard, but their idea of combat-bondage and gameplay incorporating the h-content directly has inspired a TON of copycats, and to this day is still a core feature of many h-games.
 

dontfindme222

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Having a lot of problems using the gallery. The game will crash on all but like 1 of the scenes when I replay them. And the ones that do work are pretty broken. Some scenes are kind of fixed when I don't open them in fullscreen. Still a lot that's broken though.
 
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My only criticism is the same I have for a lot of h-game devs who make this slip-up: keep the combat/mechanics simple. People play h-games for the hentai; if they wanted a great, mechnically deep game, they would play something else. Play to your strengths and keep the focus on the porn: the art is stellar, and the main character is gorgeous. For what it's worth, anyone with a brain (or who has ever worked a day in their life) knows that if you have a main job and this is a side project, updates are gonna be slow and sporadic; no one should be expected to work two full-times.

Good luck to you on continuing development of the game though, and I hope you can eventually get enough backing to transition into working on it more freely.
I know this is somewhat of an older post, but I would like to point out, this kind of thought stifles creativity. There are plenty of games with porn that are fun and functional games without the porn. Just because a lot of people want something one way, doesn't mean someone making the game behind it has to acquiesce to those desires. Are you making this video game? No? Okay! You're entitled to your opinion, and if the guy making the game would like to potentially sacrifice losing players who only want a jerk off game then so be it.

Here are some personal gems of rpgs with a lot of porn content. Kamidori Alchemy Meister, Big Bang Age, Yumina the Ethereal, Dohna Dohna, and Evenicle.

Though Kamidori is honestly a large degree above those others I mentioned. Also just realized three of those games were made by the same company apparently... xD
I agree with Dingle Donglestein. The only mechanics in H-games that really matter to me, are ones directly tied to the H-content - informing its context and creating a continuity, often with systems like corruption, status debuffs, restraint/capture systems and such.

If there are no such mechanics, then engaging with the gameplay and/or story is simply a chore to do between scenes. H-games is one area where a little goes a long way in that regard. The simpler, more straightforward, and the less time-consuming or potentially frustrating it is, the better.

I'll never be disappointed by "more H-content", cause that's what I'm in it for. I'm not going to come back and play the game again for any other reason, or recommend it on any other basis. Conversely - "too much" gameplay/story often feels like it dilutes that content, and often without doing anything to really enhance or elevate it. When the H-content in an H-game isn't the primary focus, you've just made a game with some adult themes. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, I just don't see the point personally.

Some of my favorite H-games I've played have had extremely basic, straight-forward game mechanics, and borderline ugly art (save for the characters), with most of their development focused on animations and artwork. I agree that games that amount to "interactive galleries" are hollow, but they at least respect where the players' priorities will lie - and it doesn't take much creative thought to come up with simple ways to enhance H-content through gameplay.

I agree it's a "slip-up", or a trap that (mainly western) devs seem to fall into. Crisis Point Extinction being one example that comes immediately to mind. A lot of work and time has gone into polishing and updating its visuals, UI and overall gameplay systems - and it's all great, but I feel it's diminished returns. Hypothetically speaking, I'd be a lot more excited to learn that in that time, the gameplay, its mechanics & features, UX and environmental art stayed the same - but 10 new enemies & their corresponding animations and scenes were added.
 
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Filipis

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It's been a while since the last update, no? Everything good on dev's side of things?
 

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Hypothetically speaking, I'd be a lot more excited to learn that in that time, the gameplay, its mechanics & features, UX and environmental art stayed the same - but 10 new enemies & their corresponding animations and scenes were added.
Really great comment and I completely agree with everything here, but this last point about Crisis Point really stuck out to me. I stopped following the dev updates because they just weren't working on anything that mattered to an H game anymore - it was all game mechanics and no H.

You're right, replace all the immense effort they've put in there with just some new enemies and animations to find, and the crowd would've gone wild! Bonus points whenever there are variations/combos to H scenes (outfits, pairings of enemies etc) which add replayability and a reason to explore.
 

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Filipis

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I agree with Dingle Donglestein. The only mechanics in H-games that really matter to me, are ones directly tied to the H-content - informing its context and creating a continuity, often with systems like corruption, status debuffs, restraint/capture systems and such.

If there are no such mechanics, then engaging with the gameplay and/or story is simply a chore to do between scenes. H-games is one area where a little goes a long way in that regard. The simpler, more straightforward, and the less time-consuming or potentially frustrating it is, the better.

I'll never be disappointed by "more H-content", cause that's what I'm in it for. I'm not going to come back and play the game again for any other reason, or recommend it on any other basis. Conversely - "too much" gameplay/story often feels like it dilutes that content, and often without doing anything to really enhance or elevate it. When the H-content in an H-game isn't the primary focus, you've just made a game with some adult themes. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, I just don't see the point personally.

Some of my favorite H-games I've played have had extremely basic, straight-forward game mechanics, and borderline ugly art (save for the characters), with most of their development focused on animations and artwork. I agree that games that amount to "interactive galleries" are hollow, but they at least respect where the players' priorities will lie - and it doesn't take much creative thought to come up with simple ways to enhance H-content through gameplay.

I agree it's a "slip-up", or a trap that (mainly western) devs seem to fall into. Crisis Point Extinction being one example that comes immediately to mind. A lot of work and time has gone into polishing and updating its visuals, UI and overall gameplay systems - and it's all great, but I feel it's diminished returns. Hypothetically speaking, I'd be a lot more excited to learn that in that time, the gameplay, its mechanics & features, UX and environmental art stayed the same - but 10 new enemies & their corresponding animations and scenes were added.
This.
The dev of Heavy Hearts seems to be focusing on the wrong things, even if they claim they are making an RPG game first - lewd game second.

Because that line of thinking, I believe, is already starting off on the wrong foot: as soon as you add hentai elements to your game, it becomes a hentai game - with RPG elements. You can't escape that categorization, so trying to "suppress" it by focusing on the RPG part will inevitably lead into poor reception.

A similar phenomenon happens with games that try to dabble with NTR in their otherwise vanilla stories - as soon as you add those elements into the mix, you've become an NTR game: and inevitably, you will attract the NTR crowd, while alienating the vanilla crowd.
 

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This.
The dev of Heavy Hearts seems to be focusing on the wrong things, even if they claim they are making an RPG game first - lewd game second.

Because that line of thinking, I believe, is already starting off on the wrong foot: as soon as you add hentai elements to your game, it becomes a hentai game - with RPG elements. You can't escape that categorization, so trying to "suppress" it by focusing on the RPG part will inevitably lead into poor reception.

A similar phenomenon happens with games that try to dabble with NTR in their otherwise vanilla stories - as soon as you add those elements into the mix, you've become an NTR game: and inevitably, you will attract the NTR crowd, while alienating the vanilla crowd.
Exactly, that's what some devs don't seem to understand! Regardless of how the devs feel about it, if a majority of people point out a certain aspect of your game being tied to something much larger it will become that very thing. RPG with hentai elements? Congratulations it is a hentai game because you have HENTAI in it. Added NTR to a vanilla love story style game? Congratulations it is an NTR game because you decided to go the route of adding NT-MOTHER-FUCKING-R (no matter how small) to a vanilla game that could have just done without any need for NTR to begin with. Its like they don't stop for 2 seconds to consider how their decisions will look like to the community itself, especially when tags are involved.
 
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Thoroughly enjoyed the playtime I was able to put into this game. The combat mechanics are fun, rewarding, and a refreshing break from turn-based RPGs or hack and slash titles.

The H-Content is good, the writing surrounding it is also good and enhances the immersion into the scenes with only a few errors here and there (thoughts and spoken words not separated by quotes, spelling or grammar mistakes). Not enough to spoil the mood or ruin the fun, by far. The art is good, and in one scene you can toggle a disguise for the main character. I was impressed by the quality of the art and animations during that, specifically, as each animations had to have a disguise version. It did keep toggling between them on it's own between dialogue boxes, not sure why.

I experienced slowdowns while running around the areas and exploring. Not a huge issue, most notable in the areas where stealth sections compounded that slowdown, turning them into a bit of a slog if I got caught. (Which was almost always due to the character leaving stealth from traveling diagonally along the edge of an area of tall grass, thus popping out of stealth for a split second while in detection range.)

The only actual issue I had was a crash after a boss fight (Arcane Golem), which then made it impossible to load the save. The boss got to a third phase, unleashed it's major attack and one-shot me. The game crashed during the transition to the post-defeat screen.

I've seen mention of this bug in prior posts and it's unfortunately still a thing. As I only had the one save, I'd have to start over entirely. Recommend saving to multiple slots as you go to help circumvent this issue and lose less progress, but this is absolutely a critical issue as far as bug-squashing goes. It's made worse by the inability to skip through cut scenes, as far as I'm aware.

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This.
The dev of Heavy Hearts seems to be focusing on the wrong things, even if they claim they are making an RPG game first - lewd game second.

Because that line of thinking, I believe, is already starting off on the wrong foot: as soon as you add hentai elements to your game, it becomes a hentai game - with RPG elements. You can't escape that categorization, so trying to "suppress" it by focusing on the RPG part will inevitably lead into poor reception.

A similar phenomenon happens with games that try to dabble with NTR in their otherwise vanilla stories - as soon as you add those elements into the mix, you've become an NTR game: and inevitably, you will attract the NTR crowd, while alienating the vanilla crowd.
Exactly, that's what some devs don't seem to understand! Regardless of how the devs feel about it, if a majority of people point out a certain aspect of your game being tied to something much larger it will become that very thing. RPG with hentai elements? Congratulations it is a hentai game because you have HENTAI in it. Added NTR to a vanilla love story style game? Congratulations it is an NTR game because you decided to go the route of adding NT-MOTHER-FUCKING-R (no matter how small) to a vanilla game that could have just done without any need for NTR to begin with. Its like they don't stop for 2 seconds to consider how their decisions will look like to the community itself, especially when tags are involved.
Absolutely hear what you're both saying, and though I disagree on a few fronts the feedback you're giving is completely valid. A game that includes hentai elements is a hentai game. A game that has the NTR tag certainly isn't vanilla.

I'm just not sure what purpose that feedback serves. It's a rather sweeping set of statements, and ones I'll take at face value and accept as true for the majority of users here.

They aren't true for me though.
For me, focusing on one element isn't suppressing another. A game can be an RPG with Hentai elements, and that's honestly what I prefer. I want a game to play first and foremost, and H-Game forums like this are about the only place I can find projects or games that don't shy away from the grittier, realistic portions of adult life in a fantasy world. Games are an interactive story above anything else. Ones like this that have enjoyable battle mechanics are a rarity. Games that have a story that lends weight to the interactions between characters with decent writing are few and far between as well.

Games that are essentially a glorified gallery where the gameplay itself is an afterthought? A dime a dozen. I'm honestly really tired of those. The lewds hardly mean anything in context of the world or story.

I'm sure game developers usually consider whether or not certain content is valuable to the story they're trying to tell. It's not like someone accidentally writes dialogue and codes scenes in with a slip of the fingers. It takes work and a dev will have decided it's worth including. NTR Legend is a NTR game. This is a game with some (pretty light) NTR elements. I just can't really say the two are the same.

Those elements are going to put people off, and that's fine. What matters is that a developer is creating something they enjoy, are passionate about, and that others can enjoy that experience.
 

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Thoroughly enjoyed the playtime I was able to put into this game. The combat mechanics are fun, rewarding, and a refreshing break from turn-based RPGs or hack and slash titles.

The H-Content is good, the writing surrounding it is also good and enhances the immersion into the scenes with only a few errors here and there (thoughts and spoken words not separated by quotes, spelling or grammar mistakes). Not enough to spoil the mood or ruin the fun, by far. The art is good, and in one scene you can toggle a disguise for the main character. I was impressed by the quality of the art and animations during that, specifically, as each animations had to have a disguise version. It did keep toggling between them on it's own between dialogue boxes, not sure why.

I experienced slowdowns while running around the areas and exploring. Not a huge issue, most notable in the areas where stealth sections compounded that slowdown, turning them into a bit of a slog if I got caught. (Which was almost always due to the character leaving stealth from traveling diagonally along the edge of an area of tall grass, thus popping out of stealth for a split second while in detection range.)

The only actual issue I had was a crash after a boss fight (Arcane Golem), which then made it impossible to load the save. The boss got to a third phase, unleashed it's major attack and one-shot me. The game crashed during the transition to the post-defeat screen.

I've seen mention of this bug in prior posts and it's unfortunately still a thing. As I only had the one save, I'd have to start over entirely. Recommend saving to multiple slots as you go to help circumvent this issue and lose less progress, but this is absolutely a critical issue as far as bug-squashing goes. It's made worse by the inability to skip through cut scenes, as far as I'm aware.

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Absolutely hear what you're both saying, and though I disagree on a few fronts the feedback you're giving is completely valid. A game that includes hentai elements is a hentai game. A game that has the NTR tag certainly isn't vanilla.

I'm just not sure what purpose that feedback serves. It's a rather sweeping set of statements, and ones I'll take at face value and accept as true for the majority of users here.

They aren't true for me though.
For me, focusing on one element isn't suppressing another. A game can be an RPG with Hentai elements, and that's honestly what I prefer. I want a game to play first and foremost, and H-Game forums like this are about the only place I can find projects or games that don't shy away from the grittier, realistic portions of adult life in a fantasy world. Games are an interactive story above anything else. Ones like this that have enjoyable battle mechanics are a rarity. Games that have a story that lends weight to the interactions between characters with decent writing are few and far between as well.

Games that are essentially a glorified gallery where the gameplay itself is an afterthought? A dime a dozen. I'm honestly really tired of those. The lewds hardly mean anything in context of the world or story.

I'm sure game developers usually consider whether or not certain content is valuable to the story they're trying to tell. It's not like someone accidentally writes dialogue and codes scenes in with a slip of the fingers. It takes work and a dev will have decided it's worth including. NTR Legend is a NTR game. This is a game with some (pretty light) NTR elements. I just can't really say the two are the same.

Those elements are going to put people off, and that's fine. What matters is that a developer is creating something they enjoy, are passionate about, and that others can enjoy that experience.
Can't say you are completely wrong either: this is an Hentai RPG game, so of couse, all elements must be "up to snuff". And the dev is keen on improving the RPG elements, which I can only applaud.

Just don't forget this: the game is built on an "older" engine that was abandoned, and now the dev has to scramble to fix any bugs completely on their own. That's why the game is plagued by critical save issues to this day.
 
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Because that line of thinking, I believe, is already starting off on the wrong foot: as soon as you add hentai elements to your game, it becomes a hentai game - with RPG elements. You can't escape that categorization, so trying to "suppress" it by focusing on the RPG part will inevitably lead into poor reception.
That's just the immaturity of gamers. In the more developed medium of film, and the vastly more developed medium of literature, it's known that sex scenes don't instantly transform a work into porn.

It took a while for movies to ditch the Hays code and come around, and it's clear that games have made progress. From a game being removed from stores for having clothed DUMMIED-OUT sex, to a major mainstream game showing a girl take it doggy with her tits out. Conservatism always fails, sooner or later.
 
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